In this week's Ami Magazine, FRANK'furter , "der upgerissianr naar' ( bloody fool,) interviews the Yerushalmi Posek Rav Moshe Brandsdorfer.
The "Frank" must have some "man crush" on R' Brandsdorfer, because this is not the first interview he gave him.
But what is fascinating is that this interview was supposed to be an interview on the "Perspective of Halacha" vis a vis the Hamas atrocities, but instead, he makes this about the bankrupt Satmar Shit'ah!
Those who are following my blog, know that Yitzy Frankfurter the editor of Ami thinks he is a Satmar Chusid, and tries to embed the irrelevant Shit'ah into most of his interviews but this one takes the cake.
Ironically, Ami is officially banned in the Satmar community because it is "Zionistic!" LOL!
I am not certain if the Frank knows that Dayan Brandsdorfer's grandfather was none other than the author of Eim Habanim Semeicha, Harav Yisacher Shlomo Teichtal HY"D who was murdered by a Ukrainian on his way to a work camp, his last words before he died was "Jews run for your lives, it is pikuach nefesh, I will not stop screaming, Run Run to Palestine," His surviving daughter said that someone nearby said "please don't say that, as you will be accused of being a Zionist" and he continued yelling "Run Run for your lives"
( see גליון קדושת ציון, גליון ע"ה טבת-שבט תשפ"ד)
R' Teichteil's entire sefer is a polemic against those Gedoilim who were against Jews from Europe making Aliya. The Gedoilim of that pre-war era were against Jews making Aliyah because they were afraid of the Zionist influence, and were against Jews establishing a State before Moshiach comes. Rav Teichtal HY"D in his classic Sefer ,brilliantly takes apart all those arguments against aliyah!
In this interview, Rav Brandsdorfer mentions something scary; the Chareidie thought process vis a vis those murdered on October 7:
"Some people were asking why what happened was such a big deal, in light of the fact that most of the victims' were mechallelei Shabbos, ochlei neveilos utreifos and avoda zarah?"
When I read that line I held my breath as I suddenly became very nauseous, wondering, are there frum Jews actually asking "What is the big deal?"
Are people the so called "Yirei Shamayim," so farkrumpt to ask why we are "making a big deal " about our brothers and sisters being raped, tortured and murdered, ?" Is this what our gedoilim are teaching our children?
I find it ironic that the Yeshivishe oilim constantly quote the Chazon Ish, the Chazon Ish said this, the Chazon Ish said that, Shiur Chazon Ish etc etc.
What about the famous Chazon Ish that there are no Jews "rashaim" today? And he said that in the days of Mapai, when Ben Gurion was the prime minister?
At any rate, I was relieved when I read what Rav Brandsdorfer said about that sick and perverted question.
" You cannot make your own cheshbonos. You have to look at the Ribbono Shel Olam's cheshbonos, which is why we have halacha"
R' Brandsofer goes on to paskin quoting the Shach and the Chazon Ish that "if a mumar l'hachis is murdered by a non-Jew he has a din of a Yid, and one cannot argue with that psak."
He adds:
"There's a lot of confusion right now, which is why I remind people that we have a Shulchan Aruch that guides every aspect of our lives. Yes It's true that many of the victims didn't keep Torah and mitzvos . We are maaminim bnei maaminim that everything comes from the Borei Olom . Even when there is a hester within a hester, we still saw the Yad Hashem that those who kept Shabbos were protected by a shimrah elyonah, but that doesn't mean that we are allowed to say that this happened to the chilonim and not to us. During an eis tzarrah everyone in klall Yisrael is equal . The problem is that everyone likes to worry about what someone else needs to fix. It's clear that we are living through a time when everyone must do teshuvah, and each person has to make his own cheshbons as to what to improve. You can't look at someone else's tikkun. etc etc.
A naar bliebt a naar, and the Frank pushes on......
Frankfurter: "There's also the fact that so many of the victims weren't shomrei Torah umitzvah, meaning that their widows might not care ( to positively ID the bodies so that the widow don't remain agunahs)"
DIN: I have to pinch myself to make sure this is not a bad dream. The "widows might not care?"
How crazy is this guy? His wife must be a tzediekis living with this unmitigated dope, she also may be oiver on a dorieesah of the prohibition of living with a beheimah!
R' Brandsdorfer: The do care, because in order to get married in Israel they have to have the approval of the Rabbanut.
Unfortunately, some people are approaching this as if it's just another milchamah for the Tziyonim to deal with, but this is so much bigger that that! When we daven, we say: "Acheinu KOL beis Yisrael hanesunim batzarah uvashivyah" We are obligated to daven for them. Someone called me from Mexico and explained that he follows the shitah of Satmar. There were tefillos being said for the soldiers of Tzahal, and he didn't know what to do about that. I replied, "I don't understand the question. Don't we daven for all of klall Yisrael even if the only maaleh they have is "beshem Yisrael yechuneh... they are Jews in name only?" After krias ha'Torah, we daven for all Yiden "bein bayam uvein bayabashah... whether at sea or on dry land." How can you have a problem with that?
Frankfurter pushes on with his stupid comments dragging in the deceased Vayoel Moshe:
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I don't get it, did I just read that (above screenshot) correctly? The Satmar Rav said that the mitzvah of defending Jews was a private "matter between the Kedushas Levi and the Ribbono Shel Olam?"
Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get me out of here!!! Can someone out there verify this? Crazy stuff!!
R' Branddorfer trying to put some sanity back into this conversation:
"My father wanted to establish the Heical Horaah, He said:"I need a place that doesn't belong to the Eida Hachareidis, Agudas Yisrael or to She'eiris. It can't be Litvish or chasidish; it has to belong to all Yidden regardless of their background" Although we follow the shitah of Satmar Rav, nevertheless, when it comes to halacha, people need to know that they can ask for a psak without hashkafah mixed in."
DIN: Now I have no clue why R' Brandorfer said this, because as grandchildren of Rav Yisacher Teichtal HY"D their Shitah is actually 180 degrees opposite Satmar Shita. I think he actually answered this on the next question when he says that "every rebbe makes his own changes and additions."
I think that the Satmar Shitah that R' Brandsdorfer follows and refers to is to eat bubilich Friday Night in his chicken soup.
Frankfurter: But it can be problematic when there are contradictions between shitos
DIN: This has to win the trophy of the stupidest question of the interview... R' Brandsdorfer just got through explaining that he doesn't paskin based on "shitas and hashkafos" he paskins based on Halacha, but Frankfurter doesn't get it.
R' Brandorfer: There aren't any real contradictions (between shitos) This is especially true because every rebbe makes his own changes and additions.
10 comments:
Um, Rav Moshe is the son of Rav Meir, who was one of the leadinig Dayanim of the Eidah and a big Kannai. So you better believe him when he says he follows the Satmar Shita.
"that there are no Jews "rashaim" today? "
You can't have it both ways,or could you?
His pre-state ! statement was because of the lack of tangible Providence nowadays.According however to your pontificating the coming of the State & it's survival since is open tangible Providence
Furthermore,he took off his glasses rather than glimpse the face of rasha Ben Gurion
& Personally have testimony he also told somebody outright you can say yemach shmo on a certain founding zionist
So classic cherrypicking for this agenda
7:00 AM
The ones "cherry-picking" are people like you who live in a farce. Zionism was fought 75 years ago and it's over. Stop harping on BS it's not bringing achdus.
As far as the Chazon Ish "taking off his glasses when he met Ben- Gurion" is an out-and-out lie. As the Chazon Ish was farsighted and needed his glasses for reading only. We don't need the Chazon Ish to paskin that we can say "Yemach Shmo" on Yeedin, we all say it about the Neturei Karta and their supporters.
12:32
From your comment, one can see that you are clueless in the politics of the Eida Hachreidis.
The Eida Hachreidis except for their Gaavids and Ravvids are a bunch of amai-ratzim. The Eida is run by a bunch of shrewd business people who know on which side their bread is buttered on.
Rav Meir Brandsdorfer z"l was a "kanai" because he desperately needed a parnassah and the Eida composed of amairatzim needed him as R' Meir z"l was a huge Torah Scholar. It was a great Shidduch except there came a point when R' Meir Z"l saw that the Eida were a bunch of Mafia goons and so he started his own Bais Din as his son R' Moshe pointed out in this interview. R' Moshe Brandsdorfer's uncles, R' Yedidye Brandsdorfer, R' Yissacher Dov (named after his grandfather R' Teichtal)Kloizner and Rav Yoisef Tzvi Brier are all closet Zionists. But as DIN pointed out they do follow the Satmar minhagim, one was the one DIN mentioned, that they put bubbilich in their chicken soup and the other minhag which DIN didn't write was that they also "Slurp" their soups, other than that they have absolutely no connection to Satmar.
7:00
If in fact the "Chazon Ish took off his glasses when he met Ben-Gurion, it was to take a better look at him, because the glasses of the Chazon Ish were recently auctioned off and they were glasses for reading ..
QED
Cherrypick spin around
who cares for facts
Nonsensical.Keep it up as broadcast of your typical demeaning value system
Name drop as long as it suits,then as the obvious fraud,spin out away from the camera
Note
It couldn't mean that much to them if they are prepared to trade their zionism off for so little
I am actually related to the Kloizners and I can tell you definitively, that the Brandsdorfers are not Satmar at all, and R' Meir z"l was not a Satmarer, though he was a kinoie. R' Moshe was pulling Frankfurters leg and does this all the time when Ami interviews him, knowing that this is what Y. Frankfurter wants to hear. And no we in the family do not put "bubilich in our chicken soup" though some of us "slurp" but not because we are Satmar!
itchy frankfarter and his klavta rechy make money off their machlokes mongering and yellow journalism rag called ami magazine, which should be used as toilet paper except its too thick and will cause tachtonios in the pi tabaas. every other page is a gashmiyus thick advertisement for exotic vacations for the mooching yungeleit on the shvers dime who need vacations from vacations, or juicy steaks and meat boards, exoctic alchoholic beverages for the baalebatish types to help their kids go otd, or concerts with a random hippie putz who calls himself a "musician", or knock off brand-named watches, in between the loshon hora articles and faltche kanoishe ads against lace cap sheitels and ads for luxury apartments (see the ads from just last week these hucksters started ripping off ozempic and marketing it as a kosher diet injection wtf wtf wtf...). to top it all off frankfarter has the chutzpah to self righteously self indulge himself behind the mask of a "charedi magazine with torah values representing klal yisrael" klal yisrael is screwed if this is the best we can up with to represent "the haredi community". at least the jewish press, which the bnei torah crowd used to rip on, has enough decency to call out our bullsh*t when need be. whoever taught fat frankfarter english should be ashamed...
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