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Thursday, August 21, 2014

The Three Oaths "Sholosh Shevuois" Explained


Because of the deluge of people e-mailing me to explain the Sholosh Shevuois, I have decided to dedicate an entire post to this exposive topic, and hopefully put this controversy to rest, at least on my blog!

Normally, I allow people to dissent in the comments, but I will not allow it with this post; I will delete them, because the other side has numerous venues and opportunities to voice their opinions. 
For example, they can voice their side on Der Yid, Der Blatt, Dee Zeitung, Ami Magazine, Hamodia, Hapeles (Auerbach's rag), Der Sturmer, Al-Jazeera, Reuters, & New York Times, naming just a few!
They can also start their own blog and spew their hate and Loshon Hara against the majority of the Jewish people, over there! 

I cannot allow space to be given to Apikorsim, Koifrem, Meraglim, haters of the State of Israel, and people who base their entire Chassidus, hating other Jews!

Now, the Yeshivas have taken the cause of anti-Zionism, fueled by the fanatical rants and shmoozzes of their Roshei Yeshivois, who are control freaks and are terrified of losing their grip and power over their sheep.

In this week's edition of Der Yid, the editor boasts and admits that they finally succeeded in changing the Litvishers' view of the State of Israel. They write that it took 50 years to get the Yeshivishe velt to turn away from being pro-Zionistic to the Satmar view!
They write, that in the past, except for the Briskar Rav and some other Litvishe Yechidim, the Satmar Rebbe was the sole person to see "the State for what it really is." 

The reason that the Litvishe Roshei Yeshivah guys, joined Satmar in speaking Loshon Harah and deciding  that hating The State, was good policy was for only one reason, and one reason only...
since they refuse to work, and refuse to join the army,  taking on the "shita" in effect gives them the excuse of not being part of a productive society!
Of course, this will be unsustainable, both in Israel and in the USA!

In secret, the Roshei Yeshiva are all pro the State, since they constantly advocate  Litvishe parents, to send their children to Israel to learn.
They are also on the take, practically all Yeshivas in the State of Israel take money from the Zionist entity, making the Zionists the largest Baalei Tzedaka in the entire Jewish world. And this even after the massive cuts from the Government!


The following Midrash is the source of the "sholosh shevuois" ... 

It begins on Ketubot 110b and continues on 111a (where the Three Oaths or sholosh shevuois are plainly conveyed). 

The Gemara quotes R. Yossi ben R. Chanina:


' שבועות הללו למה,

אחת שלא יעלו ישראל בחומה

ואחת שהשביע הקדוש ברוך הוא את ישראל שלא ימרדו באומות העולם 

ואחת שהשביע הקדוש ברוך הוא את אומות העולם שלא
 ישתעבדו בהן בישראל יותר מדאי.

"What are these Three Oaths?

One, that Israel should not storm the wall {RaShI interprets: Together forcefully}.

Two, the Holy One adjured Israel not to rebel against the nations of the world. 

Three, the Holy One adjured the nations that they would not oppress Israel too much".


The Midrash is in large part an exegetical analysis of three separate Pesukim in  Shir HaShirim, and naturally reflects the traditional interpretation, which sees the entire Shir HaShirim as an allegory for the relationship between the Ribono Shel Olam  and the Jewish people.

One should take note, that Ezra Hasofer, lived over 500 years before R' Yossi ben Chanina, and he urged the Jews living in Bavel to make Aliyah, He went up with approximately 5,000 Jews, the largest one time Aliyah in the History of the Jewish people since Yehoshua. Apparently he wasn't aware of the Sholosh Shevuois, or if he did, he ignored it and considered it null and void!
 He chastised those who remained in Bavel.
He was successful in  building the Second Bais Hamikdash!


*Reish Lakish said to Rabbah bar bar Chanah, "By G-d, I hate you. (Rashi
explains: 'I hate...all Babylonians, because they did not ascend to Eretz Yisrael at
the time of Ezra. They prevented the Shechinah from returning to rest upon the
Second Temple.') It is thus written, If she be a wall, we will build upon her a
battlement of silver; and if she be a door, we will enclose her with a cedar board
(Shir HaShirim 8:9): Had you made yourselves like a wall and ascended all together
to Eretz Yisrael at the time of Ezra, you would have been compared to silver which
does not decay (and the redemption would have been complete). Now that you
went up like doors,123 you were compared to cedar which decays (meaning, the
edifice was destroyed)." (Yoma 9b)


The Ya'avetz (Siddur Beit Ya'akov, Sullam Beit El, p. 14b.) explains [the homiletic
passage in which Eliyahu] appears to R. Chiya as a fiery bear (Bava Metzia 85b):
For he [the angelic minister of Persia, who appears as a bear] prosecutes against
the Babylonian Jews who did not ascend when Cyrus, king of Persia, gave them
permission to do so. Had they ascended during that divine visitation, [their efforts]
would not have decayed and the redemption would have been complete...
Therefore, there is room to prosecute, because the Babylonians caused the exile to
be lengthened.


The Rambam cited the Sholosh Shevuois in his famous  Iggeret Teiman, which was written around 1172 in reply to an inquiry concerning the crisis the Yemenite Jews were then going through. A decree of forced conversion to Islam which had thrown the Jews into panic. 

Coupled with this crisis, was the rise of a Messianic movement started by a native of Yemen who claimed he was Meshiach which served to further increase the confusion within the Jewish community. 

In the course of the Rambam's attempt to strengthen the morale of the Yemenite Jews. he states in his letter:

ולפי שידע שלמה ע"ה ברוח הקדש שהאומה הזו כאשר תלכד בגלות תיזום להתעורר שלא בזמן הראוי ויאבדו בכך וישיגום 
הצרות הזהיר מכך והשביע עליו על דרך המשל
 ואמר השבעתי אתכם בנות ירושלים וכו

"Shlomo, of blessed memory, foresaw with Divine inspiration, that the prolonged duration of the exile would incite some of our people to seek to terminate it before the proper time, 
and as a consequence they would perish or meet with disaster. 
Therefore he warned them (to desist) from it and adjured them in metaphorical language"

Rabbi Chaim Walkin points out in his sefer, Da'at Chaim, that the Rambam discussed the Sholosh Shevuois only in the letter to Yemen, but not in his Halachic work, the Mishne Torah.
 R. Walkin postulates that this is due to the fact that while the Rambam saw these oaths as important, he did not consider them to be legally binding as Halacha, only that they serve as “warnings that these actions would be unsuccessful

I,(DIN) humbly believe, that if one wants to make the case that Shlomo Hamelech was making a Nevuah that Jews should not "terminate the [Galus] before the proper time", and consider the Sholosh Shevuois a prophecy, then he was talking of Galus Bavel exclusively. In fact during the time of Achashveirosh, the Galus Jews miscalculated the 70 years that they were in exile and hence the almost annihilation of the Jews in Bavel  and Persia; hence the warning of Shlomo Hamelech!
The 70 years of exile were known to all Jews in Bavel, they just miscalculated! 

Not addressed by the Gemara or any Rishonim or for that matter Achronim, is the third oath, the oath to the goyim that  "they would not oppress Israel too much".

Which Goyim were told? Where were they told?
Who informed them? What did they say to the one who informed them?
What does "too much" mean? Were they told, how much they could oppress? 
Is murdering and torturing 6 million Jews, "too much"?

The present Galus has no end in sight, and there isn't any prophecy that predicts its conclusion. 
We have The State of Israel, and it is a fact B'H, and it is close to 70 years old; has survived B"H even though it is surrounded by Arab Wolves; we see Nissim V'Nifloas every second.

We are all witness watching the State of Israel being rebuilt, we see that the  State of Israel has the most Torah being learnt since Mattan Torah. 
We see the magnificent infrastructure of Israel, 
We see beautiful orchids filled with the most beautiful fruits and vegetables etc etc

We can only see what is happening..... 
and what is happening is the Nevuah that we say 3 times a day in Shemonah Esrei which we see with our very own eyes:
"V'kabztieinu Yachad Me'arba Kanfos Haaretz"
Says Hashem:
"I will gather you from the 4 corners of the earth"

We see Jews coming to the State of Israel from all corners of the globe.... we see Antisemitism all over Europe that is directly causing Jews to finally see that Hashem wants us only in Israel...
not in Monsey, Boro-park, Williamsburg, Monroe, New square, Flatbush, Kensington, South Fallsburg, Miami, London, Paris etc
but in Israel!

Gedolie Yisroel (Lubavitcher Rebbe ,see later in this post) suggest that in Rambam's  letter to Yemen, he explicitly interprets the oaths metaphorically, and not literally. 
As it states there “Therefore he admonished and adjured them in metaphorical language
 (דרך המשל, lit. by way of metaphor) to desist.” 
Therefore, they maintain, that the Rambam did not consider them to be Halachically binding.

The Ramban did not explicitly discuss the Sholosh Shevuois, however he did maintain that it is incumbent upon Jews in every generation as a positive commandment, Mitzvas Esseh to attempt to conquer the Land of Israel

In his glosses (Hashmatot) to Rambam's Sefer HaMitzvot on Positive Commandment #4 he wrote:
"That we are commanded to take possession of the Land which the Almighty, Blessed Be He, gave to our forefathers, to Avraham, toYitzchak, and to Yaakov; and not to abandon it to other nations, or to leave it desolate, as He said to them, You shall dispossess the inhabitants of the Land and dwell in it, for I have given the Land to you to possess it, (Numbers, 33:53) and he said, further, 
To Inherit the Land which I swore to your forefathers, (to give them,) behold, we are commanded with the conquest of the land in every generation."
Ramban's' position here is untenable if he maintains that the Sholosh Shevuois are Halachically binding. 
Accordingly it would appear that the Ramban implicitly rejects the Sholosh Shevuois as Halachically binding, and that to treat it as such would be to effectively nullify a Mitzvahs Esseh M'doirisah!

The Ramban continues to write:
"Chazal made many other such emphatic statements regarding this positive commandment that we are commanded to possess the Land and settle it. It is therefore an eternal positive command, obligating every single individual even during the time of Exile as is known from the Gemarrah in many places"

The Maharal discussed the Sholosh Shevuois in two different locations, in his work Netzach Yisrael and in his commentary to Tractate Ketubos. 
In his work Netzach Yisrael he wrote:
כי פירוש 'בדורו של שמד' היינו במדה שהיה לדורו של שמד, שהיו דביקים בה דורו של שמד, ובאותה מדה השביע אותם שלא ישנו בענין הגלות. כי דורו של שמד, אף על גב שהגיע להם המיתה בגלות, לא היו משנים. ועוד פירוש 'בדורו של שמד', רוצה לומר אף אם יהיו רוצים להמית אותם בעינוי קשה, לא יהיו יוצאים ולא יהיו משנים בזה. וכן הפירוש אצל כל אחד ואחד, ויש להבין זה
"Another explanation of the Midrash’s statement (he is speaking of Shir Ha-Shirim Rabba 2:20 that begins “ורבנן אמרי השביען בדורו של שמד”) that Hashem adjured the Jewish people in a generation of Shmad (religious persecution Jews, or decrees against Jews): that even if they will threaten to kill them with difficult torture, they will not leave the Exile nor will they change their behavior in this manner"
 Most later Achronim say that the Maharal in his Pirush in Kesubois, considered the oaths to be a Divine decree, which has thus subsequently expired. 
They rely on the Maharal's commentary in Kesubois.
Because they maintain that there is a certain degree of ambiguity in what the Maharal wrote in his sefer Netzach Yisrael (quoted above) and therefore his true position must be the one what he wrote in his Kesubois commentary, for “anything to the contrary yields a contradiction within the Maharal’s own writings."

However, the Satmar Rebbe, Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum's, position in respect to whether Maharal understood the Oaths as prohibitively binding upon Jews is based upon what was written in Netzach Yisrael only, and he refused to consider and factor in Maharal’s position in his commentary on Kesubos because this Maharal didn't fit in with his hatred of the State! 
Not to explain a pshat of the Maharal on the Gemarrah that speaks about the Sholosh Shevuois  on the spot, that basically says that the Shalosh Sevuois it is no longer valid and then quote an ambiquos Netzach Yisrael, is bizzare and weird, and can only be that Satmar Rebbe decided that it doesn't fit his insane view.

Rav Henkin wrote the following in 1959 in response to the anti-Zionist position of the Satmar Rebbe and the Neturei Karta:


"I was shocked to read in Chomoteinu of Cheshvan 5719 the slanderous notion that we are required to give our lives (limsor nefesh) to frustrate and resist the efforts of the State of Israel in its struggle against those who would rise up against them. This was stated as a p'sak din based on what we learn that Israel is restricted from rebelling against the nations (Ketubot 111a). This opinion is clearly not in keeping with halacha [and which can result] in imminent dangers for millions of Jews....


"Now all the rabbis who were opposed to Zionism and the establishment of a state took up that position until the time that it was officially founded. Once the state was declared, anyone who plays into the hands of the nations of the world even where there is no imminent danger, is clearly a moseir and rodeif. ...to proclaim that anyone who aids the state is a rodeif, well such talk is the severest form of redifa.


Rabbi Chaim Zimmerman in his book, Torah and Existence explains:

שהשבועה שלא יעלו בחומה אין זה נגד מצות כבוש הארץ
... כי השבועה שלא יעלו בחומה היתה על אלה שגלו וישבו בבבל או בכל מקום
אחר בחו״ל, עליהם נאמר שלא יעלו בחומה ושפיר אתי הלשון שלא יעלו. 
אכל
אלה היושבים בציון עליהם לא היתה כלל השבועה שלא ילחמו

"...the difficulty in the Ramban which says that the mitzva of kibush prevails in our time against the oath, dissolves. The oath, shelo yaalu bechoma means explicitly that we cannot storm eretz-Yisrael from chutz-laaretz. 
But when the Jews are in eretz-Yisrael, there is surely a hechsher mitzva of kibbush-haaretz.. 
How can the Jews be in eretz-Yisrael without the aliyah "bechoma?" 
The answer is very simple. If many Jews came to eretz-Yisrael individually, or by permission of the nations, then once they are there, there is a command of kibbush... 
There was never an oath upon the people who were in eretz-Yisrael"

, Rabbi Chaim Vital a talmud of the Ari Hakodosh, in his introduction to his sefer Eitz Chayim, expressed the view that the Sholosh Shevuois were only binding for the first thousand years of Exile. He wrote:
‘I made you swear, daughters of Jerusalem...’ this great oath to G-d was that they should not arouse the Redemption until that love will be desired and with good will, as it is written ‘until I desire,’ and  Chazal already said that the time of this oath is a thousand years, as it is written in the Baraita of Rabbi Yishmael in Pirkei Heichalot (in a comment on Daniel 7:25)..., and similarly in the Zohar II:17a...that it is one day of the Exile of the Community of Israel.'

The Following is a conversation that the Lubavitcher Rebbe had with the Sadugere Rebbe in July 1980
Cover of transcript booklet of conversation between the Lubavitcher Rebbe and the Sadugere Rebbe

Read 8 lines from bottom:
Sadugere Rebbe: "In reference to today's situation, is there a Din of  3 Shevuois?"
Lubavitcher Rebbe: "In today's situation, there is no connection at all to the 3 Shevuois"

Read 10 lines from bottom:
Lubavitcher Rebbe:

"There is absolutely no concern or connection today to the 3 Shevuois" 



To summarize the argument, that the three Shevuois are either not relevant or null and void:

  • The Three Oaths are an Aggadic Midrash, and therefore they are not Halakhically obligatory (Aggadic Midrashim, as opposed to Halachic Midrashim are not traditionally understood as a valid source for Halacha). Accordingly, Rambams' Mishne Torah, the Arba'ah Turim, the Shulchan Aruch, and other halachic sources do not cite the Three Oaths or rule accordingly. They are not found there at all.
  • The United Nations resolution to declare the State of Israel fulfills the first condition of the oath to not rebel against the nations. Thus, when the United Nations told the Jews to go home, it was mandatory that they do so. Just as Cyrus instructed the Jews of Babylonia to construct the Second Temple. This position is held by Eliezer Waldenberg, the Tziz Eliezer  ציץ אליעזר, חלק ז, סימן מח and others.
  • The Three Oaths simply meant that Hashem had decreed an exile for the Jewish people. The fact that the Jewish people have successfully returned to the Land of Israel, and that the State of Israel has survived, is evidence that the oath is void and the decree has ended.
  • The wording of the Rambam in his Letter to Yemen specifically states that the Oaths are “metaphorical” (see Rambam above), furthermore in his Halachic work he places great value upon living in the Land of Israel, and forbids leaving it.
  • Although the Three Oaths were obligatory in the past, the gentiles violated their vow by excessively persecuting the Jewish people. Therefore the validity of the two other vows has been nullified. Religious Zionists point to a specific Midrash warning that if gentile nations violated this oath, then "they cause the End of Days to come prematurely."

  • This has been interpreted to mean that Israel's re-establishment would be implemented sooner than originally intended. With atrocities against Jews throughout history, and especially after The Holocaust, the Jewish people were absolved of their part of the Oaths. Those who hold this position often rely on the Shulchan Aruch which states: "two [persons] who have taken an oath to do a thing, and one of them violates the oath, the other is exempt [from it] and does not require permission."

  • As a result, the ban on mass-immigration to the Land of Israel became void, and Zionism and the State of Israel arose as a direct result of the breach by gentile nations of the Oaths.
  • Religious Zionists often point to Israel's seemingly miraculous survival in the numerous Arab-Israeli wars, especially the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and Six-Day War, and interpret this as the State of Israel being preserved directly by Hashem's hand.
  • The Jewish people did not return en masse to the Land of Israel, but rather through individual immigration as well as a series of five Aliyahs. Jews continue to individually immigrate to Israel today. There was never a point in history where a majority of world Jewry collectively migrated to the Land of Israel.
  • Many authorities understand the oath of "not ascending as a wall" as only including an immigration of the entire (or at least a majority of the) nation. Some of these authorities also require that this mass immigration be one of force in order for the oath to be considered violated. Among those who hold these positions are Isaiah Achron in his Piskei Ri'az, Bezalel Ashkenazi in his Shittah Mekubetzet, the MaharalJonathan EybeschutzYisroel ben Shmuel of Shklov and students of the Vilna GaonMeir Blumenfeld., and Yonah Dov Blumberg
  • .
  •  Similary, Baruch Epstein, in his Torah Temimah, understands the oath to only include a forceful mass immigration, and Ishtori Haparchi in his Kaftor Vaferach understands the oath to mean immigration with intent to conquer. Isaac Leon ibn Zur in his Megillat Ester on Nachmanides also understands the oath as prohibiting conquest.




83 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Three Oath Excuse

By Tzvi Fishman____ Arutz7

Where a Jew and a gentile are both bound by an oath, the violation by the gentile frees the Jew from his obligation! And more, even when there is no explicit obligation on the part of the gentile, a violation of his implicit obligation is enough to free the Jew from his. And this is seen in the words of the Ramban (Nachmanides) on the commandment (Deuteronomy 23:7), “You shall not seek their peace and their good [the Ammonites and the Moabites] all your days, forever.” Says the Ramban: “And the verse (also says, ibid., 2:9): ‘You shall not distress Moab, nor provoke war with them’ (and there appears to be a contradiction between the commandment not to go to war with them and not to seek their peace). If so, the verse ‘do not seek their peace’ commands us if we are fighting for a city that they themselves conquered (and which was not originally theirs) — or if they come to fight in our land then we are allowed to pursue them and capture their territories . . . and thus did David do to all the Ammonite cities because they broke the obligation first and fought us and therefore we are not obligated to call out in peace.”

Again, the rule is clear. The Jew is obligated by an oath? Fine; of course he must obey it — as long as the gentile obeys his oath. But when the gentile violates his obligation, the Jew is similarly freed from his.

Yes, there was an oath that the Jew was sworn to uphold — neither to go up by force en masse nor to rebel against the nations. But the All Mighty gave the nations their own oath, their own limitation: Do not enslave my people too much! What happened to this oath? It went up in flames in Auschwitz and in Kishinev and in the Crusades and with Chmielnicki and with the millions of Jewish dead and tortured and martyred. Every Jewish woman who was violated was a violation of the gentile’s oath. It went up in smoke in the gas chambers of every generation. The gentiles sneered at the oath and annulled it. The Jewish oath was tied to that of the gentile’s. When the one was ripped to shreds, the other died too.

There is no oath that the All Mighty forces on a people that suffered as we did at the hands of murderers and liars, too. Those who stay in the Galut are the hypocritical Pharisees of which the Talmud (Sotah 22) speaks. They are not in the impurities of America because of piety and sworn obligation. All these wrap themselves in an oath that died long ago in the blood of Jews. There is no oath except the one at Sinai that gave us a land of our own in which to live.

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Dusiznies said...

To Yidel
You obviously didn't read my introduction to the post
I will delete anyone who posts explaining the Satmar idiotic Shita
Post it on Al Jazeera

Melly Tinky Tupid said...

I understand the need for a forum to express this point of view on it's own, but it would be nice to see an intelligent discourse on the matter, as probable a degree of additional clarity would emerge.

Dusiznies said...

To melly
If you want an "intelligent discourse" read my blog
If you want to read an opposing view, I said I will not allow it on this thread... sorry
You can read the opposing view in Der Blaat, Der Yid, Dee Tzitung or Der Sturmer!

Melly Tinky Tupid said...

i want a discourse.

Dusiznies said...

To Melly
The reason, I want this thread to stand alone, is because in my experience, whenever there is this kind of discussion vis a vis The State of Israel,the pro-Satmar faction, dominate the entire discussion, and repeat the same thing over and over again, and alway want the last word.
This time, I want a one sided approach!
Even my Satmar friends just e-mailed that they think this was the right thing to do, at this time because of the Gaza war!

Melly Tinky Tupid said...

I respect your judgement call.

Anonymous said...

I know you will delete this but i want you to read this DIN: Stop accusing everyone else of hate and lashon harah when you do worse. Of course, you can understand (i hope if you know anything) that there is a difference between being religiously anti the state that to be pro arab. So stop with your hate and sinas chinam. And don't say I have. I have respect to the gedolim that had pro-israel shittos and i have respect for there shitos but that doesnt mean I may not quote other shittos that my particular rebbeim taught. You need to learn to respect others views too.

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Anonymous said...

Kol hakavod to you, my experience with this blog and its owner, can be explained in a few words, he is a selfish Baal midis megunos, add to that he is a 'polner aamhaaretz', quoting out of context, plus a major major SORE LOSER. Add on A LOSER bichlal, I should also mention he is 'ungefrresen' with deios kozvos.

Dusiznies said...

To Anon 7:01
You wrote:
" but that doesnt mean I may not quote other shittos that my particular rebbeim taught.
If that would have happened, I would have allowed it, but the anti-Zionist contingent always say that if your Pro_Zionist, then that's "Kefirah" or "against the Torah"
So I decided that in this thread, I'm not standing for this garbage..
there are many other blogs that u can post...
you don't have to read my blog ...
i dont make any money off this, I only do it ...to get stuff off my chest, if you read it fine, if you don't also fine!

Anonymous said...

Dear Yidel Warter ( & any other anti-Zionist, pro-Muslim mantra plappler that'll show up);

Don't quit your day job.It's not that you're the worst one here at Bryant Park midtown Manhattan standing on the milk crate, megaphone and posters hawking and vamping away your hoo-hah from time to time. Next to you are the "Ban the Bomb" loonies and I gotta admit you're better. But next to them are the "Chickens are Aliens" lunes and they're at least funny and entertaining. You're so serious and boring, no Shakespeare. Down near the gate is the guy with a "Herring is a GOP Plot" placard and he's been there for 30 years blabbing the same thing, and he's really entertaining. Further down , near the water fountain is the old lady with the " Stassen for President" sign and campaign button and she's hilarious, so don't quit your day job.
Actually, I'd like to use your protektzia to get my friend Harry Koolitzer a spot facing 5th Ave. and he'll grease your sweaty palms. A crate he has, an electric megaphone too ( look at him.... never thought he'd know how to turn the on/off switch even though he's in the 21th century) and a poster too. He's original because his shtick is a question to make the passersby work a little.

Here it is:

Why does kosher milk sour only after one day? His concern is for families who can't afford to throw away spoiled 3-hechshered cholov tzaddikim milk on the following morning. He'll be collecting for them. He already have a makeshift pushke.... a red derby ( borrowed from me) turned inside-out and a card stuck inside reading: Please... Only the kind that rustles, not the kind that jingles.
You know the type.... They throw in a nickel pretending it's a quarter and want you to entertain till you're hoarse. ( a little "horse" but a big jackass) Stupid, he's not, his mom didn't raise a fool.
Not that he's Shakespeare either but he doesn't have to be. Because he'll be hocking about something they care most about... the pocketbook and he expects a good crowd too.
Oh... before I forget... did I mention already that Rav Avraham, the son of Gaon of Vilna in his commentary on Tehillim 121 says that EY will be settled before Moshiach comes and the kibbutz will be done by Hashem only , but Moshiach will do the Gog and Magog? ( Oh man..!!! Imagine the sinah against us when Moshiach comes.... A world war with Gog.... How can he do that to us? So much sinah..!!! Maybe he should keep riding his donkey? Takke, maybe. Did I mention that the Radak in Hoshea brings a shita that Eliyahu Hanavi will do the kibbutz , NOT Moshiach? Moshiach will be the ROSH... whatever it means... Neither the Warter nor I know.... so what's the use of making machlokes?
Oh well, maybe another preacher with a soap box will take care of that some day.

You know where else you could blabb, now that I'm thinking about it?? In front of the White House in Lafayette Park where all human tape recorders with posters hock and even bring cots. Saw them last week..
Not for nothing, but there's an opening for a town crier for the afternoon shift
in my neck of the woods.
Requirements:
A) Loud strong voice
B) Doesn't get bored screaming the same slogans without emending a word, every day for 4 hours till shift ends or till the cows come home, whichever comes first.
C) Retirement pension at the end of 60 years. If you can prove that you've done your bull hoo-ha for a portion of that time ( and I believe you have) , they'll pro-rate accordingly.

If you're a good candidate and don't like your day job, I'll put in a good word for you . What the heck, one hand washes the other.

Cheers,
the Derby

Anonymous said...

To the Guy who loves the phrase Kol Hakavod & Deias kozvos. I believe you were here the other day kol hakavoding some Satmar guy with basically the same thing. You too, may join in Bryant Park , megaphoning and railing away holding a Kol Hakavod/ deis kozvos/ shteiging sign.. Enjoy it.. Kol Hakavod, ... Shteig away, and get off the Internet lest you'll become kalye and a farkrumtie, farpluntertie frummie... Caveat Emptor.. !

Derby..... en route to to get me a chocolate malted for cryin' out loud... They don't make 'em anymore but there must be ONE old candy store man that still makes it. Please help me out..

Anonymous said...

Well, if the real reason you dont want satmar (& litvish) comments, because they constantly repeat themselves, you hit the nail on the head, being that they (satmar & litvish) are right and representing the truth, the truth is always the same, thats why they keep on repeating the original unadulterated truth, the truth from Moshe kibeil Torah misinai, whereas you & your ilk change to the latest & fashionable tune, and try to fit the Torah to your liking.

Anonymous said...

'i dont make money off this', the reason being nobody (advertisers) arent offering you money for ads, realizing those ads would be a waste of good money, however your motives are much worse than making money, dont even try to fantasize you are fooling anybody, your motive is clear, to butress your deios kozvos, and even though you are not convincing anybody, you are trying to convince yourself, probably not succeeding, because those (satmar litvish)) comments blow your maskilish deios, to smithereens, and put doubts even into your krumkop.

Anonymous said...

There we go again, if & when anybody doesnt agree with your maskilish agenda, make cheap lutzanos of them, you are following in the footsteps of the reform & all the other maskilim, bechol shem vachnicha, of the doros olam, making fun and leitzanus of kol davar shebikdusha, just keep on doing this, youll get there, ledeiran ulcherpas olam.

Anonymous said...

Yidel Walters comments are a breath of fresh air, to those that are seeking the truth, by deleting his postings all you are doing is convincing even those that might be mesupek that maybe you are real, become convinced to the obvious conclusion, you are a ripoff con artist, with a reform agenda, afraid of the truth afraid of daas Torah amityis, ki yashrim darkei hashem vetzadikim yeilchu baam uposhim yukashlu baam..

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Anonymous said...

yidelfarter

Anonymous said...

Bravo reb yidel bravo, ein yisroel nigalun elo bizchus natruno, may we be zoche lebias moshiach bimheiro beyomeinu amein.

Anonymous said...

Gevaltig! When you realize people arent biting your bait & apikorsus, just try with leitzanus, mechane shem lechveiro, that might do the job,how transparent your kavana is how obvious it is for everybody (besides you), that when you get to 'shach mat', having exhausted your energh in vain, midos megunos take you over, and the avriros shel bein Adam lachaveiro begin in Ernest, sorry it aint gonna work, you are just cornering yourself.

Anonymous said...

Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaCohen Kook (Igrot Riyah, Letter 96):

“The foundation of the exile, and the baseness which continues to proliferate in this world, stem from the lack of understanding of Eretz Yisrael, its sublime value and wisdom, and from not rectifying the sin of the Spies who spoke disparagingly about the Land. We are called upon to do the opposite - to speak her praises and herald her magnificence and glory, her holiness and honor. We can only hope that after all our praises, we merit to express even one iota of the proper transcendental desire due to “the Land of delight,” to the splendor of her illuminating Torah, to the genius of her illuminating wisdom, and to the Divine Inspiration which hovers upon her.”

Anonymous said...

Arvach arva tzarich, in his life, he was considered, by ninety nine percent of ehrlichre rabonim, a Shana uperish, with deios koxvos imselofus.

Anonymous said...

2.50
You're a disgusting shaygetz. He was the biggest tzaddik of them all. Who r u to judge u filthy hog.

Anonymous said...

to 2:50
Even a poroh adumah can't clean ur stinking filthy mouth. Crawl back to where your mother spat you out.

Anonymous said...

You are trying to rewrite history, Orwell 1984, wont work, in his lifetime all chacmei yerushlayim veretz yisroel, also rabbonei chutz laaretz, considered him as a Shana uperash, the munkatsh rebbe said he is merumaz in the mishna reish perrk beis dshabbos, velo beshemen 'kuk', ubeyerushalmi, Kuk' zeh oif taame.

Anonymous said...

Munkatcher rebbe? The one that had the Belzer rebbe thrown out of Munkatch? rodeph? Bal machlokes? U 've no idea what this guy did in Munkatch.
Who cares what he spat out?
The finest Jews were Rav Kook's talmidim. You were told to back to where ur mother spat u out.

Anonymous said...

Nivul peh aint going to help you, just shows thant you cant stand the thought of being proven wrong, and that brings out your internal insecurities, you need proffesional help, its not 'my' opinion on Kuk', its the opinion of 99 percent of gedolei yisroel in his lifetime, since then he was ressurected by the zionists and their ilk, but again whithin his lifetime he was considered a 'megaleh panim betorah shelo kehalacha, im just repeating the daas Torah of the gedolim that knew him intimatly.

Anonymous said...

Jewish communal life and politics in Munkacs between the world wars were dominated by the imposing presence of Rabbi Hayyim Eleazar Shapira, the leader of the Munkacs Hasidim and chief rabbi of Munkacs. Rabbi Shapira led a fierce and successful campaign to force Rabbi Issachar Dov Rokeah, the leader of the Belzer Hasidim, out of Munkacs. Rokeah had fled to Munkacs from Belz, Poland, during World War I.
From Keren-Kratz book on Munkacz and wait for his new book on Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum and the Holcaust.
Crawl back to where your mother spat you out.

Anonymous said...

Even though im not from munkatsh, or even from the same cheder, being from a complete &different background, I know enough (having learned many of his sefarim), he was a geon hageonim rav harabonim, Rosh hamedabrim bechol.makom, besides, this was the opinion of ruba deruba of gedolei yisroel, who warned him not to be mishtadel to become rav harashi, etc etc. and ad hayom od lo alman yisroel, erliche yidden who are not nitfas braayon hatzioni, dont quote him dont touch his chiburim, just like sifrei minus vaapikorsus.

Anonymous said...

99% were incorrect and Rav Kook was one of a generation. He was the biggest tzaddik and on a level the lowly people couldn't understand. You need to watch your pig mouth because you're too tumei and filthy to even mention Rav Kook's name. All your guys was so wrong and you guys are jealous and envious because of his Zionism and how it came to be true. You're in a matzav of doubt and sfeikus about your hashkofo because everything the 99% believed are contrary to reality. You can't stand the truth and that's why you guys hate this great tzaddik.Rav Kook never spoke the loshon horoa and didn't have any sineh to another yid like so mnayof ur 99%.
Almost everything he said has come true in Israel and you hags can't take it. You're so full of hate and rishas against the holy land beause of it. You keep throwing your evil poison but it won't help you. Look at the holy State of Israel and how it's grown . It denies your hashkofo and belief in the 99% , doesn't it?? Look in the mirror and see how pitiful and worn out you look, all of you.

Anonymous said...

lo alman yisroel is right. We have gedolei yisrael who love Israel and they are our guiding light. Not the ones whose prophecies didn't come tre. Not the Spies.

Anonymous said...

Your info. About the munkatsh rebbe is from those sources that are zionists or zionist leaning, I was zoche to know people who knew him personaly, so forget what you read or hear, totally biased. Besides the munkatsh rebbi was just one of all the hundreds of ehrliche rebbes & rabbonim who considered him posul, treif, chazer treif, (a kosher chazer fisil), him being a Shana upeirash.

Anonymous said...

Accept it. Rav Kook and the other who loved Zion were right. They taught tolerance and love. Your boys were and are haters whether their litvish or chasidish. Your Auerbach, for example, is a deranged lunatic that's causing such chillul Hashem. such shame and you'r going off on the greatest tzaddik of out times Rav Kook. He was right.The medinah is beautiful and functioning B"H. Your sad and tired garbage was, and is wrong. Too bad you chose the wrong side.

Anonymous said...

Don't touch chirubem either , skunk. Shut your pig snout and take a bath.Your guy chased away the Belzer Rebbe and read Kratz's book and be enlightened. I have the book and the dirty laundry is out.

Anonymous said...

No no, ahavas yisroel or ahavas eretz yisroel does not mean to say whats popular, there is a tnai kodem lemaaseh, vayiten lohem artzos goyim, baavur yishmeru chukov vetorosav yintzaru, its just the opposite those that always find chesronos on ehrliche yidden and at same time mechape on kol aveiros of the zionists, they are the sonei haaretz sonei yisroel, velo thaki haaretz eschem kaasher kaa vechulho, all the aveiros that are being done in eretz yisroel, and there are very many, including avoda zara giluy araious shefichas damim, are being done on the cheshbon of 'kuk', do him a favor and dont be meorer dinim on him, he is beolam haemes and recieving his just onshim, ahavas eretz yisroel means the kedusha and hisromemus of e.y. And guarding it to stay holy, unfortunatley retzia bisha is on most if eretz yisroel & the zionists arent even in e.y.

Anonymous said...

Just keep on calling names, nivul peh, your inner techunas hanefesh is coming in all its glory, definitely the one that uses the dirtiest words & the most foul language is the one thats right............... If thats the litmus test YOU WIN.

Anonymous said...

Right not what's popular. Not what's popular with the sinah crowd and you who have such kinah for the success of our beloved medinah despite your 99. Kinah and sinah because its existence bashes your haskofo nad mislearned chazals and midrashim. Kinah that knows no bounds. Rav Kook was the greatest as were othe Zionist loving rabbis and plain Jews who gave their lives to build as G-D ordered. You want to tear it down chas veshalom because you are so wrong and you know it. You can't abide it therefore you're like the Mitztiyem who themselves felt disgusted at themselves when they saw success in bnei Yisroel. You are therefore the erev rav, the multitudes who really hate yiddishkeit. You're sick at the great Zionist hatzlocho and it kills you. Poor baby.

Anonymous said...

Final warning. Be very very careful how you talk about Rav Kook. Be forewarned and repent. Be very fearful of what you say.
Your nefesh is poisoned and rotten. Your mehus is satan himself. Your soul is darkness and evil full of envy kinah and hate because you see that you were wrong. You know it in your dark evil heart. It bothers you so much you can't think straight . You are fighting G-D himself when you deny Israel. You're a Frum Hamasnik.

Anonymous said...

you call this hatzlacha, oif ale siinei yisroel gezugt, ein loch yom shein kilaloso merube mushel chavero, besides we (at least I) are talking about the halacha, dont try to evade the diyun, how can anybody who has the minimum yiras hashem even have a hava amina, that hashem is with the Israeli army, making nisim, vehakasuv tzavach VELO YIREH BECHA ERVAS DAVAR VESHAV MEACHRECHA,

Anonymous said...

KUK, was considered a maskil by all gedoilei yisroel, he was warned not to come to yerushalyim, he was the flagbearer of the maskilim zionists, even though he was a talmid chacham, that was all the worse, the gedolim sent him a message that he will be zoche to olam haba if he shmads and converts to any other religion, Muslim catholic Christian, because unfortunately by practicing his version if judaism he is a machty es horabim, abd how right they were.

Anonymous said...

Halo mesanecha hashem esnah ubiskomemecha eskotot,, KUK was a megaleh panim betorah shelo kehalacha being a MATIR ASURIM, anything his zionist bosses wanted he was matir, he was machti es horabim in a way that can compete with yeravam Ben nevat, maybe even more, veadayan meraked beineinu, hashem yerachem.

Anonymous said...

Why do you only mention giluy arayos, the medinah and the idf, have on their cheshbon on a daily basis kol aveiros shebetora, bichlal giluy araios is also coddling gays, avodah zara preserving & guarding churches mosques if all faiths, shefichas damim, sending soldiers to their,deaths without urim vetumim, just to name few.

Dusiznies said...

To 10:58 & 11:07
I'm in midst of writing a short bio with scanned documents showing Gedoilie Yisroel includin Rav Issar Zaman Meltzer supporting the Gaon & Tzaddik Harav Avraham Yitzchok Kook Z"L, I will post it very soon on the site..
There is no Hell hot enough for the likes of you, but maybe it's not your fault, your Rabbaim, who brainwashed you will keep you company in hell!

Anonymous said...

Ehrliche yidden are even makpid not to learn in sefarim that mosad rav kook publishes whenever possible, velo yidbak beyodcha min hacherem, &of course never ever look into his books, they are considered siffei mirus sefer shekosvo miin.

Anonymous said...

You have a chazaka to write shekarim, quote out of context, nobody believes you anyway, hagaon harav meltzer might have written about KOOK before shenisgale kelono berabim, like some other rabbonom, sof pasuk, ALL erliche rabbonim didnt want any kesher with that Shana upeirush megalei panim beTorah.

Anonymous said...

Write all you want, KOOK in the beginning had some rabbonim that at that time didnt yet know that he was NECHMATZ, so you can find some nice titles on him, however it didnt take long, and nisgaleh klono brabim, shshana upeirush, and he went diwn in history as a chitei umachtives hieabim, beofan geromo he is liable for the aveiros that are being done ad hayom,, bidei shomayim geromo is chayov, he will never come out of geihinom, if you have pity ir symphaty for him, do him a favor, and stop sticking up for him, so at least he will not get an onesh because of you.

Anonymous said...

No question about this, that you are adding to your geihinom with your every word & comment on your blog, it really seems to any reasonable reader that you are bibchinas 'yodea ribono umchaven limrod bo.

Anonymous said...

I totaly agree to the last comment, the blog editor is a mezid uposhea, a biased selfish krume kopf, towing the zionist line & becoming entangled & twisted kchavlei avosos chataa.

Anonymous said...

Its interesting how can anybody with yiras hashem & a bit of common sense be a meilutz yosher on the medinah, look at their history from day one, akiras hadas, redifas hadas, day by day, sinas hadas, sinas shomrei velomdei Torah, sinas kol davar shebikdusha, nituchei meisim, giyus bonos, giyus bnei yeshivos, mixed swimming (pools & beaches), digging up kivrei yisroel, over 2 million yehudim that dont even know what shema yisroel is, etc etc, and this blog operator has only kind words & limydei zechus, at the same time he cant find a good word or deed on the ehrliche litvish satmar etc who disagree with his farkrumte version of yiddishkeit.

Anonymous said...

Well,what a riot here by a one-man stink bomb.
An obviously yeshivisher tinnuf blogger going crazy posting post after post his brainwashed garbage and bizoyen of a great tzaddik.He's an apostate Jew and apikorus of the first order, so please nobody pay his rants and raves any mind. What's worse is that every third phrase are Torah words that he's trying hard to impress to support his tamei drashas. Satmer ( and many, many of them are laughing and quietly turning their back on Satmer,many leaving the derech because they weren't taught Torah except to hate another Jew and to cuse him if he's a Zionist , disbelieving the garbage they were taught, unlike the Litvish Malaga addicts who buy into every words that was pounded into them) and litvish tinnuf goons are spreading their stink here and all over the Internet. They're Korach thugs who know a little Torah and have drawn Sanhedrin with them and want to destroy those of us who love and believe in Israel but they'll lose because Israel is in their face anyway and mocking them every moment. Yes, the great State mocks them and this causes them to foam and froth at the mouth with anger and hate. Just read this ux's stuff.... You can just see his eyes bulging out of their sockets, his veins pushing out of his forehead and his lips blue with murdereous sinah and bile. He and his ilk lost... We won... Hodu laShem.... Sing and dance yiddelech... He's a rabid infected dog who thinks that by bringing in his "majority of 99%" ( which isn't true, there were so many who disagreed with their meraglim shitta) he'll convince anybody. Much of his 99 were burned in Treblinka because they stayed and listened.... As someone pointed out R' Aviner's words, Those who didn't believe in the 3 shvuos were saved in Israel, those that followed the Satmar shitta were killed... His memre'lech don't include an obvious d'oireiseh that every bal koreh knows by heart.. " Lo Tiyah Acharei Rabim L'raos. "
Judaisn is not impressed with solely a 99 majority because since when is truth judged by a majority anyway? ( again, it's not a majority , but a bunch of Tziyoin haters who despise the land that Hashem loves an made the most noise since the 1930s till the present.. These thugs are worse than or Yerovam ben Nevot who at least loved the Holy Land.. Folks, you went to cheder... 99 of the meraglim caused a bechiya ledorot and a tiny titchku, titchku minority... Calev and Yehoshua were right... So do we ehrliche Yidden ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, listen to a majority if it's kfirah, sheker and loshon hara? Do we???? NEVER... NEVER and NEVER AGAIN...The majority could go bad and often does. Don't be impressed by this guy's numbers or whose deah he brings... Hold fast yiddelech.. !!! Yiddelech... !! Despite a little hiccup here and there Hashem is protecting the State through open nissim that these sitrah achrah infested dovor achars can't see , nor hear nor feel, nor believe...

Derby, en route for a few days mini-vacation and will have more to say if this tinoifes shows up later in the week.

Anonymous said...

I've already written about the bird Ra'ah in this past week's parsha and Rabbeinu Bachaya's pshat on it. This bird which has extraordinary vision, says, R' Bachaya, looks into Eretz Yisroel and sees only nevala, neveilus and carcasses and that's why it's tamei and not kosher. This ra'ah above only sees nevala by some , who are in any case considered for the most part tinokim shenishbu . He doean't see Yiddishe farmers being moser nefesh in a shmittah year, nor sees the the mosdos hatorah, the mekomos hakdoshim, the mesiras nefesh of even secularists of davka settling in EY despite what's going on, nor sees the bounty and hatzlacha of the country al pi nissim gluyim, nor sees the myriad bli eyn h.... of Yidden davening every day and living there al pi halacha, bocharim and bacharos spending years from America to learn there and learn to love the land. The great excitement of these teens who carry these memories with them forever. This ra'ah doesn't see all that. .. This ra'ah, morei verabosei, is a tamei creature d' oireisuh.
This ra'ah, is known as a day'u and ay'u is written in the posuk so as to protect us from their tziv'oinishe sheker that they clothe themselves as talmidei chachamim and so on... They want us to believe that they're dayu's and ayu's, but they're in fact the same ra'ah, the treif predator bird.

Derby

Anonymous said...

One more thing....

Shomron was built by Omri, a king who was "more wicked than all those before him" (ibid 16:25). Despite his wickedness, Omri managed to pass the throne to his son and then to his grandson -- three generations -- certainly outside the norm for malchei Yisrael. Why did Omri merit such a special reward? Chazal answer (Sanhedrin 102b) that it was because he built this new city of Shomron and thereby fulfilled the mitzvah of yishuv Eretz Yisrael. Omri may have built Shomron for his own personal gain, to serve as his capital city; Omri may have done everything else wrong in his life; yet, Omri's family was zocheh to retain the throne because he dedicated himself to the mitzvah of yishuv ha'aretz. Rav Teichtel in his Aim haBanim Smeicha (p. 61 in the new edition) writes that we can derive from here not to discount or dismiss the contributions to yishuv ha'aretz of those who are notreligious (see the explanation he quotes from R' Yosef Engel as to how Omri's reward was midah k'neged midah). Is the chiloni or chofshi zionist who puts his strength into building and protecting our country any worse or any less deserving of credit than the wicked Omri? (Consider this a belated Yom haAtzmaut post.)

Derby, quoting Divrei Chaim website.

It should be noted that this Omri who was rewarded , davka and b'meizid had sex with his own mother. So this ra'ah above has no direct line to heaven for his little parasitic mind to understand the ways of Hakodosh Boruch Hu.

Anonymous said...

anon 12:40

Your words are fitting for a ben-zonah and mamzer.

Derby

Anonymous said...

Hey ra'ah..!!!!


Why are you on the Internet when your 99 of Litvish/Satmar gangs assered it??? What kind of foul hypocrate are you? Didn't you have to prove in Lakewwood and Brisk that you don't own an iPhone before selling your chametz to their extortionist rabbis?
How do you have the culliones to be here hour after hour, be mevatel Torah and give us mussar and loshon hara? What happened that you became such a farkrumte meragel OTD who was once a shtikel Talmid Chochom litvak and dupa ( Polish for backside)-kissing Satmar fawner, and posts with such hefkeirus yet? Weren't you at the asifeh vs. the Net??
Why are you a shanne uporeish and showing off your litvish ptcha "gala or galarita" farkilte fiss here? We're not stupid,we see it's your litvish chazzzzzzzer fisssssssel befarhesyeh.... We know you're not a maaleh gera so don't show us your falkilte fisslach pretending you're bechezkas kashrus. Lemme see you chew gum and show off your fissel simultaneously... Ha.. I knew it.. You have no ruminant stomach but wanna show kashrus.. Why are you disobeying your rabbonim and browsing a perverse Internet ??? Who gave you the heter to be here, tzaddikel??


Derby, on a roll....

Anonymous said...

As mentioned above this blogger is muchzak as a shakran and quoting out of context etc. how dare you quote rav teichtal, who wrote his 'eim habanim' under duress, after being promised that in turn they (the zionist rotzchim) will save his life, (a promise they didnt keep), see his sefer shut mishna sochur, that in real life he was a fervent anti zionist, being a heiser munkatch chassid, writing with the satmar rebbe, byt as usual you write out of context, the true facts dont matter to you, only your madkilish agenda is of relevance to you. Of course you have no answer to all the comments that were put before you, and yiur reply is 'taano bechitin vehodu lo bisorin, your shtussim arent really worth the data count, LOSER, you might as well give up and admit yiu are a phoney baloney full of hot air (deios kozvos, sifrei minim noshros mitoch cheiko). were all realizing, alecha omru, Al taan ksil keuvalto. Vedaa ma shetashuv leapikores.

Anonymous said...

to 12:49 answering 12:44..

You're one and the same... You proved my point that you're a ra'ah. Day'h and Ayu... Unbelievable... All these posts are you and pretending you're different people to make it sound like so many support you.
Boy, I read you right.. See folks??? He' OK-ing himself this day'u, just like I wrote. He's not only a shanne uporeish rebelling against his Lakewood ban on Internet, he's also a liar and pretender...
All's not lost however. Drink a cold Lithuanian borscht with a pinch of cinnamon and beiss tzooo with a Latvian kichel... You'll feel better..
Derby, gotta go....

Unbelievable.... Hakol kol Yaakov, vehayudaim.........

Anonymous said...

Its rather derby 'eating bacon on a roll'...................

Anonymous said...

Of course you are a know it all with powers of ESP etc. say what you want, all you can answer is nivul peh, mechane shem lachveiro etc etc, so lets just add to your Maalos', aam haaretz midoraisa, umidrabanan, in addition to all the beforementioned character deficiencies. Olecha amru chazal 'moridin velo maalin'.

Anonymous said...

100% correct, we are the hakol kol yaakov, whereas you are seifa dekra Vehayadayim ydei eisav,, why dont you go join the idf and instead of being mekayem ydei eisav thru your poisonous fingers typing apikorsus, join your beloved rotzchim beoiel mmamash.

Anonymous said...

He changed his mind since Mishne Sochur, I have it in my house, and now you're attacking Rav Teichtal, zeicher tzaddik livrocho, Hashem Yimkom Domo... you thug.... !!! He totally and forever rejected the ugly
Munkcazer shitta... Any revisionist history by you is sheker..... His sefer kadosh has been translated by Rabbi Moshe Lichtman in English and has sold out twice,.. Boruch Hashem. I have to go now, but I'll catch up to you.. You're not getting away with this you Internet chazzer fissssel...

Yes, I DARE quote the holy Rav Teichtal... Yes, I DO admire the holy Rav Kook... Yes, I DO call your Kotler an extortionist... Yes.. ...Yes,, I DO call R' Yoilish an ingrate and causer of sineh and machlokes and a book Al Hagulah full of revision and fiction..... Yes, I DO recall the Satmar harassment of Jews in WIlly and elsewhere.. Yes I DO protest the litvish dupa-kissing of a horrible shitta and brainwashing thousands. Yes I DO call Auerbach, whose father was a tzaddik a wild-eyed lunatic whose eyes don't sit well in his farkrumte head.... Yes. Yes.. Yes.. I DO plead ' GUILTY" to the above... GUILTY as charged... Yes I do....


DERBY.....

Anonymous said...

WHY ARE YOU DEFYING YOUR GEDOLIM AND SURFING THE INTERNET, LITVAK FISSEL.... WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Derby

Anonymous said...

As I mentioned, you dont (because you cant) repudiate the true words of wisdom of your critics, all you do is maale geira your out of context quotes and freechoose which girsa to believe, (what rav teichtal believed his whole long life is baateil in yiur krum maskilish mind against his one time endeavor to try & and save his life, according to you the zionists are right in their avida zarah, its mefurash in the Torah 'vaavadtem eloim acherim', quote unquote, & with you fardreita krumkop, im sure you will find kaein zeh on all 'tiavisom', bechol ofan Alecha amar jera 'uposhim yikashlu bom'. Im not even going to comment on your nivul peh 'es mi cheraftu', because 'hakol lfi hamvayesh', how appropriate is the teitsh of rabbeinu yonah in sefer shaarei tshuva, Marshia tzaddik umatzdik rasha', toavas hashem gam sheneihem, mamash you & your ilk, melameid zechus on rreshaim gemurim ichlei hasheketz vehachazir, umarshia tzaddik, cant find anything good by the tzaddikim gemurim, alecha amru chazal 'yovo Baal hakerem veyechale es kotzov, vealecha amar shlomo hamelech, hafoch reshaim veeinam ubaus tzaddikim yaamod, we already bentched Rosh chodesh elul, and are thus reminded of the tefilah 'ki saavir memsheles zadon min haaretz, umalah kol haaretz deiah es hashem kamayim layom mechasim.

Dusiznies said...

To my readers
Last week I met a friend of mine, a farbrente Satmar Chasid,so I asked him, "maybe the Rebbe was wrong?"
"Nope, he was never wrong!"
So I asked him didnt't the Satmar Rebbe say that the Americans were never on the moon?
So he says, well yes, in that he made a "ta'us"
So I said, maybe just like he was obviously wrong about WW2 and wrong about the landing of the moon, maybe just maybe, he was wrong about Israel?
He said.... "ok, pass me the kugel"

Anonymous said...

Satmar rav didnt say that men wont reach the moon, on his own hasharah, he quoted the geon hageonim the Baal urim vetumim, in his sefer yaaros devash! But of course you have no problem with that either, nobody counts, nobody is indisputable, you are just like the seculatists, either something is proven to you black on white, ir you dont believe it, avda amuna nichrasa mipihem, just like all the kofrim minim & apikorsim of all the previous doros. We on the other hand, have amunas hashem, amunas tzaddikim, & when a authentic gadol says something we dont understand, then we still.are mekabel beaimah veyirah devarov, only its exaclty that, 'we' dont understand, knowing the tzadikim ugedolim know much much more than we, sometimes by sod hashem lirayov, there us basically one tnaiy, he should not say something that is against a davar hamekubal ledoros, whereas you have no problem with haskala hischadshus, on the contrary you have a problem with the gedolim who dont change their minds as often as a guy changes his socks. Vehaksuv tzavach, im lo seidee loch hayafa banashim tzei loch beukvay hatzon uree es gediyisayich Al mishkenos haraim.

Anonymous said...

As always you know it all, you know im a lutvak, you know it all, phoney baloney, the issur is davka because you & bedomeh you, who are a sakanah to temimey nefesh, with your apikorsus, sheker, leitzanus, motzi shem raa, onaa, lashon Hora, mesaper achar mitoson shel tzaddikim, nivul peh, etc.

Anonymous said...

Afra lepumei, indicating that'HE' understands better than all the tanaim amoraim geonim rishonim veachronim, they didnt have ahavas eretz yisroel, only the chalutzim poshei yisroel had the right amount of ahavas eretz yisroel, a thousand krios wont suffice, his words are pure kefirah, megaleh panim betorah, being said with gaavah.

Anonymous said...

Eretz yisroel has grown?, ezkerah elokim veehemoya birosi kol eer Al tila benuyah veir hoelokim mushpeles ad sheoil tachtiyah, see pri megadim siman 581 beshem rav gershon begashmios it grew but beruchnius unfortunately its bushfal hamatzav, there never was a time that such a large % of yehudim are porkei ol Torah umitzvos, kofrim bahashem uvatorah.

Anonymous said...

R aviner, sorry totally wrong, listen to rabbi Avigdor Millers drasha about the shoa, tha matzav ruchni in the lita,Poland Galicia, was terrible, and in those countries the shoa was longer in time, &also many more lives were lost, than in Hungary Romania chekslovakia, where the zionists had very very little hashpoa, and therefore the shoa lasted a few months and a much smaller percentage was killed, but even one nefesh is one too many, vekivan shenitan reshus lemashchis eino mavchin bein tzaddik lerasha.

Anonymous said...

What a shame, to say such childish stupid stuff, a tzaddik vegaon who kol yamav said & held & printed his daas Torah, to say that,what he wrote in a matzav of yotze bekolar lehoreg, that he then was chozer of all that, come on you really dont believe that, sinah mekalkeles es hashirah.bbq

Dusiznies said...

To 4:40
So you r also saying that men never landed on the moon?
Because Reb Hertz Frankel when he wrote the bio of the Satmar Rav called "The Principal " said that He couldn't really understand how the Satmar Rebbe could make such an outrageous denial of something that was so obvious!

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Anonymous said...

Not I & not the satmar rav said that, the holy reb yonasan eibshutz said that, by the way classical 'derby on a bacon roll', cutting and pasting to your hearts content, if you quote rabbi frankl, finding one quote to your taste,(im not convinced), why dont you also quote his other hundreds of quotes by him about how he held him to be the gadol hador,, in Torah avodah gemilas chasodim, kedusha tahara chachma veod veod, of course that wont do, jyst quoting out of context that will do.

Anonymous said...

Hey 'derby on a bacon roll' (I kinda like that quip), you really dont get it, its quite the opposite of what you are suggesting, the commentator is the one thats saying that rav tiechtal is a holy tzaddik, vechi teima what about the apikorsus in the book called 'eim habanim'?, yesh letaretz, vechen haemes, he wrote that under duress, believing the zionist rotzchim will keep their part of the agreement & spare his life, & he did it Al pi Torah, pikuach nefesh doche rubei dinei Torah, no question that 2 things also went thru his feverish mind, 1) if indeed he will survive the holocaust he will then explain for all to know the dire circumstance he was in at the time, 2) & if CV hell perish Al kidush hashem,he was sure anybody who has & uses his common sense would understand that what somebody says & does in such a matzav is irrelevant, & his name will stay pure.

Anonymous said...

There is a cleat picture of this site, if you disagree with 'derby', plus you make sense, rest assured your comment will deleted, if on the other hand you agree to his deos kozvos, & katnus hamochin then your comment will stay, & be prominently displayed, rabbotai, its time to move on, and leave this guy to himself

Anonymous said...

This is classic 'derby on a bacon roll', quoting Rabbi frankl OUT OF CONTEXT, implying that Rabbi frankl said thise words in a derogatory way, its so far from the truth, see the original words in his book, where he wrote this in a beautiful aura of derech eretz, but that is the glue & the fiber of 'derby', lies lies & lies, again & again, rinse repeat & again & again, you are so see through more so than a clear plastic tablecloth, quit trying to impose your deos kozvos & lies, forget about your LOYAL FOLLOWERS, you have very few if any. Im amazed that after bombarding this blog with your bellyache shtussim, ubenosaf that the satmar litvish dont have the Web access mostly, there seems to be a consensus among the commentators here in unproportinate numbers who disagree with practically every article & opinion voiced by 'derby on a bacon roll'. Techzano yodeichem utni kavid leelokay yisroel.

Anonymous said...

Just keep up deleting comments that disprove your every word you utter, how manly you are, what a sign of masculinity that is,

Anonymous said...


Litvak fissel:
Please see my response to your harangue on the Moran Rosh Hagolah Harav Kook ZT"L
topic on this blog. I didn't write anything about Frankel here, I was away, but sine you mention him, I'll tag him also.

Anonymous said...

This Mara shchora derby eating a bacon roll rant is classic din, throwing in dimyinos evil dreams etc. otd in Lakewood satmar is miniscule compared to whats happening in your mo communities, further more in brisk its non existent, also kvod hatorah kvod talmidey chachamin & bitul daas yachid vetalmid neged daas Torah is at the highest level in yeshivish litvish & satmar circles, ranting spewing your dark dimyonos & your Mara shechora only convince those few, (& it sure looks like there are very very few) hard core(pun intended) deranged otd that they too should abandon you & your stale self serving blog, sorry, we all know & understand that you've given it your best (which is unacceptable) your IQ & your level of intellect is wanting, you are just not made for this, a low (very low) moral fiber & middos megunos just dont make the grade, even including that you really really put in a strong effort cutting & pasting misquoting and quoting out of context to the best of your abilities,doesnt help, you are see through, you aint fooling anybody, your every post just entangles you further & deeper into your Web of lies, so there you have it, without having to spend a fortune, without having to spend years on a psychiatrists couch, you have a clear & consice evaluation, use it to your benefit, & realize you'll never make nor fake it, so long & good riddance.

Anonymous said...

About 4;10 am....


Obviously, he's a chronically depressed, angry and disturbed individual for some personal reason.
You've also mixed me up with other posters and put quotes in my name. I'm not affiliated with DIN .. I'm myself and sign everything I write..
For those who know who he is, the discussion shouldn't be whether he should or shouldn't get an aliyah in shul, the discussion should be how to prevent him from walking into a mokom kadosh lchatchila and lechalutin.

Bli neder, I'm mischayev myself to be menader kach v'kach helping the expense of hiring 3 shtarke illegals to drag him home forcibly when he attempts to be metamei the shul. Not that he'll go easy.... He'll claw, bite, shriek while he's being dragged, his tzitzis ( to show off the vereesem oso) flying and thrashing about.
the Derby... Cheers... have a great day today and better one tomorrow..