Advocating Herzl’s plan to establish a Jewish government without Messiach is in violation with 2 of the 13 principles of the Jewish religion 1) . Hashem punishes, 2). Waiting for Meshiach, 1) It is important to remember that Jewish Sovereignty over Eretz Yisroel is CONDITIONAL!!!!
2) It so happened that in the covenant of Hashem with our father Abraham it was agreed that the punishment for violating the Jewish faith, would be Exile/Gules,
3) Hashem told us thru our NeVeim that the redemption of the Jewish people will be by Mesihach. 4) The Amoira Shmuel the biggest Poisek in his Generation says: That Hashems decree on us to WAIT for Meshiach, is meant for Mesihachs SOLE ACTION to Restore A Jewish Sovereignty and to reestablish a government ,""all other attributes to Meshiach can be (and are)disputed"", 5) The Rambam brings down LeHalucha the words of Shmuel as impartial: “Umri Chacumim” and states that who ever does not WAIT for Mushiach (as described by Shmuel) is an Apikoires 6) The ReShab Writes a warning for our days : "That even if the Hertzel plan would achieve their goal, we must not listen to them in this matter "to make our redemptionwith our own power". 7) So any one who is ONLY in the OPINION that Meshiachs JOB may be achieved without him, is JUST Not waiting for him and is an Apikoires , and The punishment for contemplating the Herzel plan is pre warned, Please be open minded by joining the Satmers in prayers, that Hashem should not punish us again, because of those who are actively Non-Waiters
To Yidel Warter You are parroting the Satmar Shitah which has been proven wrong by the fact that the State of Israel exists, and has more תורה being learned in the Zionist State then ever in the entire Jewish history, Also we are now seeing openly the קיבוץ גליות. We are watching anti-Semitism all around the world , which G-d is doing so that all Jews come home Every one of your points will be rebutted in a future post of mine...
Hashems tolerance of human behavior collaboratively or individually is ONLY to let them exercise their Free Will, it does not indicate nor vindicate Right or Wrongs
So-called Yidel, Halevei other frummies had the mesiras nefesh of Herzl. He was a man who felt the pain of the pogromized Jews and wanted to do something about it. He died young from heart failure. He had the the support of many orthodox rabbis including the great R' Nissenbaum. There is much to be said about how even chassidish Jews flocked to his cause but were reprimanded by their leaders. Herzl achieved and was a success. You have a problem because Hashem worked through Herzl and not through those that preached against him but left their flock when the fire burned and they themselves escaped? Then stew in it. It won't help you because today is Yom Haatzmout. Living proof on whose side Hashem is on. Don't bring up Satmar because I have much to say about them , and I will if you bring them (him) up again.
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Well, that's nice to see for a change. Kol Hakavod to those standing and remembering.
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Advocating Herzl’s plan to establish a Jewish government without Messiach is in violation with 2 of the 13 principles of the Jewish religion 1) . Hashem punishes, 2). Waiting for Meshiach,
1) It is important to remember that Jewish Sovereignty over Eretz Yisroel is CONDITIONAL!!!!
2) It so happened that in the covenant of Hashem with our father Abraham it was agreed that the
punishment for violating the Jewish faith, would be Exile/Gules,
3) Hashem told us thru our NeVeim that the redemption of the Jewish people will be by
Mesihach.
4) The Amoira Shmuel the biggest Poisek in his Generation says: That Hashems decree on us to WAIT
for Meshiach, is meant for Mesihachs SOLE ACTION to Restore A Jewish Sovereignty and to reestablish
a government ,""all other attributes to Meshiach can be (and are)disputed"",
5) The Rambam brings down LeHalucha the words of Shmuel as impartial: “Umri Chacumim” and states that
who ever does not WAIT for Mushiach (as described by Shmuel) is an Apikoires
6) The ReShab Writes a warning for our days : "That even if the Hertzel plan would achieve their
goal, we must not listen to them in this matter "to make our redemptionwith our own power".
7) So any one who is ONLY in the OPINION that Meshiachs JOB may be achieved without him, is JUST
Not waiting for him and is an Apikoires , and The punishment for contemplating the Herzel plan is pre warned,
Please be open minded by joining the Satmers in prayers, that Hashem should not punish us again, because of those who are actively Non-Waiters
To Yidel Warter
You are parroting the Satmar Shitah which has been proven wrong by the fact that the State of Israel exists, and has more תורה being learned in the Zionist State then ever in the entire Jewish history,
Also we are now seeing openly the קיבוץ גליות. We are watching anti-Semitism all around the world , which G-d is doing so that all Jews come home
Every one of your points will be rebutted in a future post of mine...
Hashems tolerance of human behavior collaboratively or individually is ONLY to let them exercise their Free Will, it does not indicate nor vindicate Right or Wrongs
So-called Yidel,
Halevei other frummies had the mesiras nefesh of Herzl. He was a man who felt the pain of the pogromized Jews and wanted to do something about it. He died young from heart failure. He had the the support of many orthodox rabbis including the great R' Nissenbaum. There is much to be said about how even chassidish Jews flocked to his cause but were reprimanded by their leaders.
Herzl achieved and was a success. You have a problem because Hashem worked through Herzl and not through those that preached against him but left their flock when the fire burned and they themselves escaped? Then stew in it. It won't help you because today is Yom Haatzmout. Living proof on whose side Hashem is on.
Don't bring up Satmar because I have much to say about them , and I will if you bring them (him) up again.
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