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Friday, July 15, 2016

Gerer Rebbe punishes father of suicide victim Esti Weinstein




R' Menachem Orenstein, father of Esti Weinstein that committed sucide, serves as Choir leader in Ger!
When R' Menachem got up from shiva, he went to get some words of comfort from his Rebbe, the Gerrer Rebbe. Much to his surprise he was notified that because he sat shiva for his OTD daughter he would be removed from his position as choir leader that he served for 10 years and instructed not to serve as a Shliach Tzibbur!



The following is a condensed version of the feature story in Hebrew as presented by Israel's Channel 10 news.
Esti's ex-husband was a sexual pervert who would take Esti to Tel Aviv and have other men abuse her while he watched. She suffered in silence, knowing that in the ultra-orthodox world of Gerrer hasidim her husband's word would be believed over hers and to open her mouth would mean divorce and loss of her daughters.

Then she cracked and attempted suicide. 
Esti was hospitalized. When she recovered, she packed her bags and left. There was no way to tell her daughters the real reason why. Not in a community where men and women are rigidly separated and the word "sex" is never mentioned.
The divorce was nasty.
By the way, Esti's lawyer confirmed that a professional opinion submitted to the court showed that she was mentally sound - her problems being the direct result of the abuse she suffered at the hands of her spouse.
After she left and received the divorce, her ex and the Gerrer community made sure that she had no contact with her girls. But she tried - oh, she tried to see them, to write them, to pass them a message. The few messages that reached them resulted in her daughters responding with hate-filled notes, telling her they wished "all the evil in the world upon her". 
The Gerrer campaign to blacken Esti's name, to portray her as the epitome of all evil was successful. 

Esti remained quiet, keeping the truth and all the pain inside.
Gradually, Esti built a new life for herself in Tel Aviv. 7 years went by, she found a new partner, things were looking up - but then, a crucial decision.
Esti decided to write a book about her past. As she did so, the pain and memories came rushing back. The day she decided to release her lightly fictionalized story to the world (only the names were changed) was the day she decided to take her own life. For her, there was no choice. She simply couldn't bear the separation from her family, the abuse, the pain, the humiliation any longer.


After Hasidic Suicide, Israel Looks in the Mirror

Shmuel Rosner JULY 14, 2016
In death, Esti Weinstein has started a national conversation. A 50-year-old mother of eight, Ms. Weinstein disappeared on June 21 andwas found dead in her car six days later in an apparent suicide. She left behind a note and a manuscript of a memoir. She also left a long list of questions that have rekindled animosity between Israel’s secular majority and its ultra-Orthodox minority.
Ms. Weinstein had been a member of the Hasidic sect known as Gur, Israel’s largest, and she came from a distinguished family within the community. She was married at age 17 by arrangement and thrown into a relationship that she ultimately decided she could not endure. She left her family and the closed-off community eight years ago to lead a secular life.
Her book — copies of which have been distributed by mail and social media throughout Israel — chronicles in detail some of the esoteric habits of the sect from which she escaped. (After I submitted this article, Kinneret-Zmora-Dvir Publishing, by which I am employed, acquired rights to the book.) The Gur sect is rigid in its approach to marriage and modesty, with the aim of reaching a higher level of “kedushah,” or holiness. As researchers have documented, and as newspaper reporters have further detailed, Gur Hasidim “have sexual intercourse only once a month” during which they aim “to minimize physical contact.” A Gur Hasidic man will not use his wife’s name and he will reportedly sometimes get prescriptions for antidepressants to suppress his sex drive.
Peeping into the bedrooms of the ultra-Orthodox, or Haredim, and mocking their habits — real or imaginary — has long been something of an Israeli national pastime. In Ms. Weinstein’s suicide story, the news media found a gold mine. But the issues go beyond mere voyeurism.
In many ways, Israel’s economic and cultural future depends on the country’s ability to manage relations between the inward-looking ultra-Orthodox and the rest of society. Haredim are poorer than other Israelis, and their participation in the work force is lower. They have historicallyavoided compulsory military service. But understanding these people and finding common ground with them is essential for Israel. Stories like Ms. Weinstein’s do not make this easier.
Nonreligious Israelis are fascinated by the growing Haredi community —more than 10 percent of Israel’s Jewish population and projected to be more than 20 percent in 12 years — and are apprehensive about its future impact on Israel. The ultra-Orthodox community already has political power. The popular minister of health is a Gur Hasid. The mayor of Jerusalem was elected largely thanks to the resounding neutrality of the Gur rabbi-leader. Israel’s ruling coalition is supported by the two Haredi parties.
After Ms. Weinstein walked out on her Hasidic life, her ties with her old community and her family, including six of her seven children, were severed. (One of her daughters also decided to leave.) A suicide is always complicated, and Ms. Weinstein’s story of personal agony that began long before her departure from the Haredi community is no different. However, following her death, many secular Israelis came to believe she had been a casualty of ultra-Orthodoxy’s unbending, fanatical ways.
Her family and the Hasidic community are telling a different story. At Ms. Weinstein’s funeral, one of her daughters gave a eulogy saying that her mother “abandoned” her young children without much explanation, and was a troubled soul whose unique and tragic story is now being used in a culture war against the ultra-Orthodox.
The eulogy was an unusual public act for a Hasidic woman. It’s highly unlikely that Ms. Weinstein’s daughter would have delivered it without being asked to by a man of authority in her community. The Gur sect worries about its image among Israelis. Like all Haredi groups, it wants to shield itself from secular society and its unholy habits. It feels unsteady behind its walls of separation as the lure of the outside world — especially one in which Jewish life thrives — makes the habit of seclusion harder to explain and maintain. Ms. Weinstein ripped a hole in these walls and allowed other Israelis to see what’s behind.
The level of criticism and ridicule by secular Israel on the ways and habits of the Haredi community will determine the long-term impact of Ms. Weinstein’s tragic story on the community from which she fled. The more mockery Haredim have to stomach over their religious customs — even sexual practices that may seem bizarre to many Israelis — the more they will close themselves off to the outside world. The more Israelis indict them as a community for the heartbreaking death of a heartbroken mother, the more they will raise their guard and resist taking part in a very necessary conversation about openness. The more Haredis are demonized because of their choice to have a different lifestyle, the less safe they will feel to keep “integrating” into Israel’s larger society, as Israel wants them to do.
Israel will better serve Ms. Weinstein’s memory by refraining from sensationalizing her story and judging her and her family. At the same time, her final act handed Israel’s Haredim a mirror. It is now their turn to decide what they want it to reflect.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Mi KeAmchoh YISHMOEL

Anonymous said...

where's the source of this story ,?

Dusiznies said...

11:12
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Anonymous said...

please clarify if the headline concerning the Gerrer Rebbe not allowing the father into his presence and taking his position away because he sat shave is in fact true. or just hearsay, as was the first version of this tragic episode....

Anonymous said...

It's bs
Besides, that a mourner cannot lead prayers, or sing in front of others

Dusiznies said...

12:53
It could be its BS but it's widely reported in the Israeli news......
As far as a mourner goes ... For parents it's only 30 days but according to Ger the father isn't an אבל since she was OTD.... So according to Ger he could've continued being שליח צבור and a leader of the choir
Also on שבת there isn't any אבילות except in the privacy of ones home so according to Halacha he could have led the choir on שבת anyway

mmz said...

I wrote the above comment as Anonymous, I decided to sign in.
You're ignorant in Hasidic law, and it shows.
It's not widely reported in Israel, it's widely reported in Gossip blogs akin to the enquire.
In terms of leading the services and singing in front of large Gathering of people, the custom is not to do it while in mourning. If you would care to know about it, you would. Instead you feign ignorance. That's not an excuse
You've Fallen to the level of the typical anti-semite, who wants to believe what he wants in order to shame people he doesn't like. Shame on you

Dusiznies said...

Mmz
The Halacha is very clear and no one argues
There is no public aveilus on shabbos
In fact someone who regularly is a שליח ציבור can daven even if he is in the year of his parents ....
There are מנהגים of course that don't have one lead the davening in the year but they are only מנהגים and it isn't an Halacha at all
In this case even if u were to say that he shouldn't lead the davening it would only be for 30 days
Now for you stupid comment that this story is only on the blogs .... So?
Most of today's news is only on the blogs because the regular news outlets wouldn't report on these things ..... For example ... The Yeted, Ami and Mishpacha wouldn't prints these things it's up to bloggers to inform the public of these crazy rulings ... It should be made public
Not calling your wife by name .... Having marital relations once a month is כנגד התורה
And people have an obligation to make לצנות of these crazy תקונים
Thank G-D for bloggers
By the way ... Why do you read us .... You by commenting is legitimizing my blog ... Not that I need need it
I just blog to blow off steam I don't care if no one actually reads it

mmz said...

Their custom is their custom. What you think their customs should be is irrelevant. But that's not the issue.
You may have a legitimate concern about the way they handle matters in the bedroom, but this is not it. This concern is not a real one, it's a made-up story by their equivalent of the inquire
Ultimately, just type of stuff distracts from the truth. And dilutes your message.

Anonymous said...

it's not clear what happened, did the Rebbe stop him only for the shloshim or did he ban him forever, what's the true story?

Dusiznies said...

4:58
I know the customs of Ger very very well .....let's just leave that as it is ...
the point of the story is that R' Menachem went to the Gerer Rebbe for comfort and the Rebbe gave him the proverbial kick in the ass ...

Earl David said...

he should have come with money in the hand and would not have gotten rejected.

pawlosza said...

Is her book published in English?