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| Harav Hatzaddik Yaakov Levanon Shlita |
!לא תעמוד על דם רעך
Rabbi Yaakov Levanon, one of the rabbis of Har Hamor Yeshiva, attacked the Haredi position that Torah scholars are exempt from military service in a special lecture.
"No Torah scholar is exempt. If there is a battle involving lives, then you're exempt? How can anyone say something so horrific? Let me use the word 'horrific.' I want you to understand. Are there different opinions here? No, there are no opinions. This is a horrific opinion."
The rabbi intensified his remarks and added:
"To say that a Torah scholar is not included in a situation of saving lives, that he does not come to help? This drives me crazy. I can't say more than that, so I will stick to using the word 'horrific.' From a Torah perspective, it is horrific to say such a thing."
He went on to describe the feelings that this position arouses in him.
"It is cruelty. It is contemptible. It reflects a complete lack of basic moral character. That's what it is."
To illustrate his argument, he gave an example from everyday life:
"Let's see what happens in his own home. The kollel student from Ponevezh would run like a Golani reconnaissance soldier to shut off a leaking faucet or take a scorching-hot frying pan and carry it outside to the balcony. His wife can't do that herself. But when it comes to the Jewish people as a whole, suddenly he's exempt."
The rabbi added that his difficulty with this position stems precisely from his commitment to the honor of Torah.
"It destroys me. I feel anguish for the Torah when I hear this. This is not honoring the Torah; it is destroying the Torah. Saying that Torah scholars are exempt is not honoring the Torah. I cannot live with this idea."
16 comments:
Let's anticipate the pushback. Har HaMor isn't a real yeshiva because it's Dati Leumi, right? So he's not a real Godol(tm) because he's not Chareidi, right? Who is he to tell The Gedolim(tm) who 100% oppose him that they're wrong?
Very good but today’s Rabbonim don’t believe in Dass Torah unless it’s theirs
When DIN calls excitedly calls someone a gadol, it’s true, as in the BIGGEST Adam KOTTON!
Zalman
'I was waiting for a comment like yours. I knew that some Yeshivishe naive clueless creature would say that.
They put everyone who isn't like them, but when I call out their "gedoilim" they go crazy!
Playing the victim, making them infallible so that no one can say anything about them
Zalman bachie, the game is over, we are all watching the streets as the Bnei-Torah, all students from your gedoilim behaving like animals!
Mr. DIN, be honest. You likely never heard of this Rabbi Levanon before, or if you did, you never held him in the greatest esteem, but when he comes out of the woodworks to counter Chareidi Gedolim, suddenly he becomes a "Tzaddik" and "Gadol"! Considering barely any Chareidim ever heard of him, his words will make no difference to them.
As for his words that Torah Scholars are not exempt, go open a rambam and look at the guidelines instead of gloating over some DL clueless Rabbi who speaks in the name of the Torah, but in reality is no different than a tuna-beigel like you. For shame!
6:54
YOU be honest, did you ever hear of Rav Landau 5 years ago? How about Rav Edelstein?
Oh wow! Chreidim never heard of him? WOW!
I'll bet they heard about him now!
Talking about the Rambam, the Rambam clearly states that in a defensive war, everyone goes to the army!
?האחיכם יבו למלחמה ואתם תשבו פה
I am not at all surprised that you denigrate a Great Talmid Chachim and Rosh Yeshiva, because he tells the truth
"DL clueless Rabbi who speaks in the name of the Torah, but in reality is no different than a tuna-beigel like you."
This is the typical Yeshivishe response to anyone that talks truth to power!
We are no longer taken in with your "wheelchair" Gedoilim!
I heard of Rav Landau and Rav Edelstein years ago - Rav Edelstein more since Rav Landau wasn't involved in public affairs until recently.
Look at the Rambam end of Shmita V'Yovel - clearly exempting Talmidei Chachamim not just Shevet Levi. It's debatable if this war is considered "defensive" or a "Milchemes Mitzvah" - certainly not for some am ha'areytz like you or little-known DL Rabbi to decide.
"Wheelchair gedolim"? Wow! I saw them and many other Gedolim who well into their nineties (or older) walking just fine with their minds completely sharp. How many DL Gedolim reached their age, or have their faculties intact when they're anywhere close to that age? Can you name one?
It's fine. Real Gedolim don't need your haskama; they are doing jyust fine without it much to your dismay..
7:45
In a couple of years you will also be able to say that you heard about the Gadol Harav Yaakov Levanon, "years ago."
Ok let's open the Rambam
It's absolutely NOT "debatable" if this is a "Milchemes Mitzvah," ask those who lost children, husbands, siblings, wives!
By Moshe Rabbeinu, Learning was NOT an exemption;
?האחיכם יבוא למלחמה ואתם תשבו פה
Now let's open the Rambam
משנה תורה, הלכות מלכים ומלחמות ז׳
בְּמִלְחֶמֶת מִצְוָה הַכּל יוֹצְאִין וַאֲפִלּוּ חָתָן מֵחַדְרוֹ וְכַלָּה מֵחֻפָּתָהּ:
Now that we cleared this up,
"Real Gedoilim?"
What exactly makes them "Real"?
Comparing Jewish children in uniform to "Garbage Cleaners?"
https://dusiznies.blogspot.com/2023/11/rav-y-b-schreiber-theres-no-need-to.html
or
Rav Landau that said in a rant talking about Dati Leumi Gedoilim:
"Idf soldiers are killed because their rabbis teach them a distorted Torah"
Is that an example of a Gadol that says that Talmedei Chachamim teach "distorted Torah?"
או לספינה שאבד קברניטה
The Gemmarra in Mesactas Sotah (דף צז,עמוד ב) said it best
פני הדור כפני הכלב
DIN "Talking about the Rambam, the Rambam clearly states". Not sure why you don't simply quote yourself as THE PRE-EMINENT GADOL?
1. Hearing of a DL rabbi means nothing.
2. Just because people are killed doesn't make it a milchemes mitzvah. I heard Rav Lopiansky suggest Hamas etc. has a din of "rodef" which makes more sense, but he's far from alone. Milchemes Mitzvah has a lot of variables, and I certainly wouldn't trust a brainwashed Zionist to decide such a complicated psak halacha for me.
3. I don't agree that Jews in uniform are garbagemen; I found that statement abhorrent. As for "Torah Akuma", we only know the soundbite from Rav Landau, not the context of the conversation, but if their leaders are telling them to enter danger zones, such as the Har Habayis (besides all the issurim involved since there's no way the hamon am knows exactly where to go), and living in close proximity to vicious terrorists who want to kill you (setlements) because of the "greatest mitzvah in the Torah - and the the Zionists only mitzvah in the Torah - Yishuv Eretz Yisroel", that is definitely "Torah Akuma" and is causing innocent Jews to get killed.
There's much more, but I just destroyed you, so why go further?
This is the same DIN who was once laughing off the Gaon Oilam R' Dovid Povarsky ztl with the excuse that some leidigeyers in his Beit Shemesh shul never heard of him (which only speaks to their sad ignorance). Now he's ever the hypocrite with taynos that the oilam Hatayreh isn't bakant with some krum gadfly who he's trying to prop up as the 2nd coming of the Maharal kaviyochel. How perverse!
Called it! Gawd, this losers are so predictable.
What does it say when you open the thread with my comment that chareidi apologists will delegitimize this Rav based on their "Only Chareidim are true Torah Jews" delusion and they read it and still do it?
11:43
If you are following me, then you are agreeing that I am THE PRE-EMINENT GADOL! But its not only you, just yesterday I had 70,346 views!
thanks
Did Rav Lopiansky have any relatives murdered in this war?? Just aski'n!
"1. Hearing of a DL rabbi means nothing." I agree it means nothing, but you are the one that said "I never heard of him"!
You lie when you write:
"soundbite from Rav Landau, not the context of the conversation"
The entire conversation was recorded and it went viral, it was 1000% in context, he has made many outrageous statements, for example during a Mayoral election in Beit Shemesh that took place 4 months after October 7, he said that the election was a "Milchemes Mitzvah" and he shut down all Torah Learning in Yeshivos that had talmidim that were eligible to vote and bussed them in from Bnei-brak, Yerushalayim, Beitar Illit!
So an election against a Mayor that was a Shomeret Torah Umitzvois was a "Milchemes Mitzvah" in his view and the Oct 7 war was NOT a Milchemes Mitzva!
You guys are trying to pull the wool over eyes, but we are much smarter than that. He is delusional, and those following him are insane!
You make another lying statement:
"Har Habayis (besides all the issurim involved since there's no way the hamon am knows exactly where to go),"
Were you ever there?? Of course not! You just shoot your trap off!
There are Rabbanim there that point out exactly where one can go!
We ave gedoilim that are matter to go up to Har Habayis, You listen to yours and we will listen to ours, but why denegrate those that say that you can go up? Are you so insecure of your position that you cannot say your opinion without denigrating the Rabbanim and Gedoilim that are Matter?
Now your last comment is apikorsas:
" living in close proximity to vicious terrorists who want to kill you (setlements) because of the "greatest mitzvah in the Torah - and the the Zionists only mitzvah in the Torah - Yishuv Eretz Yisroel", that is definitely "Torah Akuma" and is causing innocent Jews to get killed.
This is exactly...exactly what the Meraglim said, and they were bigger Tzadikim than Rav Landau, as the Orach Hachyim Hakodosh states in Parshas Shlach that the Meraglim were chosen by the RBS"O Himself
אֶ֚פֶס כִּֽי־עַ֣ז הָעָ֔ם הַיֹּשֵׁ֖ב בָּאָ֑רֶץ וְהֶֽעָרִ֗ים בְּצֻר֤וֹת גְּדֹלֹת֙ מְאֹ֔ד וְגַם־יְלִדֵ֥י הָֽעֲנָ֖ק רָאִ֥ינוּ שָֽׁם׃
עֲמָלֵ֥ק יוֹשֵׁ֖ב בְּאֶ֣רֶץ הַנֶּ֑גֶב וְ֠הַֽחִתִּ֠י וְהַיְבוּסִ֤י וְהָֽאֱמֹרִי֙ יוֹשֵׁ֣ב בָּהָ֔ר וְהַֽכְּנַעֲנִי֙ יוֹשֵׁ֣ב עַל־הַיָּ֔ם וְעַ֖ל יַ֥ד הַיַּרְדֵּֽן׃
Potato Kugel 2:15
I'm not the one who judged how "great" a Gadol is by whether people heard of him or not!
It WAS YOU! Who said that you "never heard of Harav Hagoen Yaakov Levanon Shlita, to denigrate him, so I pointed out that just a couple of years ago no one heard of Rav Landau either!
B"H we still can see what YOU wrote and how I responded!
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