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Thursday, September 22, 2016

Why are Jews still going to Poland and other parts of anti-Semitic Europe???


In this week's FJJ, Mordy Mehlman, the publisher, writes a message to his readers about an experience he had in Poland, while visiting the grave of the Tosfos Yom Tov. 

The Tosfos Yom Tov, Harav Yom Tov Lipmann Heller, lived in the late 1500's and early 1600's and wrote a commentary on the Mishnah known as the "Tosfos Yom Tov." 
He was a talmud of the Maharal and what is little known was that he also studied books authored by non-Jews.

 In fact in one of his drashas, (you won't see this in Artscroll) the Tosfos Yom Tov alludes to the "new astronomy" of Copernicus and Tyche Brahe. His drashas also show that he was interested in questions of arithmetic, astronomy, and natural science. His notes on the Giv'at Ha'Moreh prove that he occupied himself with philosophy.

Be that as it may, the Tosfos Yom Tov authored a "Mi Shebeirach" for those people that don't talk in shul, and most siddurim have it .... he claimed that the Chmielnicki slaughter took place because of Jews talking in shul!

Now, that this is now the new "craze, "not talking in Shul" and the remedy of all of Klall Yisroel's ills, Mordy Mehlman took a trip to Jewish blood-soaked Poland to pour hard earned Jewish money into the hands of the descendants of those who murdered and raped our ancestors and to visit the grave of the Tosfos Yom Tov. 
He now describes the "vicious" anti-semitism he and his group experienced in Poland!

It is ironic that the Tosfos Yom Tov himself suffered untold horrors and torture in Europe! Harav Heller was the chief rabbi of Krakow during the above mentioned Chmielnicki slaughter of innocent Jewish men, women and children ....
and I am sure that if one had asked the Tosfos Yom Tov if Jews should visit his grave, thereby enriching blood-thirsty goyim, descendants of Chmielnicki, he would have vehemently protested and responded in the negative!

So this Mehlman takes a group of Jews to tour Poland!!

There are Jews in Yerushalyim throwing out other Jews from Shul, because they are in uniform protecting other Jewish lives .....
yet instead of screaming "Lo zu ha'derech," Jews spend money so they can fill the coffers of Jew hating Goyim...

Mehlman, writes about his bad experience in a Polish Coffee Shop!
Now guys take a deep breath and read the following:

This experience with a Polish goy that refused to serve him coffee, reminded him "of the Holocaust"!!!!!!

You know what reminds me of the Holocaust????? 

A Jew sitting in a shul davening, "not talking in shul" and sits quietly while other Jews are throwing out another Jew in IDF uniform  .... 
that Mr. Mehlman reminds me of the Holocaust .....



15 comments:

Anonymous said...

I agree with you!
And how about all the Jews who run to Uman every Rosh Hashana? It makes me sick.

Anonymous said...

Mordy... What's your point ???

Once in a blue moon I see your paper, of course without women's photos, since you're trying for some reason to kiss up to the extreme nudniks..
You also have a regular columnist, a certain Rabbi _______- who's an anti -Zionist.
Now you complain about Poland, Zakopane, and "stares right through us" in Munich and Frankfort..
How about a trip to EY and a nice inspirational editorial upon your return...
How about EY, where you WON'T get hostile stares right through you??

So what's your point, Mordy???
You have a forum.... Use it to promote Eretz Yisrael, not to qvetch about some farkakte trip to Poland where they don't want you...
I wonder what your anti-Zionist columnist, this Rabbi________- thinks of your editorial..

But if on the next new moon I'll pick your paper up and see another shmutz piece against Israel by this guy, I'll name him...

Hint: He once wrote that he's an "AYNIKEL" Whooooooo !!! AYNIKEL (grandson) of the Yismach Moshe...Whoooooooo !!!!! You just know we're supposed to fall off our chairs.... AYNIKEL.... Whooooooo...!!!

Derby & de Hoon


Anonymous said...

And Mordy....
Maybe you got farshmutzed in Europe because you're allowing shmutz against EY...
A few years ago, I wrote several responses to Letters to the Editor farshmutzing EY, and to your credit, you DID publish my responses...
But why cater to the ultra anti-EY crowd??
You're a good businessman... You need the ads and want to cater to almost anybody and not offend the fanatic crowd..By doing that however, you're offending those of us who love EY...

Cha Cha de Chazente

Anonymous said...

"Stop Talking in Shul" mission... Noble idea, no question about it...
Now take a group on a "Stop Throwing Jews out of Shul" mission to Israel..
This'll take guts..... Are you up to it????
This was worse than Kamtza bar Kamtza who was thrown out of a home... This week somebody was thrown out of a Beth Mikdash Me'aht...
You have a forum??? Use it....!!
Next week write an editorial about the abomination of harassment against the IDF chayal and against the ongoing persecution of Rabbi Havlin, whose wife was hospitalized for mental trauma....
Lemme see if you have guts, Mr. Mehlman.

Inmitten-Derinnen

Anonymous said...

And you what reminds me of the Holocaust??
Seeing photos of Brown Shirts and SS jeering and hollering at Jews on the streets in Germany and Amsterdam... Did you see those??

Isn't that what happened at Zichron Moshe this week, Meah Shearim a few months agao and vandalizing R' Havlins' home????

STOP FREAKIN" CATERING TO THE FANATICAL LUNATIC FRINGES.....
A new style in the heimishe communities.... A salivating tucheslekkerei of the anti-Zionists frummies??
What's wrong with you guys??

Derby

Harry said...

Can we calm down for moment. We are mixing a bunch of peeves into a single basket and directing our anger at a perhaps simple person who is speaking out against talking by davening. I think the following are true:

It is terrible to spew hatred at another Jew. If I would be present when ch'v someone attacks another Jew who is coming to daven, I would be mocheh as vehemently as I can.

It is bad to talk during davening. It is disrespectful to Hashem, and against halacha.

It is not an avaira to visit the grave of the Tosfos Yomtom. Not only that but there are many choices of vacations, and this is one of the more wholesome ones. Some people spend lots of money in various resorts which are nothing but gashmius (basically beheter, but often with compromises). Going to pray at kivray tzadikim is a relatively wholesome activity. I am not a great lover of chumras, no matter which camp they originate from, and to say that one may not visit kivray tzadikim in Poland, is an extreme chumra, not a halacha at all.

He says that his experience brought to mind the holocaust. I believe him that it did bring this to mind, and his experience was truly upsetting. There is nothing bad about stating that.

Anonymous said...

Harry,
Everything you wrote is true.
However, visiting kivrei tzaddikim in Poland , especially these days, while neither against halacha nor it being a chumra, is besides the point this week.Not everything that's kosher lehalacha is necessarily the right thing, but that's for another day.
This week the headlines and editorials should be about an IDF soldier being embarrassed, humiliated berabim and thrown out of shul, which you'll agree is an aveirah, not a chumrah. This cursing episode already happened in Meah Shearim, and Bet Shemesh a while back.
His editorial about Poland and Germany could've waited till next week.
This week, every Jew should be pained that this travesty happened in our midst without condemnation except for Rabbi Lau's against the R' Havlin's home being vandalized and his rebbetzin being emotionally and mentally assaulted.
This week , a proud young IDF officer who protects with blood each and every citizen of Israel, and swears such an oath when graduating,
was victimized by frum Jews.
THIS is the story a few days before slichot..
A Bes din of 3 people at least should summon this chayal and beg forgiveness from him in the name of klal Yisroel if nobody else will.
That, Harry, should be the story this week..
We don't know the consequences of this in Shomayim..
Poland, Germany with or without chumras, with or without halacha is today, Friday, irrelevant.

Derby

Anonymous said...


There are poskim who hold that going and davening at kevorim is like avodah zarah, so it's not such a simple issue.

Anonymous said...

This soldier was viciously thrown out of shul not because he disturbed the davening, not because he talked during davening, not because he performed juggling acts at davening, but aderaba, he wanted to pray quietly without fanfare... What they did to him is beyond criminal... Call an asifah and put into cheirim anyone to does this to an IDF anytime in the future..

de Heen

Anonymous said...

"...It is bad to talk during davening. It is disrespectful to Hashem, and against halacha...."

Absolutely... No doubt about it.... No argument...
There's nothing in your post to suggest that what did they did to this chayal is deserving of your same admonishment...

de Hoon

Harry said...

Derby, you are certainly correct that this travesty should be loudly denounced by every sect of religious Jews, and that it is a major story that needs to be highlighted so that lemaan yishmeu veyirau. I agree with you about that 100 percent.

Anonymous said...

I didn't see this issue, so I don't know if the IDF story was in it, or if it was, which page it was on.
Maybe he didn't have the time to arrange the story and give it prominence due to deadline factors, then if he makes good on it next week, I'll take it back...
If not, then it's no different than the N.Y. Times which buries important news on P. 859 for agenda purposes...
Let's see what he does next week...
I know he mentioned once that he consults a rav about input...
OK.... let's wait....

Anonymous said...

In fact I'll make it my business to get his paper next week and see...If I'm the only person standing, I'm not going to let it rest..
Thanks, Harry, Shabbat Shalom

Derby

Harry said...

de Hoon, you wrote

Anonymous Anonymous said...
"...It is bad to talk during davening. It is disrespectful to Hashem, and against halacha...."

Absolutely... No doubt about it.... No argument...
There's nothing in your post to suggest that what did they did to this chayal is deserving of your same admonishment...

de Hoon

Apparently, you skipped my previous paragraph, so I quote myself

It is terrible to spew hatred at another Jew. If I would be present when ch'v someone attacks another Jew who is coming to daven, I would be mocheh as vehemently as I can.
Ad can Leshoni and by the way ch'v means chas vesholom, and 'vehemently' you should look up in the dictionary.

Harry said...

Derby, Shabbat Shalom to you too and all the readers.