We reported on Dec 2, how Skver is dumping hundreds of illegal latinos in New Hempstead, a town bordering New Square, to prevent young Jewish families from moving close to New Square.
They buy homes and then rent them out to illegals, many of them violent criminals to discourage frum Jews from buying reasonable homes in the neighborhood.
The motive behind these bizarre Skverer actions is that they don't want the Skverer children to know that there are other Jews in the world that are not Skver who are Shomrei Torah Umitzvois ....
Now they are renting homes to illegal criminals with homes they don't even own!!!
Rockland County Executive Ed Day announced the county is suing two men who they allege illegally occupied and rented property that had been foreclosed.
The county is suing Joseph Greenbaum and Elazer Dancziger for renting foreclosed apartments in New Hempstead that the county owned.
"Their actions were not only illegal, they were outrageous," said Day. "It's a scam – like renting the Brooklyn Bridge. They represented that they owned a property that they did not own."
In a complaint filed in Rockland County Supreme Court, the county is seeking to recover damages for the unlawful occupation of the property.
Greenbaum, the property owner, had failed to pay taxes on the property since 2012, the county said.
After the county took possession of the property, all tenants were told they had to move though the two men continued to rent the property. Tenants told investigators that they had paid $2,000 in rent per unit, the county said.
The case has been referred to the Rockland County Sheriff's Department for criminal investigation.
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The incredible disregard these racist criminals have for their fellow human brothers is incredible. Jail time is warranted, not that enabler Zugibe will do more than allow a plea deal.
Oh come on.
Let's say the owe $50,000 from taxes. Make it $100,000 in taxes. It doesn't mean it belongs to the state. It's a foreclosure property. Millions of people are in the same pickle.
"Greenbaum, the property owner, had failed to pay taxes on the property since 2012, the county said"
Get it? Property owner. Not the Brooklyn Bridge.
mmz - OK they didn't pay their taxes, were foreclosed and are no longer the property owners. Property owner is past tense. Criminal who needs jail time for fraud.
IF its even possible they even outdo the satmerers in crookedness,these skverers are the outlaws among the jews going back decades they were already in the news about stealing big time from the government unbeleivable
Let's try to Dan Li'Kaf Zechus a bit, hard as it might be...
Culinary Depot or Narcotics Depot?
http://jail.com/arrest-records/jacob-potash-21139230
And he was previously convicted of similar charges in 2014.
It's ok though within the "Skvare Mile" of Skver to just have heimishe Yidden handling in pots, pans & drugs instead of living there.
Meh Darf machen ah parnooseh.
Meh darf tzoolin deh morgage.
In deh lectrik.
Auch deh gehs.
Deh Shtoot ken vaarten.
Ich hub fargessen tzee shoiel aitzeh zahn bam Rebbin.
Nee. Nee.
1:12 PM---In yiddish there is a sayin goes like this--Az der narshkeit derling em me maint er iz a chuchem, substiture geneives for narishkeit .
AishKodesh said...
"Let's try to Dan Li'Kaf Zechus a bit, hard as it might be..."
Let's try to stick our heads in the sand.
Let's try to ignore crimes by people who share the same religion.
Let's try to ignore the facts.
Let's try to cover it up so non-Jews don't see we're as bad as anyone else.
Let's try to create a diversion by pointing out their positive qualities.
Let's give them a total pass because they're Jewish.
Let's pretend that everything is okay among the black-hatted cults pretending to be righteous.
But God forbid we expose the Jewish criminals and work at putting an end to this. Because all that cr@p about truth, honesty, and integrity in Judaism was just meant to be a suggestion... not actual laws to live by.
Aish, you're a wonderful tool for keeping the crime machine running.
Defending scum like this is not righteous, just misguided and delusional.
I don't mean that, Reb C_D. Hiding criminals? Chas V'Shalom. My real point is that there is no point to talk about it on here. Mai Toeles?
Thank you for stopping by and it is nice to see you again my friend! How is the family holding up? How are you doing?
AishKodesh
There is actually a "Toeles" ....yes...absolutely
New Square askanim are destroying the neighborhood around them, buying up property and loading them up with criminals ... and these houses are near newly bought homes by young families and the are getting destroyed by greif .... the children cannot leave their homes because of fear ... and this is being done on purpose to systematically destroy the neighborhoods so that no Jew moves in ....
They want New Hempstead Yudenrein just like the Nazis ...
so, yes this must be publicized as the Chofetz Chayim writes:
מצוה לפרסם .
Well, DIN, if you have Halachic justifications, okay then. But how about for the people commenting on here?...
Is David "Skip" Storch shomer Shabbos? He has plenty of associations that would make sense that he's somewhere in the orthodox spectrum.
He lived in Monsey's Blueberry Hill & then moved to one of the new frum neighborhoods in New City
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_Storch
"trains at LifePlex pool in Monsey"
Susan Rosenbluth's newspaper in Teaneck was promoting Storch's hiking outings where he provides a kosher boxed lunch, not clear who is in charge of the kashrus.
In 1993, he attempted to swim 177 miles from Cuba to Florida to call attention to the deterioration of coral reefs around the world. According to a UPI press report, Cuban dictator Fidel Castro even paid him a visit to wish him good luck.
http://clarkstown.dailyvoice.com/news/new-city-man-charged-with-sex-abuse-is-local-business-owner-noted-swimmer/721946/
David "Skip" Storch, 60, who was arrested Friday by South Nyack-Grand View Police following an investigation, is the owner of Shu-Fly Tackle and Fly Shop in Nanuet.
Storch, who has his own Wikipedia page, also garnered attention as an endurance swimmer in 2007 when, at 50, he swam around the island of Manhattan three times in 32 hours, 52 minutes, 30 seconds.
He was also known for his environmental efforts, working to help create awareness of pollution in the Hudson River, especially through his shop where he talked daily with fishermen who fished the waters.
Storch is alleged to have committed the crimes in South Nyack between Jun. 2008 and Dec. 2011, Chief Brent Newbury said.
He was charged with felony predatory sexual assault against a child, and felony course of sexual conduct against a child.
He is being held at the Rockland County Jail without bail.
Ya, if it's gonna accomplish something. But it won't. If anyone was really interested in stopping this behavior they'd get off their tuchas and do something not just blog and comment. So untill then I agree with Aish.
Aish,
All is good. Thank you for asking. I hope you're doing well too.
"Well, DIN, if you have Halachic justifications, okay then. But how about for the people commenting on here?... "
I don't need Halachic justification. I don't live in a theocracy (which prohibits free speech). I live in the US, where I am free to comment on the news. If not here, elsewhere.
And, by the way, many crimes are committed with "Halachic justification." I'm sure these criminal scum had some kind of twisted Jewish cause (halachic justification) in their dishonest heads. And they conveniently ignored the 'law of the land.' Hopefully they'll serve some time in the 'jail of the land' for their crimes.
DIN would serve us better to cite sources. These criminals are scum in any religious flavor:
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/rockland/2018/01/09/rockland-landlords-rented-out-seized-house-lawsuit/1016060001/
http://ramapo.dailyvoice.com/news/landlords-illegally-occupied-property-rockland-county-says/730655/
They ripped off the county, the population of honest and timely tax payers, and they scammed the recent tenants.
Did they have "Halachic justifications?"
BigFatGetchka said
"Ya, if it's gonna accomplish something. But it won't. If anyone was really interested in stopping this behavior they'd get off their tuchas and do something not just blog and comment. So untill then I agree with Aish."
The free exchange of information IS doing something.
Becoming informed and informing others IS doing something.
And with what would you agree with Aish? Remain quiet about it? Give the criminals the benefit of the doubt?
Apparently that's Aish's position.
CD, and anyone else who agrees,i don't think you get the point of being dan lkaf zchus.
Molestplex, Skip Storch is not religious. Why bring him up over here?
My dear Reb C_D, Baruch Hashem, I am doing fine, thank you!
Remaining quiet to criminals is not my position actually. Anyway, I guess people's Yetzer Hara's give them "Halachic" excuses to do all sorts of things -- and believe me, I am not saying what this guy did was right!
But my main problem continues to be, there is no Halachic allowance to be able to talk about this stuff in comments when it doesn't bring any benefit. If DIN holds that these are מצוה לפרסם situations, okay then, but again, how about for all on here? Perhaps you can ask a Rav about it?
If people will counter to this and ask why I am on here, I will tell you that I have already asked a competent authority (very Mentchlikeit and learned Rosh Kollel I know) about hearing (or I guess in this case reading) Lashon Hara in order to stop it and he replied that it is muttar as long as certain things are maintained and conditions met (and he gave a list).
DIN, I see your justification. My question, though is, there are people on here who have had bad experiences and are thus "blind", so to speak, to not saying bad things (whatever they might be), and by posting things you are almost putting a stumbling block in front of "blind" people, which is assur min HaTorah -- not even DiRabbanan! Maybe there's a Halacha that I'm missing that mattir's it?... Please explain.
C-D said...
"The free exchange of information IS doing something.
Becoming informed and informing others IS doing something."
Why? Are they pedophiles moving into your neighborhood and now you know to not let your kids play at their house?
Did you have any business dealings with these people that you now know to stay away from because they are dishonest and criminals. Does anyone here? Will they stop getting aliyas in shul because this was publicized here? Will there be any repercussions that will stop people from doing things like this because it was blogged about here?
We all know there are religious Jews committing crimes, being dishonest and doing bad things. If the goal here is free exchange of information with no practical implications then DIN might as well save time and just post the same headline over and over "There Are Religious Jews That Are Dishonest And Commit Crimes".
10:18 AM--So you are trying to stop people from venting their frustration with the injustice that is perpetrated on us all law abiding jews by those ultra fanatics who call themselfs the real jews? di farrikter beheime vus di bist
AishKodesh said...
"Perhaps you can ask a Rav about it?"
You're joking, right? My days of "asking a rav" are pretty much over. I've been conned too many times by the likes of Chabad to trust religioni$t$ with "halachic" agenda$. They are $elf-$erving pig$.
Had I continued such a stupid, non-free will path, I'd be dead today... literally. And who in the hell calls these animals out? Nobody. Because they think like you, and give it a pass or "the benefit of the doubt."
I do however have a respectable rabbi I can go to if I ever need to do so. Such a situation would be very, very rare. But if I had a question related to his field of expertise I would ask.
The days of running to a rabbi to direct my life are behind me.
BigFatGetchka said...
"Why? Are they pedophiles moving into your neighborhood and now you know to not let your kids play at their house?"
I have learned of pedophiles in our area. Lubavitchers who were transplanted from Australia, Brooklyn, and native locals.
Never a word that the criminals even exist within the four walls of the Chabad shuls we attended. And back then I truly believed it didn't happen in religious circles (especially Chabad) to any noteworthy degree. You know as well as I do that Chabad is plagued with (and protects) pedophiles. Only the Internet provided my family the information the Chabad rabbis would prefer we be oblivious to.
And avoiding the pedophiles is not the greatest benefit from this. Learning the true nature of Chabad (and other so-called righteous Orthodox) is.
If my kids ever decide to go OTD (a silly term but you know what I mean), I'll offer them a map instructing them to avoid both Christian AND Jewish missionaries. They can never leave God, but they can leave stupid religious fundamentalism (which is filled with people who would gladly use them for all they're worth).
Can you imagine the tragedy?:
"Oh, dad, I discovered a very righteous, new (to us) group of Chasidim. They're called Satmar. They are true Torah Jews...
Ignorance isn't bliss, it's deadly. Thanks to DIN and other sites I know more about the nature of Satmar than I ever wanted to know. Now I can tell my children it's poison, like Chabad. "Don't get involved with them. Don't give them your money."
As for making a difference. I've been warned (late, but still informed).
And I intend to inform and warn others.
I'm not like the Aish's of this world who will sit by and offer the benefit of the doubt... or run to a "rav" to ask what I should do. When did the Jewish people throw away their free will to "rabbis" and become such feeble wimps and cowards?
"Did you have any business dealings with these people that you now know to stay away from because they are dishonest and criminals. Does anyone here? Will they stop getting aliyas in shul because this was publicized here? Will there be any repercussions that will stop people from doing things like this because it was blogged about here? "
Yes
Perhaps
No
Yes
"We all know there are religious Jews committing crimes, being dishonest and doing bad things. If the goal here is free exchange of information with no practical implications then DIN might as well save time and just post the same headline over and over "There Are Religious Jews That Are Dishonest And Commit Crimes". "
No, that's more your style. Faith in futility.
DIN has far more to offer the world than you do.
jancsibacsi said...
"So you are trying to stop people from venting their frustration with the injustice that is perpetrated on us all law abiding jews by those ultra fanatics who call themselfs the real jews?"
Of course they are. It's par for the religious elite class.
'Shut those malcontents up... they're destroying our illusion of righteousness.'
Remember the fuss they made at Failed Messiah?
Just like they come here and cry "remove this blog post!" "benefit of the doubt"
I wonder if they'll feel the same when it's their child who gets molested, abandoned, or ripped off. Maybe. These cults do sick things to people.
Really now? You've had business dealings with the 2 people named in this blog post?
"No, that's more your style. Faith in futility.
DIN has far more to offer the world than you do."
Aha..I've commented on this blog, 3 or 4 times and you know my style and what I have to offer the world.
What you definitely know is how to put an end to a conversation and silence others from sharing they're opinion.
Goodbye
"So you are trying to stop people from venting their frustration with the injustice that is perpetrated on us all law abiding jews by those ultra fanatics who call themselfs the real jews?"
No I'm not.
"di farrikter beheime vus di bist"
Good one. You're right. I never thought of it that way. Thank you. I now see where I was mistaken. I'm not sure how I even thought otherwise now that you've told me that I'm a "farrikter beheime".
Skip Storch is not religious. Why bring him up over here?
Because he has lived for years in heimishe neighborhoods including Blueberry Hill
Because he is an instructor at Lifeplex that is crawling with Yiddishe kinder.
Because he runs a hiking group that is targeted to Orthodox Jews.
First the establishment told us there is no such thing as heimishe molesters. Now we are also supposed to ignore all the other molesters too?
Sheesh!
BigFatGetchka said
"You've had business dealings with the 2 people named in this blog post?"
Not in this blog post. But I have dealt with individuals later exposed on the Internet.
I'm sorry you can't see the value of the Information Age that we've lived in for some time now. It's not going away, no matter how much naysayers like you and Aish would like it to.
"Aha..I've commented on this blog, 3 or 4 times and you know my style and what I have to offer the world."
- Ya, if it's gonna accomplish something. But it won't.
-If anyone was really interested in stopping this behavior ... not just blog and comment.
- I agree with Aish.
- DIN might as well save time and just post the same headline over and over
- Will there be any repercussions that will stop people from doing things like this
- Are they pedophiles moving into your neighborhood and now you know to not let your kids play at their house?
Yes, "Mr. Optimism" your style of nay-saying and expressions of futility are quite apparent. And I stand by my comment that it offers this world nothing in the direction of correcting the ills we recognize here.
"What you definitely know is how to put an end to a conversation and silence others from sharing they're opinion."
The only people who can silence you here are the DIN blog admin, and yourself. And apparently you've chosen to silence yourself. Don't blame me.
"Goodbye"
Shalom, Sayanora, Adios, Au revoir, Arrivederci, Aloha, Auf Wiedersehen, 再见, Catch you later, quitter.
DIN, I did ask you a question...
Oy Gay Kaken di fardreiter goilem bist a groisse sheis kamer
Perhaps I didnt articulate myself clearly so let's give this one more go.
I'm all for exposing people, including Jews, including Orthodox Jews, including Ultra Orthodox Jews, that have harmed people or that have a strong possibility of doing harm in the future.
Did DIN break this story? Is he exposing these guys?
No.
Do a search on their names and this story will come up on many other sites.
"I'm sorry you can't see the value of the Information Age that we've lived in for some time now. It's not going away, no matter how much naysayers like you and Aish would like it to."
I'm not a naysayer of the information age nor do I want it to go away.
I regularly research potential business associates, employees, faculty members of my kids schools etc..
And I highly recommend everyone do the same.
I'm not a member of the "religious elite class" and don't proscribe to any specific brand of Orthodox Judaism. Be it modern, black hat, chassidish etc...
I simply don't see the benefit of rehashing previously exposed information and giving a platform for negative, hate filled, generalizing comments.
If you feel there is a benefit I'm definitely open to hearing it without you being insulting by thinking you can know anything about me, my style or my value to the world based on a few comments.
I can easily do the same to you but I have no interest in that.
I'm open to all opinions when presented in a decent manner.
DIN can blog about whatever he wants and you can comment all you like. I'm not here to forcibly stop that. I can't stop you nor do I necessarily want to. I'm simply stating my opinion in a normal, non insulting,way.
If you can do that as well, great. I'm open to hear what you have to say.
If not, then I will silence myself.
Why you think din is a halachic authority is absolutely beyond me.
I don't, Avi. But I asked a kasha on his blog. DIN, do you have an answer?
@Reb C_D, I too agree with exposing molesters, etc. Can we not?! On the other hand, when people rant and rave about things as a whole on here, it is certainly not good.
BigFatGetchka said...
"If you feel there is a benefit I'm definitely open to hearing it without you being insulting by thinking you can know anything about me, my style or my value to the world based on a few comments."
Blogs like this one, the former Failed Messiah, FrumWatch, LostMessiah, etc. are extremely important. They are news aggregators and frequently offer open exchanges of information that reveal more about the stories than mainstream news has to offer. Commenters on these sites have far more insight to offer of the depths of these problems and often contribute details unknown to other media because they are actually a part of those communities. They went to the yeshivas where there were cases molestation. Some are actual victims (even in this thread). They saw the crooked behavior behind the scenes in the synagogues. They saw the extent of alcoholism in sects like Chabad. They dig up and report on distorted history (misinformation).
I personally, have learned from these sites that malfeasance in Orthodox Judaism is common and that it's not the panacea for life that kiruv rabbis sell. My family was hurt very badly under the banner of 'observant Judaism' and it was on sites like this that I was able to determine I was among criminals, not being 'punished by God.'
DIN offers the layman far more information about cults like Satmar than mainstream media ever will. And many Jews simply don't have the time, energy, nor know-how to investigate and aggregate the information in these articles and comments out of mainstream news or assorted media outlets.
For people like me, discovering the true nature of religious Jewish behavior, sites like I mentioned above don't simply rehash the news. They are the news. They offer far more insight to Jewish life than a scamming Chabad rabbi selling messages of love, or yeshivas who try to teach only their version of what "God wants," or the occasional news story about a Jewish deviant. Even my own site serves as a warning to those who may fall prey to unscrupulous, people-using Chabad rabbis who truly don't care about Jews, but rather only their Chabad agenda.
This is the power of the open exchange of information. Additionally, it helps people recover and heal from situations in which they may have been victimized by realizing that others have had similar experiences and connecting with people who are truly supportive.
I could go on, but I believe I've made my point in the manner you've requested.
@Reb C_D, Actually they don't tell you too much about Religious Jewish life aside from the fact that as usual, some people aren't good, nice, or even close. Religious Jewry in general is a good thing, though. Mamash. And I have experience in the matter, Baruch Hashem :)
AishKodesh 2:50 PM said...
"And I have experience in the matter, Baruch Hashem :)"
So? Good for you. You're not a kiruv victim used for money, a warm minyan body, and mislead time and time again.
You don't have the experience of my family and many others. Mazel tov.
I've seen good among religious Jewish communities too. My kids are still in Orthodox yeshivas. And thanks to the little bit of good from non-Chabad Lubavitchers who have recently found out what we've gone through, we still maintain some Orthodox basics.
None of that is a good reason to not expose the BS and share information.
You can't stand where I do, and have no authority there.
Your Orthodoxy might not survive my experience.
And honestly, mine (what's left of it) likely won't either. I'm not completely out, but gradually heading that way. It's a process.
If one of my children would say to me "I'm going OTD" I might respond "wait, I'm going with you."
Your brand of "Yiddishkeit" may be wonderful for you, may have community and support systems, may be life itself.
We don't have any of that, and for us it's been toxic.
I really feel sorry for the experiences you've gone through. Of course, though, I can't understand them really because I didn't have them. I had my own difficult Nisyonos, and Baruch Hashem my Yiddishkeit has held up, but not the same ones as yours. I truly hope you don't give Torah Judaism (not the people who fake it) up completely...
You and your family should all have every manner of Beracha and get to soon see the true light of Torah and Yahadus -- not what some in the Frum world R"L behave like...
C-D, thank for you pleasant and cordial response. I'm very sorry that you and your family where hurt. It disgusts me that it was done under the guise of observant Judaism.
I agree with much of what you said. Those are benefits that can be achieved by this blog and others like it. Unfortunately a large portion, perhaps the majority, of the comments do not.
They are often hate filled, insulting stereotypes and generalizations. Just yesterday someone told me "I don't do business with chassidim, they are all crooks." While it is definitely the fault of the chassidim committing the crimes for causing such generalizations, these sites and their comments only further those exponentially.
Does the harm that this causes not get taken into consideration?
There have been people whose lives have been ruined by false accusations and rumors spread on such sites. Is that not a factor?
I'm not going to attempt to weigh the value of the benefits that you stated, and i agree with, that come from the open exchange of information against the inevitable negative results. I don't think that's possible.
But wouldn't you agree that open exchange should be limited, as best as possible, to only allow posts and comments that are strictly productive and beneficial?
Do you not see that a large portion of them are not?
BigFatGetchka said
"They are often hate filled, insulting stereotypes and generalizations."
I've made a few of those broad brush comments myself in the heat of the moment that were not well thought out. I've personally thanked DIN for not letting one of my stupid comments get posted. Once on Failed Messiah I said that haredim are parasites. And though that can often be the case for the career schnorring, system gamers, or welfare as a way of life type, it certainly doesn't apply to all. I wouldn't label my children's roshei yeshivot that way. They work very hard for their living.
As it turned out, the troll stalker that lost Shmarya Rosenberg as his target cherry picked it in hopes of making me his new stalking victim. To read his post about me, one would think I'm a neo-Nazi or white supremacist (even though his post was loaded with other errors as well). Unfortunate, but I'll live with it. It's not going to ruin my life, nor my blog. And the comment I made likely won't harm any haredim either.
"Just yesterday someone told me "I don't do business with chassidim, they are all crooks.""
I doubt they're ALL crooks. But I'd be 'gun-shy' about dealing with any I didn't know well. And I'd be very unlikely to say "Chasidim are mostly righteous and for the most part trustworthy." But in fairness, most of the chasidim I know are Chabad shluchim with business models built upon using others to pay their way. On the other hand, I know a couple (victims of their fellow chasidim) who I would love to work with simply for the opportunity to give them an opportunity.
I think people are capable of reading the opinions of others, one way or another, and still able to form their own based on their own experiences. There are comments that offer a lot, others are annoying or useless (often anonymous and something to scroll past).
"While it is definitely the fault of the chassidim committing the crimes for causing such generalizations, these sites and their comments only further those exponentially. "
From my experience, chasidim are very set in their ways and not a very self-reflecting kind of people. Perhaps recognizing the reactions they inspire will inspire some change among them. Even the Chabad wall of abuse cover-ups is starting to crack. A long time from coming down, but exposure has made some cracks in it. I say let readers find out they are plagued with perverts, thieves, and dishonest or alcoholic shluchim until they can clean their ranks and prove otherwise. Respect and trust isn't simply given, it's earned.
(part 2 of a very long comment)
BigFatGetchka said...
"Does the harm that this causes not get taken into consideration?
There have been people whose lives have been ruined by false accusations and rumors spread on such sites. Is that not a factor?"
AND
"But wouldn't you agree that open exchange should be limited, as best as possible, to only allow posts and comments that are strictly productive and beneficial?"
It's a very valid concern. It's the responsibility of the site admin to monitor that. In some cases the ugly comments are of some value. I appreciate some of the rotten Satmar anti-zionist comments here because they let me see the magnitude of their hatred for Israel. I otherwise might not believe it existed. In the case of individuals wrongly hurt; corrections, updates, follow-ups, or edits may have to be made. Ultimately the truth prevails. In most cases I'm not a big fan of censorship, scrubbing the web, hiding, nor remaining silent. They offer a greater potential for the harm of innocents. Just like the fear of "loshen hara" or labels of "mesira" are used to keep people quiet. Had Manny Waks feared those labels, Chabad Australia would still be raping little boys. And thanks to Mr. Waks' persistence, we see clearly that they're not especially eager to change. Likewise, had Shmarya Rosenberg listened to those saying he was "fueling anti-Semites" we would not have that 12+ years archive of malfeasance of the so-called religious, and might simply accept, out of our own ignorance, the false image they project.
I think some moderation can be a good thing. And it's at the discretion of the site owner. But we can't shut everyone up who wants to blow some steam or expose a perceived wrong because their comment wasn't investigated by a news editor. Like any powerful tool, the Internet can be used for good or evil. We'll just have to learn to use it responsibly.
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