Saturday, August 27, 2016

Rav Edelstein and Rav Shternbuch: Was Ben Gurion Worse Than Hitler?

Image result for rav edelstein
Guys ...Listen to this .... You want to know what children are learning in Cheder?

The rebbes are teaching toddlers that Ben Gurion was worse than Hitler .....

Hitler YM"S killed more than 6 million Jews .... put millions in concentration camps, where they were tortured ... and yet Ben Gurion, who founded a State where over 100,000 Jewish Boys are learning Torah "worse than Hitler????"

And there are "gedoilim" out there agreeing with that outrageous sick preposterous statement!

Who is the "gadol?" that agreed with this brainwashing technique?  .... He is a Rabbi that lives in safety  in  Israel, the state that Ben Gurion founded!
Rav Moshe Sterbuch ga'avad of the fanatical corrupt Eida Hachreidis!

Rav Yaakov Edelstein, rov of Ramat Hasharon, wrote a letter stating that he was shocked to hear that a cheder rebbi told his pupils that former Prime Minister David Ben Gurion was worse than Hitler because Ben Gurion destroyed Jews’ souls, while Hitler only destroyed their bodies.
Rav Edelstein noted that it is indeed said in the name of the Chazon Ish that “There was a Holocaust in Europe and there was also a Holocaust in Eretz Yisroel where hundreds of thousands of innocent Jews from Asian and African countries drank the cup of bitterness because of the government in the first years of the state, and left the religion of Moshe and Yisroel in a spiritual Holocaust.”
Nonetheless, Rav Edelstein maintained, the Chazon Ish was writing of those who were harmed. But regarding the Jews who harmed them, it is obvious that Hashem loves even Jewish transgressors. Rav Edelstein cited three sources to prove this concept including Rabi Yehuda’s statement (Kiddushin 36a) that Jews are called sons of Hashem even when they do not behave like sons.
Rav Moshe Sternbuch, ga’avad of the Eidah Hachareidis, disagreed with Rav Edelstein’s opinion. He supported his view with Dovid Hamelech’s statement (Tehillim 139:21-22), “I hate those who hate you, Hashem, and I fight those who fight You. I hate them with extreme hate, they were enemies to me.”


Yocheved said...

how many jews has he killed spiritualy

Unknown said...

I don't see anywhere in Rav Sternbuchs comment that he feel BG was worse than Hitler.

Dusiznies said...

By disagreeing with R' Edelstein he is in fact saying that the Cheder Rebbe was correct ...

MAK said...

When I was in yeshiva in Baltimore, as a B.T., I almost fell off my chair whan I heard a Rav refer to Ben Gurion and then say, "Y'mach Sh'mo". I never heard that except for Hitler prior to that. I was stunned.

Anonymous said...

why would this be a surprise? do we really expect anything better from someone belonging to a criminally insane ignorant savage gangster organization like the EIDA HACHREIDIS,
by the way the EIDA represents a very small segment of the frum jews in Jerusalem,it's the Satmar gangsters the Toldos Ahron savages and some of the Breslev meshugeners,the rest of normal Jewry,like Belz,Ger,Vishnitz,and the whole Yesivish world has absolutely no use for these Medina hating ignorant savage gangsters.
What they are is a big HASGACHA business and racket going for them and that's all and nothing else


Anonymous said...

I heard it many times it was a common utterence among the satmerers in the 60,s 70,s 80,s whenever they mentioned ben gurions name,no suprise to me.

Anonymous said...

The picture you have is Rav Gershon Edelstein, the Rosh yeshiva of ponovech. As you know they fly the Israel flag. Reb Yaakov is his brother. He is considered one of the biggest gedolim in Israel and is sought after his brachos. I learnt under Reb Gershon.