Rabbi David Stav, chairman of the Tzohar Rabbinical Organization and Chief Rabbi of the City of Shoham, sharply criticizes the Israeli government’s proposed legislation on the recruitment of haredi men into the Israel Defense Forces, calling the bill misleading, ineffective, and morally indefensible in the wake of Israel’s ongoing security challenges.
Speaking with Arutz Sheva-Israel National News, Rabbi Stav rejected claims that opposing the government’s proposal amounts to an attempt to topple the coalition. While acknowledging that political stability is a legitimate concern, he argued that the current legislation sacrifices fundamental values while pretending to achieve reform.
“It is a legitimate position to say: I want more haredim to serve, but I prioritize the survival of the government," Rabbi Stav said. “What is not legitimate is to present a bill as historic and transformative when everyone knows it will not draft anyone who does not already intend to enlist."
According to Rabbi Stav, the proposed law falsely promises the enlistment of tens of thousands of haredi men while quietly ensuring that no real change will take place. He accused politicians of privately admitting the bill’s ineffectiveness while publicly promoting it as a breakthrough.
“No one who does not intend to go to the army will go because of this bill," he said. “Everyone knows this."
Beyond political maneuvering, Rabbi Stav framed the issue as a matter of Torah values and social responsibility. He argued that Jewish law and ethics demand shared participation in defending the country, especially at a time when Israel faces prolonged military engagements and deep uncertainty.
“The Torah requires that each one of us serve," he said. “You are not allowed to abandon Torah values for the sake of political convenience."
Rabbi Stav pointed to the heavy burden borne by reservists and their families, many of whom are now serving their sixth or seventh deployment since the outbreak of war. He described the strain on spouses and children, recounting the moment his own daughter-in-law learned her husband would miss Passover due to reserve duty.
“When you see families collapsing under this weight, you cannot stand aside," he said. “You cannot ignore reality."
He also criticized religious leaders for failing to offer even symbolic support for military service among haredim. Rabbi Stav said that if senior rabbis were to publicly state that those not studying Torah full-time should enlist, the conversation would look very different. Instead, he claimed, some leaders continue to use harsh rhetoric against the army, portraying it as a force that threatens religious identity.
“In closed rooms they say openly: nobody is going to enlist," he said. “They describe the army as an attempt to secularize or ‘convert’ us. There is no good faith here."
Rabbi Stav further argued that the bill manipulates statistics by counting as “haredi recruits" individuals who attended haredi schools years earlier but have long since left religious frameworks. “If someone truly wanted to draft haredim," he asked, “why would they count boys who left that world at age 13 or 14?"
Addressing claims that change must come through dialogue rather than legislation, Rabbi Stav said such conversations have been ongoing for decades with little result. In practice, he argued, the state has incentivized non-service through financial support, tax exemptions, and benefits for yeshiva students, while offering few consequences for refusal to enlist.
“The only place we see real change is where there is fear of sanctions," he said, noting that a significant number of haredi recruits come from immigrant families, particularly from North America, who are uncomfortable violating the law or being labeled as offenders.
While Rabbi Stav acknowledged that small shifts are occurring on the margins, he emphasized that these changes are happening despite rabbinic leadership, not because of it. “The positions against service are hardening," he warned. “That is what we are seeing. This is not only a political issue. It is a test of responsibility, solidarity, and truth."
Asked whether he felt disappointed by the lack of change following the October 7th massacre, Rabbi Stav drew a distinction between disappointment and frustration.
“I did not expect something different, so I am not disappointed," he said. “But I am deeply frustrated. How can people who speak in the language of Torah and solidarity watch thousands of families suffer and remain silent?"
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Suck it up buddy! And ironic how Stav (who is Open Orthodox per his sick hashkofos & disputes with Dati Leumi) can complain about Torah values with a straight face!
Der Vus lacht Tzim Leztens
The "Sick Hashkofos" are Chardei Hashkofos, to them they want others to die for them while they suck the benefits dry, that others work and pay for.
They do not care about safety and even when 45 of their own were murdered by Chardeidim themselves in Meron, and 2 infants dead in an unlicensed Day care, and refuse to have the children vaccinated even after 13 deaths in less than a year... and have protests where in every single protest they get killed or badly injured, so take your "sick hashkofos" and shove them where the sun will never shine!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ahvN4L-fDQQ
Bravo!
Suck it up, buddy?’ One pauses, almost in disbelief, to ask: is this truly the register in which you have been educated to address a Rav in public discourse? Is this the sum total of your contribution—bravado masquerading as argument?
You appear to luxuriate in the casual deployment of labels, blithely dismissing Rav Stav as ‘open Orthodox’—a phrase that functions here not as description but as insult, not as analysis but as the verbal equivalent of throwing mud and calling it scholarship. It is vacuous name-calling, nothing more.
If you take issue with any of his halakhic positions, then by all means—demonstrate the depth of your learning. Cite sources. Engage the arguments. Refute them with the seriousness that Torah demands. But if your quarrel is with his hashkafic outlook, then you surely understand—or ought to—that there is no such thing as psak in hashkafa. There never was. Judaism has always encompassed legitimate breadth of thought outside the narrow confines of binding legal ruling.
What is unbecoming is not disagreement, but this mindless, sneering commentary, offered without substance and without responsibility. Perhaps it is fortunate that you conceal your real name; at least your family is spared the embarrassment of seeing such frivolity attached to it.
That’s rich what kind of Kuved that Balbin is monning for DIN when DIN is constantly spewing gutter insults at countless readers who disagree with him. And that Balbin is coming to the defense of the Open Schmorthodox who his Guru Hershel Schechter is opposed to
Why are you knocking Balbin? Why don't you debate him?
Why do you attack a reader with your hominem remarks ?
Because you are not only a huge am-haaaretz but a hater of other Jews as well! מי שפוסל במימו פוסל
Despite your denials he did debate Balbin! Balbin demanded a measure of civility for you that you yourself don’t adhere to, not by a long shot! And Balbin demanded something substantial against the pseudo-Orthodox movement. So when it’s mentioned that Balbin’s own rebbi muvhok RHS from YU is opposed to that ragtag bunch, that should be all the proof in the world that he needs. But leave it to DIN to come running to his own defense & to the defense of every miserable louse abee he is Zionist
In one of his outbursts not long ago, DIN cited Sruly Bornstein as proof positive that you don’t have to bleib in kollel to be big in lernen. There is currently a video circulating that stars Sruly Bornstein who is essentially covering up for Margo & the other architects of the cover up for Kolko molesting in excess of 100 boys in the YTT basement boiler room, many of them little 6 year olds who Margo violently smacked in the punim when they complained that Kolko’s filthy hands were going where they shouldn’t. This was worse than what any Otisville inmate did that DIN keeps crowing about. These are 100+ murder victims as defined by the Torah (& which DIN alein sometimes agrees with depending if conflicts with his agendas). One by one, DIN keeps rallying all kinds of “prizes” to his side!
Doo Do
"Despite your denials he did debate Balbin!"
Why are you writing "he" when its YOU!
That’s what Isaac Balbin Baggins Hates!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIC_dFb5aBY
Criticize Tzionim & point out their chesronos. The bunch of Minim vos machen bizyonos!
Balbin Baggins: could you please not do that!
Otisville is not strictly Charedi. I think Bergman may have been there. He’s the Modern Orthodox Tzioni who oddly davened in Vayelepol, infamous for the nursing home bodies kept in freezers to collect their checks
I love that Balbin Baggins video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0HzBST_794
But the full version actually looks more like unzerreh Convention!
Stripes
"Otisville is not strictly Charedi"
I agree, I heard that there are goyim there too!
Stripes too
Bergman "Modern Orthodox Tzioni "
Wrong!
He was the Spinka Rebbes brother-in-law
A chardeie from when he had his bris!
Oh cmon DIN! You know Bergman is a gevorenner Tzioni mit a Srugie who the family moved out to West Hempstead
Sasregin Felon
Bergman married the Spinka Rebbes Sister, he was a Chardeie מבטן אימו
he then turned Mizrachi, but that doesn't change one thing!
All Holocaust survivors were secret Zionists including Satmar Chassidim, hence the Satmar pushing out "Al Hagila" in a panic in 1967!
The next generation of course listened to the Satmar Garbage Propaganda and became haters of other Jews!
Pass the chicken soup!
And here we were thinking DIN strives for excellence? Frankel's shul is highest per Capita in felons which is why Otisville is called Snif Frankel's. But DIN wants to associate mit lowly Sassregen which is maybe #2 & not even close! Phooey!
What will DIN ascribe to Charedim next? Modern Orthodox is a new fangled meshugass so he may as well blame every single outrage from Moderner kreizen on Charedim because not so long ago in the Heim all Moderner mishpochos were more Heimish, not just Bernie Bergman!
Zeyer interressant that DIN keeps associating with oh so controversial characters. Many Dati Leumi rabbis that DIN admires feel stabbed in the back by Stav. And isn't Sassreggen that sick place where the viral video emerged of a mispalel being physically beaten because he was concerned about sakonas nefoshos protocols at the onfang of the covid pandemic?
Pray tell—by what contorted act of intellectual gymnastics did you arrive at the conclusion that I was, in any conceivable universe, mounting a defence of *Open Orthodoxy*? One is driven, reluctantly but inexorably, to one of two deductions: either your education omitted the elementary discipline of close textual reading, or you have been dealt, by some cruel lottery of nature, an insufficiency of comprehension when faced with plain English.
Allow me, then, to state it with crystalline clarity. To brand Rav Stav as ‘Open Orthodox’ is not argument; it is mud-slinging dressed up as taxonomy. If you dispute his *halakhic* positions, then by all means—produce sources, marshal evidence, engage in the venerable tradition of rigorous debate. But if your grievance lies in the realm of *hashkafa*, then at least have the honesty to recognise that hashkafic questions are not subject to some monolithic *psak*, nor is there an obligatory, universally binding ‘daas Torah’ that one must parrot on matters of worldview.
In short: trade slogans for substance, and invective for scholarship.
One of the fresser dwarves from the tish scene actually reminds me of Isaac Balbin!
MaMa
Modern Orthodox maybe very well be a new "meshugas" but it is older than the twisted "Chardeie" shittisim and havolim!
I grew up amongst Holocaust survivors and learned in both Chassidishe and Oberlander Yeshivos, never heard the word "Chardeie" you were either frum or not frum!
Some wiseass with buttons above his derrière and who wanted to split the Jews more than ever, came up with this term!
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If they "feel stabbed in the back by Stav" they should recite Krias Shma!
It seems you missed the entire premise of the interview instead you focus on Shtissim!
What is more ironic that you accuse me of bashing Chardeim and here you bring me two CHAREIDIE shuls that you say should be a "snif of Ottsville". Turns out that you are the ones hating and bashing Charedim !
So it doesn’t matter that Mizracheeest Bernard Bergman had a new identity, we ought to keep considering him a Spinker, so sayeth the Unterlander Oracle DIN? Ok, then DIN is still Satmar! You can rip the kishkes araus fin Satmar on the blog but you can’t be toiref the Satmar out of DIN!
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