Vosizneias.
He writes: "Jews who follow Toras Moshe MiSinai are against the state of Israel "
I got news for you: I follow "Toras Moshe MiSinai" and am 100% totally for the State of Israel, as every thinking frum Jew should be.
Nebach nebach 25 young Jewish lives cut short.
Off course there is no victory when Jews die and there is no victory when so many young Arab children are being killed. Even if Hamas is using them as human shields still killing women and children fuels anti semitism as never before.
Israel,with this Gaza operation is putting the entire global Jewish population in danger. Arabs worldwide are furious, angry in a rage at Jews all over the world.
Observant Jews must find a way letting the world know what Israel does is not the view of worldwide Jewry.The state of Israel does not represent all Jews.Jews who follow Toras Moshe MiSinai are against the state of Israel because Jews are not allowed to have their own Medina before the coming of Moshiach .
At the same time it must be said that what a very tiny minority of Jews who call themselves Neturei Karta do hugging and kissing with Arabs is disgusting and despicable
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He's a koifer. G-D wanted the state , that's why it's here and it will be"H get through this as it did before. There are bumps along the road, Yisrael vam Yisrael chai. The state of Israel represents all Jews wether this rotten erev rav believes it or not.This dried piece of charah forgets that a holocaust occurred even before the State. How does this lowlife explain that?
This hater of Eres Israel should his his Bible. Jews were hated since Abraham and thru the ages. He hates the Holy Land , hence he can't think straight. A Jew should speak like this during this period of mourning when the Spies were conspiring just about now to bring back their evil report in 10 days. He's a grandson of them. You should watch your tongue, if you know what I mean, and the bugs are coming too.
Jerk commentator on VIN___, the second your mother squeezed your misery out into this world, the Jew haters hated yur guts. Its got nothing to do with Israel. Even if you sit your basement apt and do nothing they'll still hate you. Why r u on the 'net when ur rabbis don't allow it. Why do u defy them on that and yet believe their evil propaganda about Israel. .
Rosho, lomo sakeh reiechu now that we're in a sakono.
Why are you attacking yeshivishe when it is clear that whoever wrote that comment is a blithering idiot, no matter what his affiliation?
For your information, IDF generals went to Rav Schach one night to hear his opinion and he told them there is a chiyuv to destroy missile batteries if they know where they are. Although he advised against airstrikes on Saddam since the location of the Scud launchers was not known and there was high probability that the planes would not make the long round trip to Iraq without being intercepted.
It would help if you can provide evidence of such a meeting . It's highly doubtful that military generals would consult a religious cleric of any denomination as pertains to military decisions in any country.
And JFK used to secretly visit the Rebbe a"h for advice on the cold war.
There is a sucker born every minute. Bliss Ayin Harah, there is a very high birth rate amongst the heimesheh oilam and we seem to be breeding suckers by the boatload.
you can't really blame these ignorant savage brainwashed zombies,you have to blame their godfather who authored the evil and disgusting VAYOEL MOISHE,which has become the bible for all the Israel hating swine all over the world.
CHAIM
The meeting between Rav Schach & generals was reported in the early '90s by the secular press in Israel who said that the generals came to him at 3 am because they did not want to publicize it.
Anyone who is smart would at least want to hear what a very big pikayech has to say. It doesn't hurt to listen & maybe they can learn a thing or two that they hadn't thought of themselves.
I happen to have heard about the articles one day back then & then that same night I went to be menachem avel a rosh kollel who was sitting shiva in his father's house on the East Side. Present at the shiva house were R' Malkiel Kotler & another rosh yeshiva who I overheard discussing the same report.
I don't believe the story. At most, they came for a blessing but not advice how to conduct a military campaign. These stories are found in Hebrew book stores' hagiographic biographies.
At 3:00 am? So how did this become publicized? Maybe the ever present askonim made up the whole story, and THAT sounds believable.
Non Sucker Pikayech,
When an announcement or bulletin comes out of the rabbis' courts it is received like this;
If the oylam likes it then it was the rabbi himself who said it, if they don't then it's the askans who misinterpreted the rabbi.It's ruling by confusion.
If the story sounds good it's the rabbi. if not it's the askans.
It is documented that Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, who is not even Jewish, used to pose medical pikuach nefesh shaylos to R' Moshe Feinstein ztl.
to 1;47
You're misrepresenting the facts. It was R' Moshe, because of certain medical and pikuach nefesh issues CONTACTED Dr. Koop, not the other way around.
In any case, even you would agree that Dr. Koop wouldn't come to R' Moshe's house at 3:00 am and seek advice about a medical procedure.
From Jewish Virtual Library / Jewish Medical Ethics
Part and excerpt of article to prove who contacted whom.
____________On October 6, Rav Feinstein ASKED ME to call Dr. Koop and instruct him to go ahead with the surgery. On Tuesday, October 11, the surgery was completed. Baby B successfully survived the surgery. Baby A had to be sacrificed. The following is a summation of Rav Moshe's reasoning for approving the surgery. A second approach that leads to the same conclusion, but based upon a different halachic principle, is also here recorded since it was presented in great detail during the discussions that led to the final permissive ruling____________.
Where does it state in JVL that Dr. Koop had not contacted R' Moshe before he was called back with instructions from R' Moshe?
to telephone tag,
When did you stop beating your wife?
How could Noach differentiate among animals if he was blind?
When was Hershy syrup banned from being used as glue?
What were you doing on Bourbon St. brothel French Quarter last night, Mr. Telephone tag?
What a convoluted gemorrah grubber finger idiotic question. Go look it up .
You're a good reason why people are turned off by frummies, because you want to rewrite and revise history.
This is from Jewish Law site which has the same article as the previous poster posted.
This was a case of twins born to Torah observing couple in Lakewood. Obviously, staff and Dr. Koop the surgeon were in cantact with family and their rabbinic advisors. To say that Rav Moshe intiated contact is really not true. Actually, the nursing and other medical staff each consulted with their rabbi, priest or minister. The family , it seems, was in touch with R' Tendler and R' Moshe also.
It's misleading to claim that out of the blue Rabbi Moshe was called by Dr. Koop for some difficult medical question thereby trying to prove somehow that Rav Moshe was a medical expert. It's hard to mislead people when we can check almost everything today. You wrote something out of context to mislead readers. The excerpt reads as follows,
"It was clear to all concerned that this was a major ethical issue that had ramifications for the abortion debate, and for the ethics of neonate salvage. The Chief Surgeon, a deeply religious man, was fully aware of the ethical import of any decision in this case. Dr. Koop referred the case to the courts so as not to have any accusation of premeditated murder leveled against him. In addition, nurses and doctors at Children's Hospital consulted with their religious guides, and many reported back that they would not be able to participate in the surgery. "
To 4:40
On October 6, 1977, Rav Moshe Feinstein asked his son-in-law Rabbi Moshe D. Tendler to call the surgeon in charge of the case, Dr. C. Everett Koop, and instruct him to proceed with the surgery - in other words, to end the life of Baby A in a procedure that might save the life of Baby B.
Dr. Koop did not call R' Moshe
You blame Obama for the FAA decision to prevent American carriers from flying to Ben Gurion and you think VIN posters are out of their minds???
All the rebbes and rabbonim from before ww2,were unanimous that its against the Torah to have a Medina before moshiach, there wasnt anyone serious rav that held otherwise, the holy rebbe the vayoel Moshe zye stood firm that nothing changed just because sitna natzach, why hashem gave this nisayon to kllal yisroel is also very clearly explained in the holy sefer vayoel Moshe, please refrain from blasphemy and guard your tounge from saying or writing things you dont really know enough about, I happen to be no satmar, but bh came to realize that the vayoel Moshe is toras emes, tora msinai.
To 8:23
I absolutely blame Obama
read this, you shmuck
Bloomberg Flies El Al To Israel To Prove It’s Safe, Says Flight Restrictions Hand Hamas Undeserved Victory -
And as far as your comment:
"VIN posters are out of their minds???"
I don't think they are out of their minds, that's my point....Frum jews think like that Maven guy, and that's what so dangerous...
we have to take back our religion from these radical fanatics.
to Sveetlana
the sefer Vayoel Moshe is an inaccurate Sefer and full of hate against the Jewish people.. the Rebbe was saved by the Zionists and had no hakoras hatoiv ...
he was also thrown out of his city in Szeget after his father died .... he also gave the wrong advice to people holding visas to the then Palestine and assured them that G-D will protect them in Hungary, they subsequently were murdered by the Nazis
Bist takeh gantz git meshiga.
You laugh at people who buy into everything some third rate fur hat wearing mental midget proclaims as the new will of Gd but you yourself believe every piece of nonsense coming out of the orifices of Limbaugh Hannity and Levin.
No name needs to get a clue.
Barack Hussein Osama appoints virtually all senior Federal officials. They take orders from him and if they do something he doesn't like there will be hell to pay.
I'm not saying I agree with all of his philosophies but the Satmar Rov did have a point that Kasztner was a self-serving Nazi collaborating Kapo.
It was a mistake to tell people to remain in Hungary. When there is a time of hester ponim no one can know what will happen, where it will be safe. That's why the dayan in Brisk said at the beginning of the war he cannot posken whether it is safer to stay on the Nazi side or flee to Stalin's side.
Svetlana,
First, it's not true that all rebbes were against the medinah. For example, Rabbis Mohiliver, Reinis, Kook, Maimon-Fishman, Teichtal, Soloveitchik and many others were FOR it.
Second, granted that most rebbes who were popularized were against it, it proves nothing. The great 'Anoshim", aka tzaddiim the meraglim, who were handpicked by Moshe Rabbeinu himself overwhelmingly opposed Eretz Yisroel and they were WRONG...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're impressed with majorities. So that we are the smallest of nations means that we have to drop our religioin and join the rest of the billions who aren't Jewish? Your argument is old, stale and reeks of rotten fish....
Only in a court room do we rule like a majority of the jury because we have no choice. Also in chazal we generally rule on the side of the chachomim, yet even here we rule many times like the daas yochid. In short, a majority doesn't necessarily prove a thing.
I have Al Hageula in my home and years ago I wanted to see what he had to say. His analysis of Zionists in the Holocaust and especially his "facts" about the '67 War, an event that many of us witnessed in our lifetime , are pure deluxe poppycock misrepresentations, and sheker. I'll be nice and only say that he was psychologically obsessed with Zionists and I'll refrain from using a word which would describe him more to the point. For a man who made himself an annual seudas hodua because he was saved, and saved by Zionists, after millions were butchered including his own family shows a mental issue to say the least.He left a dismal record of being the head of his group who did some grievous things against other rabbonim and Jews. Don't get me started !!!
Hashem sounded the shofar in the 1860s for Jews to start thinking about returning to EY. The nations of the world agreed. This was an unheard of event in 2 thousand years. The nisoyon was for your ilk to either recognize it or reject it. You failed...
Not that it matters anymore. The great miracle of the State of Israel, Medinat Yisrael is here. Hodu Lashem Ki Tov...!!!!!
Watch you don't gurgle and fall into apoplectic fits on your jealous hate filled bacteria-laden spittle.. Take a vitamin...
I pray that your eyed will be opened soon....Omar Rav Binyomin, " Hakol bechezkas soomin ahd sh' Hakodosh Boruch Hoo meir es eyneyhem..
the Derby, the Zionist
Hey Brisker, You've said the same BS here about Kastner before on another thread. Aren't you supposed to be learning be'hasmodo now instead of surfing the Internet in your Brisker "gatches" and lying about Kastner?
How mich $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ do you and Lakewood getting from Satmer?
the Derby
Addendum to Svetlana the courtesan ( kurva, beloshen nekia):
Peddle yourself in the Amsterdam Red Light District.. It's legal and you'll be inoculated against disease..
And yes, you may fly Malaysian ..
to gantz git meshige,
Is it true you get funding and programs from your lover Barak?
Whay aren't you working, Mr. Programs chapper.
Svetlan: You guard your tongue and stop your blasphemy against Israel. This is akin to chas veshalom saying it against G-D. You're an apikoros. Shut your mouth.
Yehushua and Kalev speaking as one***********************
To 10:41
Count us in also in the minority, rather to be in a majority that caused a Bechiya Ladorot for thousands of years.
Our majority partners caused a majority to bring 2 Tisha Bavs. Oy Ve-avoy! Oy , the majority . Oy, the majority.
You guys a laugh riot. The prime minister of Turkey refuses to talk to Obama because Obama is biased in favor of Israel. Obama has requested larger annual aid packages for Israel than any president before him. He used the US veto power in the UN Security Council to prevent UN recognition of a Palestinian state for the Arabs who started calling themselves Palestinian fifty years ago. He has requested and secured hundreds of millions of dollars from Congress to build and expand the Iron Dome program. When he spoke in Cairo he told the Arabs 'kerochel bitchoh haktanna' that improved relations between America and the Arab/Muslim world would not come at the expense of the relationship between the US and Israel.
If Barak Obama (who I disagree with on just about every domestic issue and consider to be in competition with GW Bush and Jimmy Carter for worst presidency in US history) were to put on an IDF uniform, personally kill the entire Hamas leadership and wipe out every man over the age of 18 in the entire Gaza Strip, you clowns would figure out some way of spinning his actions as anti Israel.
Time to turn off Fox News and WABC radio and start thinking for yourselves.
No and I run my own business and have never taken one penny in program money.
Care to discuss facts instead of tossing out rediculous barbs at anyone who disagrees with you?
(Don't worry, I don't actually expect to offer an intelligent response. Stick to being a good little sock puppet for Limbaugh Hannity and Levin. )
Time to turn off Fox News and WABC radio and start thinking for yourselves.
Turkish PM is a bad proof to your argument. Edrogen yimach shemo is a stupid man. U can't prove anthing from him . Vetoes at UN were done by every prez, so nothing new here. . What he said in Cairo was said by every other American prez. Iron Dome was in place before Obama.
Congress the millions w/o Obama and would've given regardless of who is prez.
You'd want us to listen to that Jewish dyke Maddow , the contemptible Mathews and AlJazeerah. I'll take Fox.
Ask the Israeli leadership privately about Obama and how tried to pressure them, especially when Hillbilly was the Sec. Stae and with what chutzpah she spoke to Netanyahu.
Oh, and how Obama treated Netanyahu and his staff in the Oval Office 4 years ago. Told them to come up with a plan and to call him when they're ready, and then walked out on them to eat popcorn and watch golf in the East Room while embarrasing a leader of a sovereign state and treating him like a spoiled schoolboy.
Taking money and advice from the New Israel Fund and the other anti-Israel organizations. Sening Indyk, the anti-Zionist to mediate, keeping Emmanuel and Axelrod , self -despising Yids as advisors.
Obama spent his whole life associating with radical Arab & Black anti-Semites. He attended a madrassah Muslim terrorist breeding ground as a child. He is the perfect sleeper cell, destroying the US economy without firing a single bullet or ramming a single airplane into a skyscraper.
To No Name
So we should turn off Fox and ABC, and start listening to who?
Reuters? The York Times? CNN? CBS,
You blithering idiot!
I'm sure you have spoken to the Israeli leadership privately.
Time to turn off Fox News and WABC radio and start thinking for yourselves.
The market is up, unemployment is down, inflation is almost none existent and gasoline is almost 20% lower than it was when he took over.
Sure sounds like he destroyed the US economy.
Time to turn off Fox News and WABC radio and start thinking for yourselves.
Start doing your own thinking. Read everything you can from all sides and figure it out.
Typical frum blogger. You cannot debate using facts and logic so you resort to angry insults.
You're beginning to make the fools on VIN look educated.
Time to turn off Fox News and WABC radio and start thinking for yourselves.
To No Name Needed,
Could you as a small favor to us also repeat and repeat, time to turn off SNBC and CNN & start thinking for yourselves?
Your economic stats are propaganda. Unemployment is at an unacceptable level, Obama's business regs are literally strangling small business which destroy myriads of employees, it's almost impossible for anybody especially a college grad to find employment other than being a janitor,inflation is not yet going thru the roof because people have no money to spend so producers can't cut off their noses and raise prices, housing prices are out of control, agricultural producers are literally buried under tons of regs, Obamacare is destroying and hurting people with other insurances and I know this for a fact, it's a personal story. Not to mention it's a medical mess and danger, just ask doctors, The economy is very stagnant contrary to your propaganda. His anti- American anti-free free-enterprise pro-food stamp, pro take everything from the rich, pro-Communist agend which he learned as community organizer is destroying our country. His power anti- Constitution grabs, a document which he despises is destroying this once great country,
No, I haven't spoken to Israeli leadership privately, but since I stopped watching CNN and MSNBC and ALJazeerah, I started thinking for myself just as you ordered and, I figured it out.
Jon Liebowitz ( Stewart) Bill Maher,Mathews Dyke Maddow, Blitzkrieg Blitzer . Stenopplopoplopolis,what a bunch.
Final Question******** Where was Obama born?
FRom Counter Punch****************
" The surveys show that people are finally beginning to realize that Obama has been an unmitigated disaster and that the propaganda about economic recovery is just meaningless hype. The only jobs being created under Obama are low-paying service sector positions that don’t pay enough to meet the rent.
Don’t kid yourself, it’s nearly as bad for college grads. The only difference is that after you’ve wracked up $40,000 or $50,000 in student loans, you can proudly display your sheepskin on the wall in your Dad’s attic where you spend your days combing the internet for jobs that no longer exist in the good old USA.
And another thing: The only reason unemployment has gone down at all is because so many people have stopped looking for work altogether and fallen off the radar. If the BLS counted these lost souls, we’d be looking at 11.2% unemployment instead of the bogus 7.4 percent figure. But who cares what the numbers are at this point. What matters is that the economy stinks, and the smiling idiot at the top deserves a lot of the credit for that.
Face it, Obama has been a disaster. Discretionary federal spending is lower than it’s been in a half-century, while the budget deficits are falling faster than anytime since WW2. What does that mean? It means Obama is sucking the stimulus out of the economy to put more pressure on wages and to reduce working people to grinding third-world poverty. It’s a stealth version of starve the beast, and it’s working like a charm. The middle class is taking it in the stern-sheets while Obama’s moneybags buddies laugh all the way to the bank."
Yes, including Hillbilly and how poor she was when left the White HOuse. Awww. Hillbilly, Obama , Reid , Pelosi have singlehandedly destroyed our once great country.
Where was Obama born ?
Even from the leftie Washington Post ******************
"The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of a new study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.
Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011."
Where was Obama born?
From an African-American blogster, Kevin Jackson , the Blacksphere************
The Washington Times reports:
“Under Reagan, adult black unemployment fell by 20 percent, but under Mr. Obama, it has increased by 42 percent. Black teenage unemployment fell by 16 percent under Reagan, but has risen by 56 percent under Mr. Obama. The increase in unemployment rates has been far worse for blacks under Mr. Obama than for whites and Hispanics. Inflation-adjusted real incomes are slightly higher for Hispanics and whites than they were in 2008, but are lower for blacks. The labor force participation rate has fallen for all groups, but remains far lower for blacks than for whites and Hispanics.”
How in the Beelzebub could you have results like this, and still be held in high esteem without some sort of satanic intervention.
Liberal blacks appear unconcerned about the devastation to the black community by Obama and the Left. It should be no surprise that while the Congressional Black Caucus of satanic worshipers met in Chicago, 9 black people were shot; by other black people.
Is Obama a leader? Certainly. And like the Pied Piper, Obama is leading black people to the gates of Hell. The good news is that most black Liberals don’t have to go far. They are already there. Thanks to Saul Alinsky…and Liberalism.
Where was Obama born? Usurper of the Constitution. Let's see his GENUINE birth certificate.
You can't be serious about your unemployment statement. You have no idea about what's going on in this country with employment and creation of business. Mr. No Name
Plus he's deliberately allowing millions of illegal immigrants to destroy the Republican Party and destroy the white and religious people of the USA. He's the most dangerous president since Jimmy Carter.
I generally do not like the Yated newspaper but I assume what they reported this past week is factually correct.
Do you know how Reuters is the most anti-Semitic and anti-American of all the news wires?
Hundreds of years ago, the rov in Frankfurt, Germany, was Rav Yehoshafat. That was his family name. He had a brother who became a meshumod, changed his name to Reuter, moved to England and started the Reuters company. I read somewhere else that they originally used carrier pigeons to transmit information.
Interesting information about the origin Reuters and they've shown false photos in past Israeli -Arab skirmishes to show how a baby died by Israeli fire and later had to apologize for using a stock photo.
you mention 4 accusations in your comments, each and every one is not true, and I am dan lkaf zechus, that you got these lies from the zionist propaganda. 1) that the holy sefer vyoel Moshe is full of inacuracies, thats not true, it has withstood the test of time, not only by the fact that no legitemate sefer contradictated his findings, on the contrary quite a few sefarim broadened and verified his beirur, 2) he was not thrown out of siget, quite the opposite,being that he already had many chassidim (at the ripe age of 17), he felt that for his brother the holy atzei Chaim it would be better not to live in thd same city,
anony 4;19
The Koran also withstood the test of time, so what does it mean.
So did the avodah zara statues in Rome, Greece , Buddah, slavery in Africa,etc.
to No Name,
I'm a 'typical frum blogger' and I can tell you that Obamacare has hurt so many people and is a criminal fraud perpetrated on the American people, and shoved down our throats without any debate allowed by the Communist dictator Barak Hussein.. If that sounds foolish then there's nothing to argue .
3) its a documented fact, that the zionists wanted Jews to be killed in ww2, see the actual copies of the telegrams they sent rabbi m b weissmandl, and I quote "rak bdam thiye lanu haaretz", the reason the holy vyoel Moshe was also in that transport is known, and not because if their goodness, its not in this forum to discuss this, 4) the rebbe said that he doesnt really know what to advise people to do, shev veal taaseh, he did so himself staying put, untill hashem with his great rachmunos on him and the shearis hapleita, opened a way of hatzolah through a back door against the will of the zionists, thereby leaving this giant and holy tzaddik to continue to spread Toras emes tora mesinai,
If you disparage the secular Messiah Obama you will get on the bad list of the unemployed, self-hating Jewish blogger who sits around all day in his underwear in Minnesota.
Which has what to do with frum bloggers' inability to appreciate a nuanced view of Obama?
He isn't the best president I've seen in my lifetime and not the worst. His policies on Israel are continuations ofthe Bush and Clinton administration's policies. He doesn't trust Bibi? Neither do the vast majority of Israelis. He doesn't follow the Likud line on the shtachim? Neither do most Israelis.
The affordable care act stinks but the Republicans have yet to offer an alternative (other than doing nothing about 50+ million Americans who use emergency rooms as primary care and drive up the cost of health care for all of us.)
Debating public policy is great. Nonsense like claiming Obama is a Kenyan Muslim adds nothing of value to the conversation and I find distressing how naive and gullible so many frum people can be.
Same type of uneducated unsophisticated thinking that has frum kids getting sick instead of getting inoculated.
I happen to agree with most of what this blogger writes but he (she?) loses all credibility when s/he starts his/her Obama is a Jew hating Israel hating Muslim Communist out to destroy America. It sounds childish and shrill and is an embarrassment when it comes from people who should know how to think for themselves. Instead, the frum blogs reek of nonsense and hate no better than the garbage on the BigFailure.
And you comment is as reasonable as any of the crap the Big Failure posts on his blob.
He can't accept that any frum person ever did anything right and you feel the same way about Obama.
Two sides of the same coin, or as we say back home, oto zug michnasayim.
Nahrishkeit. I know the employment situation has improved because I am in a very high turn over industry and finding workers has gotten harder and more expensive over the last 18 - 24 months.
No Name,
There is Constitution in this country which specifies 2 conditions for eligibility for the presidency.. There is also a legimitate question of his country of birth. You can say it's childish, unsophisticated, uneducated or whatever else you want.
Unless he produces the ORIGINAL and TRUTHFUL birth certificate which he hasn't done, he will always be suspect. Let's just throw our Constitution in the garbage and call anybody who wants our country to run by its rules childish.
Where was Obama born?
quite the opposite, every word in the holy sefarim vayoel Moshe, Al hageulah have been proven correct halachakly haskafaly and factually, many in fact most secular zionists have thrown out herzels dream, and call it more of a nightmare, sinas yisroel is at such a high point, almost as never before, in large part because of the zionist instigations, we are in golus, therefore we should be nichna to the country we live in,thank hkbh we can enjoy many rights and priviliges to be mekayem mitzvas hashem, and wait patiently for our redemption Al idey moshiach bb amen.
Theodore Herzl protests defamation by revisionists:::::
5:5,
You're throwing little pieces out of context. You need to read the entire letter to him as I've done. Rabbi Weissmandel's book as you should also know was edited and written after his petirah, by his family and fanatical followers. He himself didn't have complete knowledge of what was going on. His cousin who worked with him, Gisi Fleischmann was also a Zionist and worked with Zionist oragnizations. There isn't a shred of proof of what you claim and it's loshon hara and fiction. Not one single document ever showed what you write about the Zionists.
Rabbi Weissmandel also claims that he received a letter from a Zionist operative in Switzerland making kight of the Slovakian Jewry plight. That supposed letter has never been found even in Weissmandel's book which has lots of documents. He himself writes that this was his recollection but no corroboration was ever found to this day.
If you think that by using foul language you win, then be it so, I will not engage in such depravity.
The LEFTIST secular Zionists and you guys call it a nightmare, not the majority of frum and clear thinking secular. Sinas Yisroel was higher BEFORE the medina because , as you probably don't know, there was a holocaust perpetrated by all East European people in addition to the Germans. The west was guilty of not helping Jews also. I don't know what planet you're on.
Zionists didn't instigate anything, they're there because of ratzon Hashem.
So tell us how Romanian Jews instigated in WW2. They were all nichne. Nichne in every country and what happened? Nichne and the pogroms raged all over the Pale of Settlements while being nichne. Be nichne in Monroe and don't threaten to annex. You don't have to be Freud to see that you're a hopeless cultist and kool aid drinker.
if you want to know the truth (I believe you dont), the holocaust in large part came about because of the zionists instigations against the European governments, spreading lies, provoking sinas yisroel, for instance, that Jews arent true patriotic citizens if the countries they live in, when in fact the navi said to klal yisroel "dirshu bishlom hoir", also they organized boycotts in many town villages etc. provokings instigating bringing to the forefront "halacha beyedia sheisav sone lyakov, in essence the zionist vision is opposite the daas Torah, and also not feasable, as since the Medina was established there is more sinas yisriel then ever before, just look & listen to the wordls reaction to the current situation, you dont need more proof then that, hashem yerachem Al amoy veal artzo. In conclusion zionizm is against the tora, and has brought a calamity on klal yisroel.
anonym 5;05,
Your defamation of Zionists as collaborators sounds very much like the Spies when they said ERETZ OCHELET YOSHVEHA, there's death there. Now you're repeating the same odious lie. Zionists put you rebbe on a life train and you turn around and spit in their faces.You're spitting on the graves of the kedoshim by calling Israel a nightmare. They would've sped there if they could, but it was too late. Terrible Spies loshon hara to speak during this period of the three weeks. Shame on you.
Zionists worked WITh governments and so many of the non-Jewish people helped them to realize their dream.
No point in debating. You're a brainwashed innocent man who unfortunately believes lies. Worse, you repeat the lies of anti-Semites on the Web almost word for word. It's a tragedy when Jewish people like you spread hatred of Jews by using the Arab and Jew hater lies. You have no self respect. ZIONISTS SAVED YOUR REBBE. The State of Israel CHAI VEKAYAM.
I really wonder, just because I disagree with you, you use such ugly language? Is this all you have to answer? (besides you can see from my name that I was not brought up Satmar, just by the sake if g-d, I was blessed to see the real truth, may hashem open your closed mind, and help you see the true light of hasem.
It doesn't matter if you're Satmar, it's not who you are but what you believe.
Sorry, but the ugly language about Zionism is all yours. I hope you can sleep well after posting in public ,slander and bitternes against the Jewish state.
But the fact is, at the time of isreals creation there were hundreds of thousands believers in the zionist dream, and maybe 100 Satmar, today very very few believe in herzels dream, rather feel its abad nightmare, whereas those that agree that the vyoel Moshe was right count in the millions, see what many in the agudah say nowdays, the Satmar rav was right, and we were wrong.
Ha ! Millions have immigrated and more and more continue to make Aliya from every corner of the earth as our Prophets foretold even during the last week alone. No, it's not a nightmare but a beautiful dream in front of our eyes. Let's sing.. Good Night and try to sleep well.
To the anti-Zionist Anonymous:
Even if every single friggin' thing you say about the past is true, can you get over it already? Can you forgive the dead people and live in the present for just ONE WEEK? Read my lips..... ISRAEL IS A R-_E-_A-_L- I_-T_Y.. !!! The Ribbono shel Olam wants it and cares for it.... Your SHITta is FALSE.... False... Do want it to chas veshalom dis-------- I don't even want to finish the word. Now is not the time to lend Peh Lasatan.... What part of that don't you understand... AL TIFTACH PEH...
In this moment of extreme sakana , can you stop bellyaching and badmouthing Jews long dead and instead of rehashing the same horse manure over and over and over and over, can you urge for tfillos instead? Jewish sons in bloom of life being ripped away, parents sitting shiva, soldiers wounded, rockets even in Bnei Brak , indiscriminate rockets on chiloni and Chareidi alike, Jewish blood being spilled and all you do is repeat the same frog's croaking wind-passing..?... For how long... ?
Don't you have Jewish heart? You talk like the other anti-Semites who blab about Israel's questionable claim to its existence, stealing land, ethnic cleansing, not being subservient, blah , blah , blah , freakin' blah blah.
STOP.. !!! Talk about how we should come together and daven, how can we lend chizuk to acheinu bnei yisroel, that's what you should talk about. But NO... !! Zionists, Zionists, Zionists, Zionists, Zionists, Zionists, Zionists, Zionists , Zionists,Zionists, Zionists, ,... You stuttering perseverating shuckling Malaga besodden puppet. You make me sick...
the Derby,
These deranged lunatics pray for it demise. It doesn't get sicker and more evil than that. They can't be Jews.
I will delete any anti -Israel comment from now on, on this article...
Its the 3 weeks, for a Frum Jew to bad mouth the country that the RBS"O gave us and to quote from V'yoel Moshe to bolster his arguments is criminal.
The Rebbe instilled more hate into the thinking of the Jewish people then Hamas!
He was saved by the Zionists and refused to say thank you! Is that a Rebbe? Doesn't Rebbe mean, teacher? Is that the lesson I want to teach my children?
People have not learned from the Mergalim. We are in the 3 weeks because of the meraglim, and we now have a Chassidus that parrots the words of the meraglim. We have frum Jews commenting and disparaging the country that is the biggest supporter of Torah, and that's even after the massive cuts. There are frum Jews making comments against Israel, comments that mimic the worst anti-semites and back their arguments with the sefer V'yoel Moshe....
Shame on you guys...
I have seen the original telegram in which they write 'rak bdam tihye lanu haaretz', of course its now placed in a safe place, as the authorities in isreal want to get rid of it, as this doesnt fit with their lies, again I have seen the 'original' telegram.
Not true, rabbi weissmandl's sefer was not edited at all, I was a student in his yeshiva, and was involved in the printing process, dont try to rewrite history to fit your prejudices.
Rabbi weissmandl worked with the zionists because1) yuvoi haness mikol mokom, 2) they had accesss to money, 3) he also met with any of the nazis he could, including eichman yms.
If somebody disagrees with you you call them (svetlana) an apikoros? what she is saying is just what all yiden held and believed since matan Torah, what you are saying is Herzls apikorsos, so who is the apikoros? !!!!!!!
I respectfully request, that the above answer to 'svetlana' be erased, its an abomination that such a lowlife is allowed to comment.
Of course sinas yisroel has been around since matan Torah, chazal say that har domains is called 'sinai', because us yiddens kabballas hatora is the reason of the goyims sinas chinom, however from the time Herzl started his raayon 'kechol hagoyim bais yisroel', the sina to the Jews is not because of the tora, goyim hating Jews on account of shmiras hatorah vhamitzvos is what hashems plan is, however goyim hating Jews because of nationalism is definitly against g-ds will, every Jew that was killed or wounded because of nationalism, is bloodshed in the fullest sense.
The last 5 anonymouses are written by one deranged Israel hater and liar and kurva. Nobody pay him any attention. He tried the same drek using his exact words on emesvemunah site . Rabbi Weissmandel's supposed letter is nonexistent His book was edited and rewritten by his cronies.. Satmar shita is hatred of Israel.
He is also the the kurva Svetlana. All these desperate posts are by one maniac.
Fly to the red light district in Amsterdam as I told you and take Malaysian.
Svetlana is a transvestite now. You have to laugh when he-she writes that her-his answers are true and how dare anybody challenge her. This is a sick schizophreniac talking about himself-herself. If you check his-her earlier posts , he even says " I'm not Satmar , you can tell by my name".
All his-her posts should be deleted. As I said, let he-she fly to Amsterdam on Malaysian. Tvs are welcome there.
the satmar rav Baal mchaber vyoel Moshe loved eretz yisroel more than all the chovvei tzion together, and then some,his love was because of the kdushe and tahara in the land that the Torah says 'eney hashem elokecha bah', vloh yireh bchah ervsas davar vshov meachrecha, his holy heart & holy neshama cried and bled how the chilonim deface the kdushas eretz yisroel, exchanging the holiness of the land, to cheap nationalism, he cried and hurt for every yid that was injured maimed and killed because of the kium malchus haminus, his holy heart & soul cried and bled for every yiddishe neshama that didnt keep Torah umitzvos, etc. etc., his kanois was because of ahavas hashem ahavas hatorah & ahavas yisroel and ahavas eretz yisroel.
Of course whatever you say or write must be believed more than anyone else's, just because thats the way you want it, how appropriate to you is the saying 'dont confuse me with the facts, I have already made up my mind'. Also we can to this, and I make up my facts to fit my made up mind, may hashem guide you to firget your biased way of thinking, and yelamdu toim binah.
See yerushalmi Sanhedrin peruk yud halacha bet, the last blatt of the masechta, that hadhem sent eliyahu hanavi to be mnachem avel chiel, who sat Shiva for the death of his last living offspring, and Eliyahu hanavi said to chiel 'baruch elokay hatzadikim hamekayeim divrei tzadikim', hashem sent him then and there!!!!!!
Go back to the emesvemunah blog and post there under ur different names, Svetlana Zonah.
Repeating your foul comments wont get you anywere, ever heard the saying' a fool is one who does (or says) the same thing more than once, and expects a different outcome'.
Shoudn't really answer, Al taan ksil keuvalto, just for the record I never heard about emesvemunah blog, realize that its not 'myway or the highway', you're talking about things you really have little or no expertise, you're prejudiced and using imagination to fit your mindset.
FROM YIVO******************
_While there is general consent that Weissmandel dedicated himself heroically to rescue efforts, and was an outstanding personality held in the highest regard, there is an ongoing dispute regarding his accusations that world Jewry—particularly the World Jewish Congress (WJC), the Joint Distribution Committee, and the Zionist leadership—neglected to send the down payment required for life-saving bribery. The Orthodox world later adopted this grave accusation, using as proof Weissmandel’s letters and speeches, which were published after his death by his students and disciples. Secular historiography and research, especially in Israel, claim that small sums could not halt the death machinery, and other factors stopped it in late 1942; that the editors of Weissmandel’s book, entitled Min ha-metsar (From the Abyss; 1960), admitted that letters sent by representatives of world Jewish organizations to explain their alleged objection to send the funds to Slovakia, or their copies, were never found, and therefore were quoted “from memory”; and that Wisliceny stopped negotiating when the funds eventually arrived. The Europa Plan affair remains a bitter bone of contention between the Orthodox and secular Jewish worlds, the former claiming that the Jews of Europe were abandoned, and the latter that these allegations originate in Orthodoxy’s need to fortify itself against the secular and the Zionist. _______
FROM YEHUDA BAUER, HISTORIAn ****************
_ Weissmandel adduces documentation for most of his stories, he recites two crucial letters from memory.So far the letters or their copies have not been found.--------A meticulous search of Mayer's full and comprehensive archive has failed to turn up the letter mentioned by Weissmandel_____
FROM JEWISH VIRTUAL LIBRARY ***************
His book of memoirs, Min ha-Meẓẓar ("From the Depths"), was published posthumously in 1960. It is a bitter, condemnatory work, powerful and furious. It is also a problematic work for historians as it is difficult to tell what he wrote and what was written by his brother and students after he died.
Herzl died young because of a broken heart of what he saw in the pogroms and wanted to help his fellow Jews. The orthodox leaders were cold hearted and cruel. So which one is Toras emes?
vlav davka eretz yisroel, now who should we listen to? A koufer beikar? Or hashem? that's what you wrote. The other poster is mistaken when he called you Satmer. From your yidish you r a yeshivsh sonei yisroel from brisk, Lakewood or mir.
From your yidish you r a yeshivish brisk Lakewood or mir soneh yisroel , not satmer. Actually ur even worse because u believe ur bs and satmer no longer believe in anything. They laugh at the whole BS.
Nobody added or subtracted a word to his sefer min hametzar, its just because his original documents dispute the zionists lies, that they refute him, they openly told and wrote to him, telegraphed him, that when the world war will end there will be a new division of the ciuntries lands, the only way that we (zionists) will have a place at the negotiations table to get us also a parcel of land, is if we lost people, and the more Jews that are killed, the stronger will we be in getting our demands, so there goes the lies that the zionists were the saviours, true they had accces to money, which they used to save themselves and their freinds, begrudgingley also some who they didnt want to save, (i.e. The satmar rav, etc.).
To Anon 10:28
You write:
"I have seen the original telegram in which they write 'rak bdam tihye lanu haaretz', of course its now placed in a safe place, as the authorities in isreal want to get rid of it, as this doesnt fit with their lies, again I have seen the 'original' telegram."
Where did you see it? Why dont they make a copy of it? I also think that NOW would be a good time for you to show the telegram to the world, because the Israelis are busy sacrificing their children, so the Yeshivishe guys can continue to learn.... so now would be a great time ...
To my readers
From reading some of the comments, (and I deleted at least 100 of them,) I see that the Satmarer Rebbe , R' Yoelish succeeded with his mission to seed hatred among the Jewish people..
Hashem brought this war to try his very best to unite the Jewish people, and all Jews except For Satmar and Brisk are united...
Satmar and Brisk have been proven wrong with all their fraudulent interpretations of the Gemarrah in Kesubois and their hateful propaganda.
The State of Israel exists and even Harav Shteinman said Tuesdaynight, that the Nissim And Nifloas that Hashem did for Klall Yisroel in the State is unbelievable!
Satmar go do Chesed! Because you guys will have to do alot of chesed to turn the RBS"O in your Favor.
There is a copy of the original telegram in 'min hametzar'.!!!!!!!!, "rak bdam tihye lanu haaretz vatem teilu"!!!!!!!!
Cite the page and paragraph, because in my edition the GENUINE and original letter, not telegram, LETTER , that's what it's supposed to be is nonexistent. Repreat** NONEXISTENT... Show us the Full letter.. because nobody could find it except*** VOila*** You.
Wow -.
As the poster wrote, the original letter which was supposed to contain the words ' rak bedam-- etc. is absolutely not to be found anywhere. That would be the primary source material, if the other writer understands what that means. Primary sources are THE prima facie evidence to prove something and nothing else. Rabbi Weissmandel indeed wrote or maybe telegrammed to other people using these words in reference to whoever wrote them. However, as pointed out, this communique was written from memory. As all historians of that period emphasize, while Rabbi Weissmandel does produce documentation for other material, he does not have the primary source actual letter from the Swiss Zionist representative who supposedly wrote these words.
hence, any other "evidence" by rabid non-Zionist communities are very much suspect. The reader is urged to read other books on this awful period and see Primary Source materials for themselves as any intelligent researcher would and not automatically fall into the anti-Zionists trap. It's also no secret that they are notorious for taking phrases and events so out of context as render their entire accusations as fairy tales.
It's important to know that even secular non-Zionists authors and who are critical of Zionism , not one of them, can produce this letter with those words. Not One.
Hamchane shem lachveiro ein lo chelek lolam haba.
Kol haoosel bemumo posel, in your mind you only think money money, no Lakewood brisk satmar etc. etc. have tirah principles and thats what counts.
Whoever disagrees with you, and you have been proven wrong, your answer is calling him/her names, well we rest our case.
Halo msanecha hashem esna uviskomemecha eskotat,, if that makes me a sone yisroel, well I have really good company, David melech yistoel.
You write a man who made himself a sudas hodaa every year when millions were butchered including members of his family, wow, so many lies and misinformations, 1) the rebbe never made himself a seudas hodaa,, in fact the first time the chassidim started singing in his bhmd on kaf aleph kislav spontaneously he asked them not to, only with time when the chassidim tried again and again year after year did he oblige, always stressing that the hodaa ti hashem is not for himself personally only hodaa fir the tzibuur (see dibros kodesh in divray yoel annually on ka kisleiv). 2) his immediate family wernt killed or butchered, he lost his 1st rebbetzin years befored succumbing to disease, also lost 2 daughters by same, his 2nd rebbetzin and only living daughter survived and passed away later, its really irrelavant, besides the piint, just to show how inaccurate and biased your whole comment is, and there are many other lies misinformation, in your blog, yucle hazman vhaym lo yuchli, its just plain biasef against this holy tzadik and gaon olam, there is a definite pattern of changing facts to fit your biases and prejudices, stop that, dont be bichlal mevaze talmid chuchom, dont mesaper achar mituson, the oinshim are koshim umorim, ubifrat when we are talking about a malach alokim.
To readers of this thread,
I wrote before that I will delete all comments against the State of Israel on this thread during the 3 weeks.
I will not tolerate any comments that quote The "malach Elokim" (I saw him go to the bathroom), if its against either against the State or people living there. This is my blog, if you want you can comment on Al-Jazira's website....pr you can write to der Yid, der blatt, dee zeitung, or any Hamas blog!
O already delted about 200 comments.
How brave of you to delete comments that dont fit you way of thinking, just shows you are afraid of the truth.
This blog is very seldom read by Lakewood mir brisk or satmar, if you already deleted more than 200 comments, out of about 300, shows you od lo alman yisroel, in your own ranks the majority 2 thirds disagree with your way of thinking, maybe youll delete my comment also?
"this is my blog", and people think its forum where ideas are exchanged, and voiced, so that the emes comes out true & clear, there you have it from the mouth of the Baal duvor, its either my way or no way.
"this is MY blog", and decent people thought that a blog is an avenue a forum for ideas exchanged, and let the emes be the winner, obviously not here, where your motto is, either its MY way or no way, there you have it selfish arrogant and totally wrong.
Herzl was an apikorus a kofer beikar, he died on shabbos with a pen in his hand, his children were meshimadim, he bichlall didnt have rachmanus on yiddrn, his master plan was to seperate yhudim from hashem, and create a sovereign Medina for secular Jews, in the beginning it was someplace in Africa how can you find a limud sechus on a mumar lehachis, but not on ehrliche yidden, calling them names, TWISTED MINDS etc.
To anon 8:59
If you go by the Majority, why don't you join the Muslims?
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