בעיירה החרדית לייקווד הופצה מודעה הקוראת למשפחות אברכים להצטרף ל'חבורת בני תורה' שיהגרו לארץ הקודש, אך מודעה נגדית מזהירה: "אין 'גדולים' מאחורי היוזמה" (בעולם)
A couple of weeks ago a notice circulated in Lakewood encouraging young couples to join "Bnei Torah" families in Israel, that are English speaking and are happy.
The notice had a phone contact
This week an anonymous notice circulated that stated that the "moving to Israel" notice was "probably" organised by Zionist Organizations and promised that they will soon name those organisations.. and that the "Gedoilim are not backing this initiative."
I ask, so what if "Zionist Organisations" are behind it, wasn't the Ramban who lived over a thousand years ago behind the very same initiative? Be happy that the Zionists want Torah in Israel!
Look in this week's parsha in parshas Masei 33:53
The Torah states:
והורשתם את הארץ וחשבתם בה כי לכם נתתי את הארץ לרשת אתה
"You shall take possession of the land and you shall settle in it, for to you have I given the Land possess it."
Ramban states:
על דעתי זו מצות עשה היא, מצוה אותם שישבו בארץ ויירשו אותה, כי הוא נתנה להם, ולא ימאסו בנחלת השם,
In my opinion this verse constitutes a positive commandment: G-d is commanding the people that they should settle in the land and take possession of it, for He gave it to them and they should not spurn the heritage of G-d.
The Ramban adds that this mitzvah applies forever!
Which Jew has fallen so far that he would print and circulate a poster for frum people not to make Aliyah ...
14 comments:
DIN you want to be a Zionist fine. Please don't push your perverted lifestyle on others. Stop being a missionary.
Gosh you Zionist freaks are so close minded and so judgmental
10:17
The "Ramban" was perverted?
DIN, the Gemarah Rishonim and Acharnim were perverted?
Go thru Divrei Yoel and see how many Gemarahs Rishonim and Achronim he quotes.
The problem is like I said you are close minded and brain washed. like in a cult. You cant see anyone elses point of view.
2:27
I'm not going there..suffice it to say, history has proven him wrong with his quotes...and FYI the Satmar Rebbe himself wanted to make Aliyah in 1948, and actually lived there for a while, I won't go into why he had to move ... the old Satmerers know the reason very well והמבין יבון
2:27
The Divrei Yoel has been debunked many times by many great Torah Scholars such as R' Menachem Kasher z"l, a sefer called "Uolah Naaleh" by R' Shlomo Aviner, R' Reuvein Friedman in his sefer "Ki Eis Le'chenenah"
also his arguments are taken apart by Gedoilim before he even wrote his sefer. See "Drishas Tzion" by Harav Tzvi Hirsh Kalisher z"l a talmud Muvhak of R' Akivah Eiger z"l. You can also peak into the Sefer Eim Habanim Semeicha By Rav Yisacher Shlomo Teichtal z"l.
In addition 99% of all Gedoilim were for Aliyah, including the Chafetz Chaim, Baal Shem Tov, Gra, Chazon Ish, Gerer Rebbe, Kloizenberger Rebbe, Belzer Rebbe, The Steipler, etc...
You're comment is not only misleading, but I doubt whether you have Jewish genes .. you are "Ased Litein Din Ve'cheshben" for your sick twisted way of thinking ...BTW as DIN always says ..the Meraglim were all "gedoilei Yisrael"
Anonymous July 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM.
Is that the same Divrei Yoel, who forbade his Chasidim before world war two, to move to Palestine (when they were still able to), well we know what happened to 95% of his chasidim who listened to him,and we also know what happened to the few who defied him and did make Aliyah.
Why anyone would take seriously what the Divrei Yoel has to say about Israel is beyond me
I agree, the "open minded and oh so accepting" modern orthodox Jews love everyone...that they agree with. Everyone else, sure go online anonymously and make up fake BS about them. lashon horah? motzi shem rah? what's that? DIN did Rabbi Kook your Rabbi, follow the laws of lashon horah?
Il stay in galus rather than join you in your trip to gehinom
And don't forget that Kiryas Joel was built on land purchased with a loan from . . . BANK LEUMI!
This anonymous is the notorious commenter on Yeshivaworld news and a hater of Israel and modern orthodox
The Satmerer Rebbe didn't really believe what he wrote in his own safarim witness gigantic Satmar moisdos in Yerushalyim, Bet Shemesh and Bnei Brak ...
Last week, Bimchik der Tooter goes cavalier and treats me to a full dinner at the kosher Chinese joint ," Lucky Yoo and Xi Too Fat."
I order Chef Huna's special," Xi Oon- a- Taam Fin Oon Fang ."
In between chopsticks mouthfuls , we eavesdrop on the next table.
Katz.. "Do you know that all rishonim & achronim poskim hold that yishuv EY is a mitzvah ?"
Luksheshtein.." Yup, and the RAMBAM paskens that one should live in EY even in a city of goyim rather than live in Chul ."
Katz.. "Say, the gemarrah says that the chachamim ordered tumah on chul , plus living there is like avodah zara ,plus like living without a G-D ."
Bimchik & I stop chowing, straighten up , turn left and listen as Chef Huna himself interjects :" NOW THAT'S CALLED LIVING IN PERVERSION ."
Katz..." Wow.. very judgemental .. wow.."
Chef Huna , now waving a bag of yellow rice .." And there isn't a single Maan D'O-mar that says difflent.. I mean , different."
Katz.." I notice that many anti-Zionist fanatics curse , and even curse rabbis.." I notice they're very angry Yatts ."
Lukshenshtein .. " Boo hoo.. They lost the argument, that's why. Do you know that the rabbonim who were of the Chovevei Tziyon movement or who supported it, were ALL correct ?? The Medinah came to be."
Chef Huna " Tee Hee.. And stuff happenin' in GO-liss... I hope nothing don't hit the GO-Liss crowd in-ee arse, bigtime ..!!
Soo-n , the DemoBATS be freezing bank accounts toooo... Woo hoo.. Yoo know that in South Africa , people can't emigrate with their wealth ?? "
Katz ... I'm afraid we may exit only with Hanes gatches and mezonos crackers .. "
Bimchik der Tooter interrrupts : " Ye done yet ?? I gotta finish packing.. My Tooterte wants everything done by 8:00 tomorrow ..
-- Why ? What's the rush ?
___ Rush ??? You kidding ? The movers be at my door @ 8:30 on the atomic clock ..
Me... " Where ya movin' ?"
"To Lakewood , dummy. Near my kids.."
Der Groisser Tzileiger
Why is everybody even arguing with this guy ? Israel is a fact , Hodu LaShem.
It's like Dzigan & Schumacher's skit about Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
" Really, you're not here and I'm not here.. It's all an illusion."
Fridman mit'n eygel... edited by the Gayleh Kazirke..
Meanwhile, your cities are collapsing and streets & subways are dangerous.There is no going back. Your people are exiting NY and will soon exit NJ. Your " leaders" are endorsing and have endorsed in the past Democrat politicians who have perverted our country.Your Jewish power is nill , as I have been predicting. You are as a Jew, tied to Israel whether you like it or not. For those shuffling to Florida , think again , and that's all I'll say. The messaging from Above are in your face. Don't wait too long and stop doing meraglim. Theye're about 2/3 of the way thru and gossiping. You're in the 6 weeks. It's not 3... it's 6.. Alas, the down side begins with Rosh Chodesh Tammuz. The meraglim began their trek a day before. Go to Zion .! The alternative is obvious. Either listen to the Midbar Gedolim or to the missionaries Calev & Yehoshuah. Don't diddle and doodle. Time is short.
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