The Belz Hassidut Education Committee met on Monday with the director-general of the Education Ministry and top education officials in an attempt to formulate a unique model for the Belz Talmud Torah institutions that would be fully budgeted by the state and include core curriculum subjects such as Math and English, Reshet Bet radio reported on Wednesday.
THANKS SO MUCH,, IT MEANS THE WORLD TO US IN THESE DIFFICULT TIME
So a Jew beating the hell out of another Jew doesn't " pierce the heart of loyal Jews?"
How about the Yated knowing for years that Walder was a monster and yet allowed him to write a column in the paper, that doesn't "pierce the heart of loyal Jews.?"
These hypocritical Litvishe scum are worried about Belzer children? Or are they worried that Chareidim are finally realizing that having children without an education is detrimental to their being able to make a living. Litvishe RY are terrified that their own naïve sheep are waking up and realizing that poverty is no longer an option, and will demand a secular education, instead of having to schnoor all their lives.
Kudos to the Belzer Rebbe.
In the wake of the recent agreements reached between Belz chasidim and the Israeli ministry of education, Education Minister Shasha-Biton and Finance Minister Avigdor Liberman, the schools and cheders of Belz which maintain higher standards of secular studies will receive special funding. However the controversial agreement has been sharply criticized by the Yated Neeman newspaper, reflecting a split in ideological approaches between the Lithuanians and the Chasidic group.
Under the headline “Huge concern due to blunt interference and serious harm to chareidi education”, the newspaper claims that this is a generic plot using economic incentives to pierce at the heart of loyal Jews, all in order that Talmudei Torah and rebbes should change their goals and their essential character.
Yated also claims that the agreement signed by Belz will compel teachers in chareidi education to undergo external pedagogic instruction by the “heretical” education ministry.
Recently Belz representatives explained that their goal is to set up a separate stream since the Chinuch Atzmai refused to accept them in its system.
Belz MK Eichler said in an interview with Kol Chai’s Betzalel Kahn that “whatever the public knows about this program are lies spread by those who are not Belz chasidim, who seek to conscript chareidim to the IDF and who are part of those seeking to destroy the chareidi public from within. All the reports in the media are lies and fabrications.
Eichler added that “they accused us of making a state chareidi system but this is not the case. Up until now there was discrimination between those who were not members of Chinuch Atzmai or Maayan Chinuch Torani and the Belz teaching staff received 50% of what the Chinuch Atzmai is paying.”
Eichler denied that the Education Ministry would supervise new educational content, claiming that the new program would not be supervised by the education ministry but rather by an external supervisor.
Netura Karta protesters last night at the Atrium Ballroom where the Satmar Rebee Reb Zalman Leib Teitelbaum attended a dinner for his monsey shul.
Once you let the genie out of the bottle, you cannot get it back in.
Satmar created this monster called Neturei Karta and funded it, and still do.
So what did the Satmar Rebbe do that they are screaming at him that he should "cut his beard and peyois off?"
This is hilarious!
Last week we posted a story about how the Satmar Rebbe called the Belzer Rebbe an "apikoras" because he is taking money from "the medina" and will introduce Math & English in the Belzer curriculum.
Well, Satmar is doing the exact same thing, taking federal, state and city funds and introducing Math, English and maybe some LGBT required courses for good measure.
The Neurei Karta and Bnei Yoel are protesting this hypocrisy! They are quoting the Satmar Rebbe's words that he used to mock the Belzer and throwing those words back into his face!
Some say that Hashem has a sense of humor, and just unbelievable, and it is what the goyim call ..."karma"
In Israel the Litvishe Newpaper "The Yated" keeps bashing the Belzer for signing an agreement with the Misrad Ha'Chinuch. But what is funny is that all the Livishe Moisdois take money from the "medina' and teach secular studies in their moisdois.
If that is in fact true, why bash Belz?
I have to say I love the questions of my readers...I just love them.
The answer is because Belz is a very powerful chassidus in Israel and they have their own MK in the knesset. The Belzer Rebbe is basically telling the Litvishe Chareidie parties to go to hell and that he doesn't need them for anything. He is of course 100% correct, the chareidie parties are splintered and need Belz. The "the kalte litvacks" thought that if they bashed Belz, they would weaken Belz and Belz would have to bow down and kowtow to Black Hats.
It's not working, Belz is not backing down and is in fact getting stronger and is negotiating on his own and throwing all the Livishe Gedoilim to the curb. Last week the President of Israel Herzog met with the Belzer.
At the end of the day, I predict, they will get together and unite publicly before the elections but behind the scenes they hate each other's guts. Haman was correct when he told Achashveirois ישנו עם אחד מפוזר ומפורד
"There is one nation that is spread out and separated"
The nation is "one" only when its spread out and separated
Unfortunately true!
I personally believe that immediately after the elections, they will be back to bickering and fighting. This is just a ploy to make sure they pass the threshold for seats in the Knesset.
After weeks of uncertainty regarding the future of the partnership between Degel HaTorah and Agudas Yisrael, a breakthrough was reached on Monday, paving the way to a joint run.
The dispute in question was the plan of the Belzer chassidus to sign an agreement with the government that will provide their Talmudei Torah with funding in accordance with the number of hours they spend teaching secular subjects. HaRav HaGaon Gershon Edelstein, who is adamantly opposed to any government intervention into Chareidi chinuch, would not agree to partner with Belz if they implemented the Education Ministry’s plan.
What did the Belzer Rebbe do that was so bad?
He decided to have Math & English taught in his elementary schools thereby giving his institutions vital funds from the Israeli Government. This according to the Satmar Rebbe means that he is aligning with the Zionists "meenim & apikorsim" which make the Belzer a "meen & apikoras"
What the rebbe didn't mention is that the Satmar Rebbe had his staff fill out mandatory forms, required by the New York Board of Education stating under the penalty of perjury that Math, English etc are in the Satmar curriculum thereby making his schools eligible for City, State and Federal funds, which they presently receive. Satmar is currently fighting New York State because the State now wants Chareide Moisdois to introduce Science, Bio and LGBT ideas.
So, in other words, its ok for Satmar to take government funds but it is not ok for Belz to take government funds to teach the exact same subjects that Satmar claims is being taught in their schools. The "meenim & apikorsim" phrase that the rebbe uses against Belz is truer in New York where the threat of government intervention is very real and they are now battling with the help of the Zionist Agudah of America, apikorsehe studies such as Science, Bio and LGBT Studies, etc.
Satmar Rebbe of Williamsburg (R' Zalman Leib ) launched a fierce attack against those who wish to change the way of chareidie education that has been practiced for generations, in light of the publication about the agreements reached by representatives of the Belz Chasidim with the Ministry of Education, the Minister of Education and the Minister of Finance Lieberman about special budgeting for educational institutions that meet special criteria relating to secular studies at a higher level.
A loose translation of the above speech which was delivered in Yiddish (I only translated the pertinent parts, he also dragged in the Chasam Sofer)
Belz the chasidic group, which is the second largest in Israel, has apparently agreed to include core curriculum studies in its schools as previously reported, according to a report by Actualic.
The Israeli ministry of education authorized the special framework of study for the Belz institutions which will enable them to receive government funding at a higher level in return for studying three basic disciplines at grade school levels: Hebrew, Math and English. If students can pass all three subjects, the schools will receive 100% funding as in other school systems in Israel.
The negotiations between Belz and the ministry were coordinated by Rabbi Yonatan Reiss, a Belzer chasid who established a network of yeshivos which enable chareidim to streamline their army service while maintaining their core values. Reiss himself was conscripted as a deserter at the age of 26 but then realized that chareidi soldiers do not have a proper framework to prepare them for the culture shock they encounter when joining the army. He established Chedvata, which prepares chareidi youth for technological service in the army and B’Tzavta, which prepares them for combat service while maintaining their religious lifestyle.
The “state chasidic” educational stream is expected to attract other chasidic groups who wish to maintain their unique educational style but to receive extensive government funding.
I have to laugh! They spend $175,000 on a plane ride to the US to schnor $100 Million (they came up 50 million short) and who are they schnorring from? From Business People!!! What utter Hypocrisy!!
They preach that "hishtadles" is enough! But I guess they don't really believe in this concept from the Chovas Halevavois. Hishtadlus would have been to make to make a simple phone call, who wouldn't donate getting a phone call from Gedoiei Hador? Who wouldn't donate if Rav Landau or Rav Hirsch would make that personal phone call?
But they, the Gedoilim unfortunately didn't practice what they preach! An "hishtadlus" phone call wouldn't do, they needed to spend $175,000 to travel halfway around the world; but Hashem had other plans. Not only couldn't they meet their goal but the news in Lakewood was dominated by two awful tragedies. And the Lakewood and other communities weren't in the mood to meet them properly! Even if they had met their goals, that would have been a drop in the Atlantic Ocean! The Israeli Zionists gave Mosdois HaTorah last year over $325 million dollars! They would have to be back in 3 months!
And this whole campaign is disingenuous to begin with. The government only discontinued funding Yeshiva guys who were under 26, those over 26 in Kollilm continue getting their funds! In fact in the Kollel that I learn in, not one avreich was effected, not one!
Now they want to drag Belz and others who want to better their lives into their cesspool of poverty. Thankfully, Chasidim are much smarter and won't be influenced by this lunacy!
In recent weeks several Chasidic groups, including Belz, Boyan, Karlin and Tzanz, have decided to join the new State-Charedi educational system, which provides full funding in return for studying a core curriculum (designated for charedim) including English, Math and civic studies. Despite assurances that they would receive funding even if they maintained their own systems, the money has not been forthcoming and the chasidic groups decided of their own initiative to join the new system.
The heads of the Lithuanian charedi community, Rabbi Dov Landau and Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch, have strongly condemned those who joined the state charedi system. At a recent gathering for Degel Hatorah representatives, Rabbi Landau’s opinion was stated and a letter from him was read. The letter was published Tuesday in the Yated Neeman newspaper, as well as a similar letter from Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch. Both the heads of the Slabodka yeshiva sharply opposed the moves to join the state charedi system.
Rabbi Landau wrote that “the matter of pure education was always the focal point of our teachers, the Gedolim of the generation and they stood firm not to allow foreign elements to be involved in it. I offer encouragement to the heads of institutions maintaining the pure and unadulterated education according to our tradition. They are bravely withstanding all the temptations despite growing economic difficulties. Everyone recalls the strong stand of Rabbi Gershon Edelstein in his last years against the attempts to place Talmud Torahs into the state charedi education.
“Now we have heard the sad news that some intend to accept the ministry of education’s programs. Heaven forfend that we place institutions in the state charedi network. Woe to us that this has happened. They should realize that besides the evil they are causing themselves and their children, they are causing great damage to the entire charedi community, making such a great breach in the house of Israel, that we don’t know the end of it. We therefore call upon all those who have veered towards this worrying and awful program, renege on all of your plans to change the face of the education, and Hashem will provide for you.”
Rabbi Hirsch added in his letter that the “State Charedi program being sponsored by the ministry of education has a dangerous involvement in the independence of our education, as is known from the severe results of this education until now. Therefore the Gedolim in every generation dedicated themselves to this basic concept, that there should be no influence and meddling in the education of our children.”
I got a lot of flack for the headline because people watching the clip only saw the mashgiach throwing the hat off the bochur's hat, and didn't see the "the crap". The criticism came from readers that are experts in "crap"!
And so my friends.. there is an unfortunate epilogue to this "crap" story.....
The bochur in the video did very well in Talmud Torah, did well in yeshiva ketana. He was a kid that was well liked by his friends and was planning to continue learning after his wedding etc.
But from the moment he stepped into the "ghetto" of the Belz Haifa Yeshiva Gedoilah, he started losing his desire to learn and was slowly falling into the abyss.
And from now on, says the bochur," there will be no one to throw my hat away, I decided never to wear one again".
He added that he was told to wear a hat for davening, for eating, when learning, when walking the streets...... and to remove his hat when entering a bathroom, to remove it when entering a mikva,
"Now the mashgiach, whose job is, to influence me in spiritual matters, took this very hat and threw it with contempt on the floor , three times...I will never wear that hat or that chassidishe jacket again, not on Shabbos and not on Yom Tov and certainly not during the week"
Just as an aside, the father of this bochur, recently died and this episode occurred just days after him getting up from Shiva. In addition before this "crap episode" the mashgiach, the cruel Yitzchok Meir Prestor, wouldn't let the boy daven as a shliach tzibbur even though he was in the shloishim and he should really be trying to be shliach tzibbur at every opportunity as that is a special tribute to his late father's soul, but the "holy" cruel mashgiach doesn't want the son to mourn properly and honor his father.
So now within days we have a Mashgiach of a prominent yeshiva torturing an orphan, and a Rebbe of thousands torturing a widow who is also his mother ...
the "Sitra Achra" is batting 1000
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| The Baal Mochlokas Rebbi, R' Zalman Leib Shlitah |
The Belz hasidic sect is in the advanced stages of implementing the core curriculum in exchange for 100% funding from the State, as the schools join the Bnei Yosef network run by Shas.
According to a report by Galatz journalist Yoeli Brim, two schools will join the network as part of an initial pilot program, and the agreement is later expected to expand to all of the hasidic sect's schools, which include approximately 9,000 students.
The move has caused a rift in the joint United Torah Judaism party, which includes the Chasidic Agudat Yisrael and the Lithuanian-haredi Degel Hatorah: Last year, Degel Hatorah threatened to split from Agudat Yisrael if the program to teach the core curriculum goes through.
At the time, the two parties agreed that if the right-religious bloc did not succeed in forming a government, Degel Hatorah would allow some of the Belz schools to join the independent haredi school system. Under that agreement, those schools which do not become part of the independent haredi system would be added to the Shas-run Bnei Yosef chain.
Shas initially opposed the proposition, but eventually the sides hired lawyers to see if it would be possible to overcome the legal difficulties involved in the merger.
I grew up amongst very frum Holocaust survivors, these survivors built from scratch Moisdois Ha'Torah, yet I never heard the word "Daas Torah" until just maybe 20 years ago.
Who came up with this?
