Friday, June 2, 2023

Liberman: Vilna Gaon Studied Astronomy And Math, Lubavitcher Rebbe Earned Degrees And They Were Torah Giants

 

Yisrael Beytenu chairman MK Avigdor Liberman angered chareidi Knesset members on Wednesday, when he invoked the names of great rabbis who studied non-religious subjects in addition to Torah. Liberman spoke during a Knesset speech on a private bill to require core curriculum studies for all pupils and cancel exemptions for chareidi institutions.

“Elijah ben Shlomo Zalman, I don’t know if everyone knows him, the Vilna Gaon, studied astronomy and mathematics in his free time. When he was asked why he studied these topics, he replied that it helped him to understand our religious sources,” Liberman said.

“Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, studied at the University of Berlin and earned a doctorate, he mastered several languages and served in the US Navy as an electrical engineer and was a great rabbi. The degrees did not interfere with his spiritual education. Therefore, everything you [chareidi Knesset members] teach is a lie,” he charged.

MK Yinon Azoulay from Shas then came to the podium to speak and responded sharply  to Liberman’s criticism, stating that , “The head of Yisrael Beytenu stood here earlier and talked about the Vilna Gaon. You ignoramus from Moldova, you have no right to talk about the Vilna Gaon. You don’t know who the Vilna Gaon is. You should be ashamed of yourself. When you become like Maimonides, you will be able to preach to us. Who are you? Who are you to preach to us? You stand here all day and incite.”

Yisrael Beytenu later responded to Azoulay and said, “The racism and hatred spread by Shas is intolerable. You have no ownership of Judaism.”

Journalist Yael Zin later said that even though Azoulay’s statements were unacceptable, Liberman himself has yet to apologize for stating during his tenure as Finance Minister that the “Chareidim should be taken by wheelbarrow to the garbage”.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Uch. I found it funny that the Shas guy said “When you become like Maimonides, you will be able to preach to us.”… if they only knew how much he studied and valued secular knowledge

Garnel Ironheart said...

The Chareidi leadership has no arguments so it can just insult. Especially when Lieberman is right.

Anonymous said...

Don't overestimate the Vilna Gaon's math.
His Sefer on Geometry "Ayal Hameshulash" is grade school stuff.

Anonymous said...

Lieberman said the truth ,
and he has a right to say it .

Shouting him down , with no answer
bolsters his point.

He didn’t have a proper answer.

So did many Greats , study secular
Studies, Reb Yom Tov Lipman,
Zemach Dovid , Merkeves Mishnah,
more recently Chazon Ish , Seridai
Aish , and many more.

Anonymous said...

Why would you quote this ערל גוי? ?

Does the Gaon write anywhere that one should study math? No!
Does he write anywhere (everywhere!) that one should learn non-stop? Yes!
Does he famously criticize the RMBM for being ( negativity) influenced by the study of secular material? Yes!

Why even quote this fat Chazer eating chazer?
Maybe one self- hating Jew (you) resonates with another (him)

Akiva Eiger said...

11:59
Typical response from a naive Yeshivishe "shvantz"
First attack the guy personally calling a Jew an ערל גוי then give a half-assed stupid response!
"Does the Gaon write anywhere that one should study math? No!"
Does the Gaon write anywhere that one should eat Yapchik? Yet the Oilom Ha'Torah fressses Yaptchik and drowns it with Glenlivit

"Does he write anywhere (everywhere!) that one should learn non-stop? Yes!"
Well then he himself ignored it as he wrote a book on geometry

"Does he famously criticize the RMBM for being (negativity) influenced by the study of secular material? Yes!"
This dumb comment actually gives ammunition to Lieberman, you are saying that the Gaon, an Achron, criticized a Rishon who found it necessary to study secular material. And if he did criticize, so what? Who even cares? Most Rishonim and Achronim studied secular subjects and the list would fill a book.

Most Yeshivishe naaranim don't have the ability to give an educated reasonable response instead they resort to ad hominem attacks like this 11:59 shoiteh!

Anonymous said...

8:06 : just cause your fat x- chassidishe friends sole remaining connection to yishkeit is yapchik- don’t project that onto Torah observant Jews.

Who says Ivet is Jewish?

Anonymous said...

Did the Rebbe institute secular studies in his yeshivas? NO!!

Did the Gra’s main Talmid CLOSE his yeshiva at even the thought? YES!

So what are we even discussing

Anonymous said...

1:52
Before you make stupid ignorant comments like
"Did the Gra’s main Talmid CLOSE his yeshiva at even the thought? YES!"
do some research and find out what really happened.
The Yeshiva would have closed anyway because of extreme family infighting, they were looking for an excuse to close so they used this lame one and now the dumb litvaks think that this "reason" is Toras Moshe!
Many talmidim wrote letters back home to their parents describing what was really going on and some of these letters survived, and are being published and as the truth comes to light, the litvaks are scrambling to contain the damage.
Avreichim and their huge families in Israel are becoming a huge burden for the State and if they don't shape up very soon, learning some secular subjects to help facilitate their skills, there will be a civil war and the majority of chilonim are in the IDF!

Anonymous said...

Who cares what this Jew hating felon has to say? If you feel what he cherry picked to slander the Jews, is right, just write it for what it is