There is a common—extremely common—claim that Haredim make whenever there is a riot or act of violence carried out by members of the Eida Haredit or the Peleg Yerushalmi:
“We aren’t those Haredim. They are extremists; we’re not. Rabbi X doesn’t agree with rioting. There are differences in hashkafa (outlook, beliefs, worldview). The secular world doesn’t understand the distinctions between the various groups.”
This morning, the day after the Alon Shvut riot, Radio Qol B’Rama’s Yaki Adamker and Yisrael Cohen—two of Israel’s most prominent Haredi journalists—interviewed Rav Boaz Naqi, a spokesman for the Peleg Yerushalmi.
I don’t particularly care about what he said; frankly, there were no surprises. The issue is that they spoke with Rav Naqi at all. The interview was respectful, especially by the standards of Israeli news interviews. More important than the content or tone of the conversation is the fact that the conversation took place.
Qol B’Rama will not interview MKs from Yesh Atid. That is a policy decision; they are effectively off-limits. A few months ago, for the first time in a very long time, these same two journalists interviewed a Yesh Atid MK. The conversation lasted roughly 30 seconds. One of the journalists felt the need to insult the MK at the beginning of the interview. The MK hung up, and that was the end of it.
When Haredim make their claim—that there are important differences between groups, that Rav Dov Landau or Rav Moshe Hirsch may despise the state but do not encourage violence, and that they are not like the Peleg or the Eida—they forget one important point: no one cares.
No one outside their community cares about the microscopic distinctions between these worldviews. Perhaps those differences would make for an interesting graduate-school seminar, but in the real world they are largely irrelevant. Put aside, for the moment, the argument that Rav Landau’s and Rav Hirsch’s statements help lay the intellectual groundwork for the violence perpetrated yesterday. That is a separate and important discussion. The critical point is that these differences are an illusion.
More significantly, the Haredim themselves do not seem to care. Mainstream Haredi media figures clearly view someone like Rav Boaz Naqi as part of their community. No mainstream Haredi journalist would refuse to interview members of these groups. No one is going to exclude them from a minyan. (Full disclosure: I have attended synagogues in Haredi neighborhoods where I was not counted for a minyan. It was rare, but it happened.) No one is going to question the kashrut standards of the Eida Haredit. No one is going to do anything remotely comparable to what some—admittedly a small number of—religious Zionist rabbis and community leaders have done in response to the hilltop rioters.
Anyone who read the tepid condemnation issued by the Shas and Degel HaTorah MKs saw a perfect example of what I mean. Not one word about who committed the crime. Not one word about who was attacked. They condemned violence in the abstract. They devoted far more words to criticizing the Supreme Court and defending their own community than they did to condemning the attack itself. These MKs felt that their job is to protect their community, including the rioters.
So yes, it was Haredim who rioted—without any adjective attached to soften, qualify, or limit that description.
9 comments:
This is true. "Mainstream" are morphing into kanoiim thanks to these policies of the State
12:06
Your comment is the quintessential example of what is now called "gaslighting."
They are " morphing into kanoiim" because they are bored out of their minds, brainwashed by their Roshei Yeshiva, who need to control them!
Everyone knows that the protestors with their fancy "chups" hairstyles are getting their teenage frustrations out by torturing the rest of the hardworking Jews! Sitting in front of buses and cars for hours on end.
The iSraeli public incuding the frum are getting fed up with this crap, and they are stooping to fund the yeshivos, that's why they are shipping the RY off to the USA so the suckers can make up for the deficits!
If you think in terms of "chups" you are still satmar
You can take the jew out of satmar, but it is much harder to take satmar out of a jew.
A few years ago, I was at a pesach PRogram, and chanced on an ad hoc mincha minyan that followed a shiur by a mainstream charedi RY of a mainstream yeshiva..
The RY instructed a gabbai to count if he has a minyan, but only count people with black hats
I promptly left the room and davened a few hours later at an "official" minyan.
LOL!
This blog will never stop ridiculously splitting hairs to lump all Litvisher with Peleg & all Satmar with NK - all while putting on a veneer that he’s a holy roller compared to his fellow traveler king of smears, the Failed Shmatta. I was at a mostly Satmar Pesach retreat. In hindsight the oylam there was right to not invite the Moderner looking individuals to ad hoc minyanim. One of them wasn’t allowed to daven because he was stoned which the management & the guests were all upset over his disruptions. A tzveiter had an autistic adult son with him who was doing gross behaviors that belong in a bathroom. A dritter was a Conservative koifer, not even Modern Orthodox. In fact it would’ve been appropriate to not let them in the regular shul minyanim. The Conservative showed up to Shacharis one morning wearing loose fitting shorts that fell to his ankles. He doesn’t own underwear apparently.
4:23
You remind me of the New Testament, the Christian Bible.
the Gospel of Luke! The story over there goes almost exactly as your Pesach story,
A Jewish man traveled from Yerushlayim to Yericho, Robbers attacked him stole his clothes and beat him to a pulp, then a Kohein walked by, and did nothing to help him, then a Levi walked by and also refused to help him, finally a Samartian (Conservative Jew) came and he helped him, hence the term "Good Samaritan."
See the similarities to your lying story?
What a coincidence! First a Kohein, then a Levi and then a Samaritan, in that order! What are the chances?
First a MO, then a guy with an autistic son, then a conservative Koifer!
The Pope would have a lot of nachas from you!
You see, DIN is such a feineh Tzioni he’s even a buki in avoida zura to recite the Gospel of Luke baal peh! Just like the son of the Uganda maniac Herzl!
I'm "reciting the Gospel of Luke" because when I quote Torah sources, you dismiss it, so I thought that a guy who constantly ignores Torah sources and twists its holy words cannot be from zera Yisrael, so maybe I can penetrate your farshupte farkimter kup with the Gospels!
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