Tuesday, June 16, 2015

Is the שיטה הקדושה פון ויואל משה running out out of steam and not connecting to young people anymore?

from the Circus Tent Blog

There was some talk about it a few weeks ago, where some young people were interviewed anonymously in some publication. 

Obviously those that were interviewed are likely not the guys you want to use as your "proof." They're not on the Satmar path at all. 

So the fact that they like the Land of Israel is not proof that the Shittah is bankrupt. But we're not talking about the guys in that interview. 

We're talking about young people, in their 20s, 30s and 40s, who send their kids to Satmar mosdos, who daven in Satmar shuls, and who may even spend all the דערהויבענע מאמענטן of the year in Satmar

Does the shittah speak to them? 

More and more we see that it doesn't, and for a very simple reason. It's tough to raise a generation on a basis that is the antithesis of what a Jew believes and yearns for. 
Eretz Yisroel is in the heart of every Jew. 

He yearns to go there, whether he feels it or not. It's part of our past, present and future. 

Some choose not to see any of the wrongs going on there, because of the love, and I dare say, some choose to see EVERYTHING as wrong. Maybe because they love it so much, and it's hard to see a beloved country, G-d's country, act that way. 

Young people, however, they're in need of love, to love and be loved. They can't live the way their parents and grandparents did. This is true with regards to most things in life, the way they raise their families, and even the way they see Eretz Yisroel. They need to love. 

The Shittah was good for the old generation, it doesn't seem to be working with the younger ones. Even if we do see bochurim marching and wearing sackcloth, and even if we see 13 year old kids saying דאון וויט איזראעל.


Anonymous said...

Dovid Hamelech says in tehillim MESANECHU HASHEM ESNO and that's the path a REAL frum Jew should take, there's no more kedushe in EY than in times square! Homosexuality is NOT kedushe actually according to the Torah it pushes away the shecina from EY, and to our shame EY became the OR LAGOYIM in regards to znus and most importantly in regards to those disgusting animals with two feet who are called gays
of course you yearn to go there because you're a disgusting Baal teiva yourself but that's NOT EY actually it's the original ERETZ CANAAN

Anonymous said...

Well, you know what the Hirshel Tzig aka Circus Tent aka anti-Tzemach agenda is don't you?

He was a heimishe Hungarian, possibly even Satmar, vos iz gevoren a Lubavitcher. And since Satmar gives tremendous grief to their kind who defect to Chabad - even more so than what they inflict on ex-Satmar who become modern orthodox - the guy blogs as if he is looking over his shoulder at them.

Who is he anyway? One suspect that comes to mind is the Lubavitch shaliach in Chestnut Ridge who comes from at least partial Satmar background.

Anonymous said...

slowly but surely the Satmar brainwashed zombies are waking up,and realizing what insane garbage they were fed all these years,you really have to be criminally insane to believe this monstrous lie perpetuated by Satmar,that the fact that we have medinas yisroel blooming and growing with almost seven million jews in it's borders, and having a KIBUTZ GOLIOUS of gigantic proportion right in front of our eyes and having defeated it's surrounding enemies in war after war,is all the work of the DEVIL (sitra achra),
DIN,i salute you in your holy work to expose the vicious lies and garbage and RISHAS disseminated by these Roumanian gypsy EIRAV RAV.
KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK,and don't let,untill this cancer infecting KLLAL YISROEL is completely eradicated,

Dusiznies said...

You are one deranged very sick individual....
you scribble:
"there's no more kedushe in EY than in times square!"
are you kidding me? you sick bastard!
Even the Neturei Karta say the Eretz Yisroel has kedusha!
You are "mezera amaliek" no way that you have Jewish DNA

Yidel Warter said...

WAITING when decreed by a SUPER BEING, It has to become a frame of mind, Like it or not, practical or not,

Jews have to wait for Meshiach to create a Jewish State, creating a Jewish state
without him, one becomes a Non Waiter, which the Rambam calls an APIKOIRES,

In the beginning of the Common Era the Amoire Shmuel formulated his successful campaign against early Christians and devised a slogan that said "" The ONLY difference between before Meshiach and after Meshiach is HIM establishing of a Jewish Independent Government""" , which Yoshke failed to accomplish ,

Bavli prods 5 times the soundness and scope of Shmuels slogan by analyzing 5 statements that broadens the scope of Meshiachs Actions/Era , but all 5 statements agree that the reestablishing of a Jewish government is exclusively Meshiachs role for the Jewish people,(V”Yoel Moshe) and the Rambam Codifies this as Halacha by Proclaiming for us today :

1) Jews wait for Meshiach to be free of non Jewish governments, by Meshiach Himself establishing a Jewish sovereignty,

2) All other objectives that might result at the era of Meshiach does not necessarily have to happen by Meshiach Personally,

3) Do Not Talk about the OTHER OBJECTIVES when highlighting Meshiachs Objective (as Shmuel has done in his campaign),

4) Whoever does not believe the above or does not WAIT for Meshiach to do the creation of the Jewish State is an A P I K O R E S

Please be open minded by joining the Satmers in prayers, that Hashem should not punish us again, because of those who are actively Non-Waiters

Yidel Warter

Satnars Fundemental Idenity crisis of the 21st century said...

The Tziyonim don't exist anymore , The secular Isrealis just want to live like Americans and Europeans they don't know who Herzl is or what Zionism is. It would be like fighting the Romans who do not exist anymore . The only ones who are pushing Tzionism is Satmar as they need Zionism to be alive for their Identity as A Fundemental Cornerstone of Satmars Identity is to Fight Zionism which unfortunetly for Satmar does not really exist which is very scary for them as than who will they Yell "Gevald - Shaigetz"? at each other Zalonim and Aronim?

Dusiznies said...

To Yidel
Satmars are the only ones since Matan Torah that call other Gedoilim "minim" "apikorsim" because they don't follow their insane bizarre SHIT'ah..

See Yidels Point 4 that mimics Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum's rants in his "shalosh Seuda Toirelech in 1967 when he called all those who don't agree with him..."APIKORSIM"

"4) Whoever does not believe the above or does not WAIT for Meshiach to do the creation of the Jewish State is an A P I K O R E S"

Having said that, just look at my "Satmar Sidebars" where I answer all your points!

There were many true Gedoilie Yisrael that didn't agree with the Satmar fanatical crazy SHIT"ah that goes against reality,and there were Gedoilie Yisroel who actually were against Zionism but came around once the State of Israel became fact!

Yidel keeps quoting the Rambam... but Satmar doesn't hold the Rambam as a poisek unless it fits into their anti-Jewish agenda!

The Rebbe Reb Yoel z"l felt guilty because he misled hundreds of thousands of Jews who wanted so badly to emigrate Hungary/Roumania pre WW2 ...and felt guilty because they all perished while he got himself on board the Zionist Kastner Train!

He was also wrong when he said that there was never a man on the moon, which sounded so crazy in those years!

The SHIT'ah is falling apart by its seems and the Medinah will stand when Mashiach comes Bimheirah Be'yameinu Amein !

Satmar Watch said...

YIDEL WARTER: You and your Satmar hooligans are blatant ignoramuses and falsifiers of Hashem's Torah.

SHMUEL (Samuel) DID NOT SAY WHAT YOU CLAIMED HE SAID - "The ONLY difference between before Meshiach and after Meshiach is HIM establishing of a Jewish Independent Government".

To brainwash their ignorant masses into believing their false religion, Satmarists use the same DISHONEST methodologies as Christians and Muslims do - falsifying Hashem's Torah!!!

Shmuel's statement is quoted by the Rambam:
"Halacha 2
Our Sages taught: "There will be no difference between the current age and the Messianic era except the emancipation from our subjugation to the gentile kingdoms."


"Samuel said: There is no difference between this world and the days of the Messiah except [that in the latter there will be no] subjugation to the gentile kingdoms, as it says: For the poor shall never cease out of the land." (Talmud Bavli, Berachot 34b)

Anonymous said...

YiddelMittenFeddleFahrter takes one and only ONE statement of Shmuel and spins a web of Mexican tacos burritos and fajitas... Then with a straight face asks us to join the Katchke SHYT'te... Ha ha ha ha...

And,you, the familiar one @ 10:08 ....
You sound like an unemployed Kohen... You're a Tzoraas seeker....
Can't you find anything good there????

".... actually it's the original ERETZ CANAAN ..."

Interesting.... I don't recall anywhere in T"nach even after the Neviim discussing the sins during both Beis Hamikdashes, don't recall that EY was ever referred to as Canaan.....
Even after King Omri did his own mother....
You know what, Tzoraas Yager? You frum cats shoulda made Aliyah 80 years ago if you care so much for kedushas EY... coulda been the vast majority, instituted Torah azoivee s'darf Tzu zein.... And of course, you woulda had no homosexuality and other stuff... No aveires..!!! Only Mitzvos... !!!! Yuz woulda been squeaky clean.... Really...!!!!

Say, aren't you the one that noticed the pants on Rebettzin Munkatch ..????? Say aren't the cat who wrote something about late prominent Brooklyn Rebbe and his supposed early relationship with his wife w/o a shred of evidence
, while you were at some drunken wedding....
Seems you talk a lot about sex & sin...!!!
Are you some kind of sex-obsessed preacher..?????/

the Derby.....
Shakespeare : The Lady Doth Protest Too Much...!!!!! No ?