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| Rav Shteinman Voting in Elections |
A Yeshiva Bochur studying in Eretz Yisrael from abroad asked Maran HaGaon HaRav Aaron Yehuda Leib Shteinman Shlita if he should file for citizenship to permit him to vote in the upcoming national elections.
According to the Kikar Shabbos report, the gadol hador responded “yes”, that he should become a citizen to permit him to vote and “merit fulfilling the mitzvah”.
In the last elections a chosson asked the gadol hador if he should vote since his chupah was taking place on Election Day and voting would present somewhat of a difficulty. He too was instructed to vote.
DIN
Nu is Rav Shteinman an apikores? Is Rav Shteinman a meen?
according to the book "Al Hagilah V'al hatmirah" he is!
You see how asinine the Satmar Shitah is? You see how nutty and crazy this Shitah is?
42 comments:
And who cares what this old stale ovar ubotelnik says or thinks? It's totally irrelevant what he does or doesn't say
And regarding your question is he an apikores? The answer is flatly YES HE IS ACCORDING TO CHAZAL
BUT AGAIN WHO CARES ABOUT THIS ALTER SAMACH MEM
6:29
Chazal?
Which Chazal...
the uncivilized Romanian gypsies?
DIN, I really am enjoying ur satmar bashing, I totally agree that Satmar today is nothing but shit. Its not "satmar shitah", its "satmar shit". Please, satmar drekfressers, come and tell me about the goon of goonim, your holy leader who would desert you in a millisecond if his life was in danger.
6:29 i have sometimes thought you were right defending satmar but now i know that YOU ARE AN APIKORES according to chazal. APIKORES:ZEH HAMIVAZEH TALMID CHOCHAM. thats what chazal say, you choteh umachtiah.NEVER SAW WERE CHAZAL SAY an APIKORES IS SOMEONE WHO VOTES IN THE ELECTION. you will get no more olam habah that all the early zionist athiests you attack (which is 0). your mevazah a gaon oilam YOU LOOSE UR OLAM HABAH. no im not attacking satmar (by satmar i mean R' Yoel Zatzal) Im attacking you. Chazal say talmid chocham shein bo daas neveilah toivah heminah. KAL VCHOMER YOU WHOS AN AM HAARETZ CANT IMAGINE WHAT CHAZAL WOULD SAY ABOUT YOU. 6:29? Isnt that right in the middle of your night seder?
No night seder? but you DAVEN V'SIKIN BKVIUS. I dont think so.
I hope you will do teshuvah soon. You are obviosly a sick person and I hope you have a REFUAH SHLEIMAH and teshuvah so you can merit some OLAM HABAH. (btw I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT I COULD ALSO RANDOMLY CAPITALIZE LIKE YOU).
Satmar does not say that Rav steinman is an Apikorus, No, No, No, he is making a major TAUT (mistake), no normal human being would deny his greatness in Tora, yiras shimayim, midos tovos etc etc, as a matter of fact, someone told me that the Satmar REBBE said that Rav Steinman is a perfect example of what the Mishnah says in avos, Pas Bamelach Tochel Umayim Bamsura Tishteh..... so he is respected for what he is, the problem Satmar and others have with the Rosh Yeshiva and others is, that they (most litvakim), don't have Shimush in the sugya of hisbadlus, which the Hungarian Rabonim are much more knowledgeable.
9:02
Excuuuuuse me,
R'Yoel Teitelbaum writes in his book "Al Hagila" that anyone who takes part of any "Bechiros" in the State of Israel is an "apikoras and a meen"
What the Holy REBBE meant was, that by voting in the elections of the secular state of isreal, you have a part in all of the state's aveiros, and they do many including the three major ones, Shefichas Damin, Giluy Arayos,, and Avoda Zara, and that fact is non negotiable, even Rav steinman agrees, where they diverge, is according to Rav Steinman and others, the fact that they're voting in order to change those atrocities, its therefore allowed to vote, and a Mitzva, while the Vayoel Moshe is of the opinion, that the good kavana does not kasher the fact that your part of this secular state, But here is where YOU are making a mistake, Both the Satmar REBBE and Rav Steinman are in total agreement that the state of Israel is NOT ATCHALTA DEGEULA, its rather a real hindrance holding up Geulas Yisroel. You meanwhile are deep deep into Minuus & apikorsus way over your head.
"... Both the Satmar REBBE and Rav Steinman are in total agreement ..."
Everyone should remember that 9 years ago, when R' Shteinman came to a Brooklyn park to give a drasha, busloads of Sakmars/shikorim lined up across the street with ugly signs, screaming Yemach...... and hollering like demented lunatics to drown him out. Actually, they were MEVARER his badlunis..
Tammy Kol Toov
As usual talking sideways instead of replying, lets repeat our words AGAIN, Both Rav Steinman and the Satmar REBBE, are in total agreement that the Secular state of Israel isn't what HASHEM wants for HIS FLOCK, and that Zionism is a plague and detrimental to the ultimate redemption Bemhera Beyomeinu, they only differ how to fight this abomination this so called 'jewish' state, Rav Steinman and others are of the opinion to fight the Zionists from the Inside, through voting etc etc, the Satmar REBBE's opinion is to stay away as explained earlier, because by voting or sitting in the Knesset as a MK, you're considered as a partner in crime for All the Altercations commited there, Both are far far from YOUR deios kozvos, as a matter of fact these 2 Tzadikim's shitta is very closely related.
Seymour....
I don't, & 99.99 % of Yidden do NOT care whether they're in agreement or not....As usual, when you're being confronted head-on, you try to spin your "sideways" garbage.
Lemme be clear & HEAD ON.... We don't care..... You have problems with them vis--a-vis the State.. Problems with Rambams, Chazals etc. like Phartel & Bande..... That's YOUR problem.
We see REALITY, we have B"H great Rabbonim who were already MEVARER the whole Inyan... We can sleep at night... You can't... Your problem..!!!!!! Again, HEAD ON.... WE ABSOLUTELY DO NOT care about agreements, badlunis, chickee-here, Mevarerisms, chickee there. I already disproved Phartel & your delusions on the other thread..
The State of Israel is the Aschalteh D'gulah...Now come , wait online for 15 minutes, bring reading material, then you'll be ushered in to my office... Then kiss my ever- luvin' ass once & for all....
Derby... And who can forget the Shabbos weekend Chillul Hashem stinkfest, street hooliganism, when in '79-80 , the Belzer Rebbe came to BP... I couldn't get to my block unless I showed the cop ID that I lived there....
The Sakmarians are in agreement with NOBODY....
That's it for me as far as arguing with the Sakmar/LEKK hood dupa kissing robots... We have a reality, they have an agreement & Badlunis..!!!
Derby ...Shluss !!!
AFTERWORD:
We also don't care about your secular courts infighting in Sakmar, or the 2 BOOBS'ivers, or the Yeshivish machlokesses in Israel.. Yeah, talk about what's holding up the geulah...
Folks, as previously mentioned, we either to throw these bums out, or leave them en masse....
L'chol Hapoochis, auf Tz'loochis
AFTERWORD:
We also don't care about your secular courts infighting in Sakmar, or the 2 BOOBS'ivers, or the Yeshivish machlokesses in Israel.. Yeah, talk about what's holding up the geulah...
Folks, as previously mentioned, we either to throw these bums out, or leave them en masse....
L'chol Hapoochis, auf Tz'loochis
Keep on using smoke and mirrors, its really helping you a lot, your raa-bonim that are of the opinion that the Secular state of izrael has any merit whatsoever, are mostly Misyavnim Maskilim Mischadshim, Matir Asirim, Metahare Mamzerim, who made a SHARP LEFT TURN away from HKBH and his TORAH, THEY DON'T COUNT, all that's left in their tora, is chibas haaretz, all the rest of the other 612 MITZVOS aren't important, just like all the other new religions, Catholics, Christians etc, yoshke pandrik did that, and that's exactly what 'your' zionist galochim did.
Right, of course, of course...And don't forget to being your Bande to my line also.... Only thing is, you're waiting time will go to 90 minutes... I'm not a machine...
Derby
.... And will the "sideways" Bande member explain the above mentioned disgusting hooligansism by his badlunis, mevarer Bande.. Or will he ignore it "Sideways?"
Want to mention that I was an eyewitness to the above Chillul Hashem garbages.... Lived around the corner from the Belzer-Sakmar fiasco, then moved at the time to the park area with the R' Shteinman bullvanism happened.
The cops, at the the Belzer event didn't know a Sakmarian from a Belzer and didn't know who was who. Till somebody was Mevarer to them that the black sox are the good guys & the white sox the rotten bunch.
Tammy Kol Toov
.... While the busses deposited the primitive semi-humanoid Dee-Reck Sakmarians, who at the top of their gills were screaming profanities & holding up filthy signs at R' Shteinman as he spoke on a mike & loudspeaker.. The names they called him can't be mentioned. Don't let this guy tell you about agreements and badlunism..
I just wanna ask : The Belzer event happened , as I recall, while R' Yoel was still alive...
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So my Q:
Did he say anything about his goons doing their thing?
Basically, the Watergate question:
What did he know? When did he know it? Did he say anything? What did he say? And if he said nothing, why not???
Sideways, huh????
Derby.....
Yes sideways, that's what you always bring up, for sure you and your ilk are much worse in things that are important to your low IQ mind, read the foul rancid gutter language you constantly use, but back to the point, the fact of the matter is Rav Steinman and all the LITVISH TZIBBUR are very close to the Satmar's way or shitta, very very minor differences between them, HOWEVER they ALL are united AGAINST ZIONISM, I'm essence united against YOUR convoluted deios Kozvos, don't even mention Rav Steinmann for he is your greatest ENEMY, whereas with Satmar he has very minor differences, again and again you're trying (without success) to give the impression that Rav Steinmann and the other EHRLICHE LUTVAKS are on your side by pointing out the DAAS TORA minor differences, But with your Apikorsus they definitely are far away KIRCHOK MIZRACH LEMAARAAV. You're fooling NOBODY but YOURSELF! You are a APIKORUS capital letters.
11:31
You Liar...
There is absolutely no agreement between Rav Shteinman and Satmar...
The Satmar Rebbe clearly stated numerous times in both his book Al Hagila
and his book V'Yoel Moshe that anyone who votes or supports voting in the Bechiros in the State of Israel is "an Apikoras and a meen"
It is stated very clearly!
But What the Stamar Rebbe did not say anywhere is that he was saved by Rudolf Kastner, a Zionist!
He would say that the RBS"O saved him...
funny that he advised his chassidim not to emigrate to Palestine while he and his family escaped to Palestine..
Mr. Sideways:
You did NOT answer my questions.
You're waiting time is now 2 hours....
Derby.... And he won't !!!
BTW... R' Shteinman supposedly changed his mind several times about the whole inyan... On the other hand, we don't know if he really says the things they say he says, or his badlunim, shleppers, TL'ers and leidegeirs talk.... But who cares anyway...
Mr. Sideways:
Talk about the filthy hafganah against R' Shteinman in BP..!!!
Don't obfuscate, Sideways Badlun ..
Tammy Kol Toov... What's badlonis????? Oh, no.... Another word to research... First MEVARER & now Badlonis.... What's next???.... Gatches???????????
This not the point, the point is that Rav Steinmann is in total agreement with Satmar, that ZIONISM is NEGED HATORA.
It's VERY much the point..!!!! ANSWER THE QUESTIONS...
S_L_O_W_L_Y ....
Why a filthy hafganah vs. R' Shteinman if they're in agreement?
And R' Yoel's nonstatement at the Belzer "Shabbaton"...
Now answer & stop sideways'ing
about stuff nobody cares about.
Derby
11:18
You bald faced Liar!
Again Satmar and Rav Shteinman are not in agreement on anything ...
When Rav Shteinman spoke at the Atrium in Monsey a few years ago, Satmar charted 60 Monsey Trail Buses to protest his appearance, and then they were outside shouting..
"Shteinman Yemach Shmo"
I know .... I was there!
Just to let everybody know, you fell into 2 traps that you built for yourself this week and you're starting to quickly unravel..
Classic DIN, classic derby (the ferd), repeating the same stale statements, as if they know what they're talking about, hoping that someone with an IQ level lower than theirs might be influenced, sorry, there are very few morons in this level, Again and again, the introduction to this post, is trying to convey a false message, as if Rav Steinmann is a Zionist, and THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!!!!;, Rav Steinmann is constantly saying in his Drashos that ZIONISM is CHAZER TREIFE, so don't even mention his name, you're completely on the other side, (SITRA ACHRA).
1:04
You Lie again>>>
When did Rav Shteinman say that "Zionism is Chazer Treif" ?
When? You Liar!
Satmar calls Rav Shteinman "Yemoch Shmo V'zicroh" all the time...
and in the Satmar books, he is called an "apikoras and a Meen"
Those are the stubborn facts!
Nobody's saying that R' Shteinman is a Zionist.... And our side DUZN"T care whether he is or not... It doesn't matter to us... We simply DON"T care.... BUT according to YOU..... TO YOU !!!!'' Nobody even knows ,who says what, from his court..!!!
ANSWER the Q's... according to YOU....!!!!!!
--- Filthy demonstration vs. R' Shteinman...???
---- R' Yoel's reaction to Belzer Shabbaton ...?????
Answer or go & play hopscotch with your kid sister...
Derby.... To quote this guy.... SHACHMAAT !!!!!
"....derby (the ferd), repeating the same stale statements, as if they know what they're talking about, ..."
You're a frozen deer staring into my headlights..... !!!!!!
I WAS THERE.... !!! IT happened in my 'hood.... I saw it....!!!
BOTH...!!! One near 54th St.
The next one in Gravesend Park near 18th Ave.
I was there BOTH times... Stale or not... Ferd or no ferd.... You'r struck like an oinking dovor achar..
Stale or not, Ferd or not, it happened and you can't answer it... !!!!
How you gonna get out of this one ????
Derby
Here's what happened folks:
I believe it was a Thursday night, and thousands were in the park, dais covered under a canopy... Outside the park across the street, behind police barricades, bus after bus after bus, unloads mostly young azus ,shtarke Sakmarian hoods and thugs. They line up holding ugly filthy signs accusing R' Shteinman of various things, screaming at the top of their lungs to try & drown out the loudspeakers, calling him the worst names in the book ...including Tziyoni.. Instead of learning in the yeshiva, their HOLY leaders, the heiilge gaonim pulled them out of night seder, were mevatel Torah to be mevazeh R' Shteinman... much as they did for years and years against other rabbonim.......
This thuggery & unheard of DRECK is what our resident Sakmar-dupa-kisser above is defending....
Derby
One last time...
Your Bande, both Bandes from the '50s and on, embarrassed berabim, harassed, cursed and assaulted Rabbonim, ordinary Jews, them and their properties, all because of the farkahkte Shytta.
You have no credibility anywhere in the Yiddishe velt, except for LEKKhood and now parts of FlatBitch...
Your rey'os and toilrelech fall on deaf ears, you make machlokes and have nothing positive to say or preach to klall Yisroel except for your hate and divisiveness...That includes families who are on different sides... as if the Bande leaders put any $$$ in their pockets or pay their bills... You're a great reason why the final geulah is being held up..
Do tshuvah, or just shut your snout once and for all.
Derby
Recently in a Monsey Chassidic shul I saw more evidence of the lunatic Jew hatred of Teitelbaum's thugs.
A page in the front section of a siddur had contained the sentence "Printed in Israel." Some thug had completely blacked out the name of Israel with a black pen. This deranged Jew hatred is what passes for "frumkeit" in the NK/Sat-thug circles.
Glad you at least admit that the Satmar's point of view is gaining traction in Lakewood, Flatbush, in addition to Williamsburg, BP, Money, MALACH RAA YAANEH AMEN, what you don't admit is the FACT that in Addition to all the above, Satmar's views are being accepted even by former Heise Zionists, coming to realize, that ZIONISM is the Opposite of Judaism, BH that this is happening, hopefully even 2 such morons like you will come around.
10:47
Not only is "Satmar's point of view gaining traction"
Islam is also gaining traction.
".....traction in Lakewood, Flatbush, in addition to Williamsburg, BP, Money, ...."
STOP right there..!!! Subconcious truth... Look again... You wrote MONEY.... Wanted to scribble & doodle Sh'Monsey....What came out of your stubby fingers??? Why, Money, of course.
You're right... It's all about the money, honey...
Derby... Need some money to get me a bowtie.
There'$$$$ a rea$$$$$on why it'$$$$$ called LEKKhood... Nobody ki$$$$$$e$$$$$ toochy$$$$$e$$ $$$$tamm azoi...
L'chol Hapoochi$$$$$$$$
You're a stupid retarted idiot, stooping so low nobody could or would follow you, not having any answer, being cornered, as usual, you jump on a misspelled word, and make 'tzimmes' about it, showing us what a moron you are.
This is supposed to be cute? How original you are!, using the dollar sign instead of an S, you deserve a MEDAL, you're so smart! so cute!.............
"...retarted..."
A--hole... You misspelled that word 3 different times.
"... using the dollar sign instead of an S..."
You're so dense... You don't get it??? I guess not..!!
".... being cornered..."
Right... You & this Phartel guy got your bee-hinds clocked on that other thread but good.... Oh, Sideways.... yeah...
S_L_O-W_L_Y
There's MONEY going from MUN'RO to LEKKhood.... Now, do you get it????
DUH.......
Derby....All Smirnoff'd up, he izzz !!!!
I guess you convinced everyone who hit this blog, how 'right' you are, how 'smart' you are, how 'civilized' you are, so we can rest our case.
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