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Monday, December 8, 2025

Major Chassidus Openly Worships Idolatry!


Chassidim and Yeshivish circles often criticize Chilonim relentlessly, sometimes even going so far as to deny their Jewishness altogether.

One prominent leader of a major Chassidus even questioned Chabad’s campaign to encourage secular Jews to put on tefillin, offering the twisted logic that such efforts are futile since they have “hirhurim.” It sounds absurd, but I’ve seen people on my own blog defending this childish sevarah.

And yet, when one of their own makes far more outrageous claims, the silence is deafening. Reb Mendele Viznitzer — who himself once referred to his own role as a “shvantz,” a tail — has followers who treat him as immortal, even divine. 

If he calls himself a “shvantz,” who am I to argue?

The irony is glaring. The very Chilonim whom these groups disparage do not worship avoda zara. But within their own ranks, they tolerate and even celebrate behavior that borders on idolatry.

49 comments:

Shmitzik vee a Rodney Toilet said...

There are Satmar jokers who get a lot of mileage taunting Vizhnitzers with “Shvantz”. I’ve heard vus er rift zich Shvantz but I don’t know why. What’s that takke about?

Chatzkal said...

He doesn’t call himself a shvantz; he calls his chasidim “shventz” (the plural of shvantz). He says this is the “shita hakedoisha” of his father, the Yeshuas Moshe. It’s meant to express that a chasid should be completely subservient to his rebbe. Many people have serious issues with this, as can be seen in the video.

One of the problems with this (among others) is: how can a person sit down to the Yomtov seudah on Rosh Hashanah and say “shenihiye l’rosh v’lo l’zanav” if he considers himself a shvantz?

Garnel Ironheart said...

Jews copy from non-Jews and then revise history to make it look like they came up with it first.
Chasidish dress is a copy of Gentile clothing. Rebbes are little Popes each with their own personal Vatican.
As a defunct website caliming to be from Lubavitch once pointed out with a picture of Yoshke on the cross, "Right ideae, wrong guy!"

dusinhypocrite said...

"the silence is deafening".What planet are you from?Everyone has mocked them.THERE IS NO SILENCE.
Btw, what have YOU had to say about a much larger group who claim that their leader lives for ever and ever? HYPOCRITE

Dusiznies said...

Tuchishypcrite
I was waiting for you to come out with your hate, like when the roaches come out when you switch the lights on!
Chabad believes their rebbe is Moshiach, which is not kfirah on any level, the Visnitzer Sheventz believe their rebbe is god!
I have not heard from any Torah leader condemning these Baalei Avoda Zara!

Anonymous said...

You are such a hypocrite.Saying someone lives for ever and ever and ever, is what?Not deification?
Happens to be that Chidu Weiss satmar dayan from Antwerp is on video calling, Mendel hager apikorsus
You are a person who is kulo negios. You are unable to be objective.Hagers group is a small kehilla that everyone considers crazy, while the other group is much larger, more powerful with many similarities

Asiatisher Marmorosher Ferd said...

Is Satmar still bossing around Vizhnitz in South Blooming Grove, dictating to them what time they should end Shabbos? They only do that to Vizhnitz, not to the Litvisher kehilla there

Dusiznies said...

7:05
"Saying someone lives for ever and ever and ever, is what?Not deification?"
Actually no!
The midrash states that Elyahu Hanavie lives forever, also Yishai the father of Dovid Hamelech!
The Satmar Dayan of Antwerp needs to get a day job, of course he will call anyone who is not Satmar, "an apikoras"

Mendel-Mendel גזירה שוה said...

DIN is a Chusid of the Crown Heights Rebbe Mendel (Schneerson), so he is beating up on Rebbe Mendel Hager, while giving his Crown Heights Rebbe Mendel a free pass.

This guy has connections with Chabad Lubavitch-birds of a feather said...

https://collive.com/viznitzer-rebbe-tours-770-shul/

https://collive.com/vizhnitz-rebbe-is-in-crown-heights/

Maybe he picked up some of his craziness and Rebbe worship philosophy from Chabad.

סנעג said...

ברוך אתה ה' אלקינו מלך העולם שלא עשני "חסיד".

Anonymous said...

If you already want to twist the sources to fit your prejudices why can't mendel hager use this:מאן פני אדון ה'? דא רבי שמעון בר יוחאי?
BTW Chidu Weiss is an ish emes .,talmid chochom and bal chesed.
You are an oopgerisener ferd.zYou should become a card carrying card of the Meshichist cult since "there is nothing wrong with their beliefs:

Philly Robot said...

When the City of Brotherly Love would not allow Philly yeshiva to operate at the height of covid they secretly were taken in by Satmar KJ to operate over there. This is beyond Philly anti-Vax shtussim. Philly-Satmar spent the rest of the pandemic trading notes on how to make sure the gantz oylam gets infected. It was central to their power plays. Satmar made sure that the rest of the Ingrisher didn’t comply with any covid precautions & Philly hijacked Agudah & TU to literally force it on the Litvishe velt. One yeshiva that wasn’t going along with the Philly script, Agudah quickly jumped in to alter policies when the Rosh yeshiva there fell ill & couldn’t stop them. There were even Agudah operatives working on forcing the home schooled kids out of home & back into the brick & mortar incubators of the virus. Satmar-Philly were afraid of losing money AND losing control of the shepselach jumping when they bark, if they didn’t force a business as usual reaction to the pandemic. Perhaps due to this special upmach with Philly, Satmar KJ doesn’t needle the Litvisher next door in South Blooming Grove

Dusiznies said...

Menachim Moshiach
Believing that their rebbe is Moshiach is not kefira
What is kefira are the Viznitzer shventz that believe and worship their rebbe as a god!

Dusiznies said...

10:00
What am I "twisting"?
Talmud Baba Batra 121b, Mo’ed Katan 26a
States Befirish that Eliyahu lived forever

Eliyahu HaNavi did not die , but ascended to Heaven alive

As a result, Eliyahu is alive today, and regularly visits Earth to meet with people and to carry out missions.
The gemmarrah contains literally hundreds of stories of Eliyahu visiting great rabbis (many on a regular basis) or disguising himself as an ordinary human (such as a palace guard) and using his assumed identity to intercede with non-Jewish authorities and the like. (See e.g. Talmud Brachot 3a, 29b, Shabbat 33b, Yoma 19b, Ta’anit 22a, etc.) Occasionally, Eliyahu would bring other righteous people with him on visits to Heaven (Baba Metziah 85b, 114a).


Reader said...

"Believing that their rebbe is Moshiach is not kefira"

And when they say that a Rebbe is atzmus areingeshtelt in a guf???

Anonymous said...

This blog is hilarious but the comments are even better

It should be understood that said...

To understand Chabadianity and the issues with it requires study, The Chabadsker PR talking points don't give you the full story.

Just like with Merkaz Vizhnitz, Lev Tahor, they hide and obfuscate problematic aspects.

Dusiznies said...

Viewer
First, you made an idiotic claim that the fact that they believe that their rebbe is Moshiach is kefira, when I rebutted that this is not kfira, you now claim that they hold: Rebbe is atzmus areingeshtelt in a guf?
Well they are going with the Baal Hatanyeh that states that a Jewish Neshama is a
חלק אלוקי ממעל ממש
So unless you hold that the Baal Hatanyeh is a koifer they are saying nothing that is kefirah!

Shventz said...

Nuchem Rosenberg has been warning for years that Mendele is a dangerous pedophile!

Anonymous said...

The folks here that are saying that the same is true of Chabad are absolutely correct.
I highly recommend the book “The Rebbe, The Messiah, and the Scandal of Orthodox Indifference” by David Burger, and excellent analysis of how Chabad theology differs from such rebuttals raised by Reb DIN.
Reb DIN: I am an avid fan of you and your blog but I respectfully think you are wrong on this one.
Chabad theology is dangerous kefirah, yes, unfortunately they are very powerful in frum culture.
Regarding Mendel: thank you DIN for posting this, what is going on is absolutely heresy , it’s a cult of avodah zarah and abuse. I hope more people will start talking about this.

dusinhypocrite said...

DIN is a fellow ruled by emotions with no analytical skills.SO he has the groups he loves and the groups he hates:The Yeshiva World:Hates.Though he claims to be a talmid of Rabbi Binyomin Paler, a true Litvack, for whom the greatest insult would be that one of the students in his yeshiva came out a total am haretz. Satmar:Hates, no redeemable qualities in his square peg head.
Loves:Radicals such as Meir Kahane.Chabad, with its siginificant percentage of Moshichist/Yechi adomenu members.
His "answers" to the challenges on the Moshichist positions are laughable.
For such an apologist to criticize Mendel Hager and his crazy cult, while defending the defensless Moschichist nonsense is another example of his inability to analyze objectively
Aufen ganev brent dus hittel, he defends Lubavitch when in my comment the attack was against the Moshichits the crazy element there. Lubavitch, the normal ones have their issues but that is a a world apart from the Meshichist platform.
Oh, btw, DIN, please dont show your amaratzus by comparing the Tanyas , chelek Eloka memal mamash to Atzmus Umahus, where the Rebbe himself said it was his OWN understanding

Put your money where your mouth is said...

If DIN is the big goiel Chabad then shame on him for not shlepping zich along this week with the official Chabadsker entourage who went up to KJ to kiss the Rebbe’s posterior & gift him the new Tanya Hasholaim. Do you realize how hilarious this is? DIN flies off the handle when in Satmar they kiss the Rebbe’s hand that DIN poshut can’t imagine the filth involved in that, as he puts it. Well, the posterior is ben bnoi shel kal vachoimer over the hantelach! Hoo Hoo Ha Ha!!

dusihypocrite said...

https://x.com/josephblie/status/1996751350902690056 Chidu Weiss video calling out the Mendelisten

dusishypocxrite said...

DIN does not like posting critical comments so lets see if the censor allows this to pass
So you know the joke the closest group to Judaism,?
Lets analyze: Mendel Hagers is by almost everyone way beyond the red line:Despites DINs apologetics, what group is closest to Hagers?
Dont think that either Ponovezh,Belz,Karlin,BMG are candidates.

Meshichist or Bust said...

DIN conveniently ignores the Rambam that it was assur for MM to tell his Chassidim az er iz doch Moshiach, which Rabbi Berger documents the episodes that MM did that. The Brisker Rov identified the onfang already when it was hinted in the first published Sicha in 1952

Dusiznies said...

Vosizahh'hyocryte 7:36
Boy oh Boy you must be following me for years!! Shkoyach!!

Yes I'm a Talmid of Rav Binyomin Paler but I'm not the only am'hharetz; unfortunately, there were many! Just like in the other Litvisher Yeshivas which haven't produced a single Gadol or a Talmid Chachim in decades! Ruba de'ruba are Lomdishe ama-ratzim!

Actually, I don't hate Satmar I hate the SHIT'eh! But a dumb arse like you cannot see the difference!

I don't need to "defend Chabad" Chabad speaks for itself, and like it or not, they are a powerhouse all over the world, kein yirbu!

I don't need anyone to tell me what the Baal Ha'Tanya meant when he stated that
חלק אלוקי ממעל ממש
Its very clear, and to say that the Rebbe said that " it was his OWN understanding" makes no sense!
Of course, everyone who writes a sefer writes according to their" OWN understanding" what the H does that even mean??? Are you insane??

Dusiznies said...

Put the money where the sun won't ever shine 7:38
If Chabad is kefira like you state then r' Aaron is meeting and treating koifrim with the greatest respect!

Dusiznies said...

Tushilekker 8:14
That link doesn't work, and tell Chidu to shut up no one cares or even knows who he is!

Dusiznies said...

Tushi-lekkers 8:43
Who gives a flying crap to who is "the closest group to Judaism," ??? or "what group is closest to Hagers"
I'm no longer in cheder, I grew up!
You go and play with your Lego!

Dusiznies said...

8:50 Bustinabra
Why don't you read the Kisvei Ramchal where he states that he is Moshiach?
Many amoraim all over Shas believed that their rebbe was Moshiach!
The Brisker Rav is and was irrelevant except for a couple of "bushey peyos" followers that will never ever work for a living, no one really cares what he said, he had little impact on World Jewry whereas the Lubavitcher Rebbe made a tremendous difference in the world!
Where does the Rambam state that one shouldn't call himself Moshiach??
Are you telling that when Moshiach really comes he wont be telling anyone that he is Moshiach? How insane is that??

dusihypo said...

There are many great talmidei chachomim who came out of yeshivos.Unfortunately you would not know it because there is need for analytical skills

Dusiznies said...

Vusizhypo 9:47
Not only I "would not know it " no one else either!
It's such a secret that the guy himself doesn't know it!
Your idiotic statement, "there is a need for analytical skills."
makes no sense! Who needs their "analytical skills?" Every child who learns a Mishna has analytical skills!
yet the yeshivas and Kollilim haven't produced one single Gadol or produced one single popular Sefer!

dusinhypo said...

I did not touch the moshiach issue.I dint think the Rebbe ever said he was moshiach.He may have not been sure, his chasidim may have understood so.Add the Orach Chaim to people who mention their names as moshiach.

BTW, you comment about the Brisker Rov is so off the mark and complete tripe!
Your own Rebbe Reb Binyomin Paler was his talmid.The whole rabbinical world was in awe of the Brisker Rov and the Brisker derech.Yes, even Lubavitch was and is into the Brisker derech, though im not sure about their relationship with R' Velvel.In fact the Lubavitcher Rebbes father got Semich from his father R Chaim Brisker as the Rebbe himself said over in a public suicha.

dusihypo said...

Lol, dee oopgerisseneh ferd!
I meant you would need analytical skills to tell who is a talmid chochom.
There are so many great talmidei chachomim.RChaim Feinstein, R Issomor garbuz and his brothers.to name a FEW,

Anonymous said...

A chabad minus the crazy moshichists movement is something, even big misnagdim could live with.if chabad could or would at least want to send the on their merry way it would be a big tikkun

Takes the Cake! said...

We just read one of DIN’s most ignorant comments yet! Brisk is irrelevant. Oy, I’m laughing so hard it hurts! Brisk were zoiche that their Derech halimud became standard in every successful yeshiva!! Even some Chassidishe yeshivos have the Brisker Derech halimud like (but not limited to) Bobov!

Dusiznies said...

Vusizhypo?9:56
Yes indeed, Rav Paler z"l was a talmid muvhak of the Brisker Rav, but the Yeshiva and his shiurim were not in the Brisker derech,B"H otherwise all would have been produced a bunch of ama-ratzim!
You can drei and drei , except of a couple shuls, no one learns on the Brisker derech, because its a colossal failure, it hasn't produced Talmedei Chachamim and the only thing that it did produce is a special gel to fuzzy up the peyos, if you call that an accomplishment then ok!

Malice in Wonderland said...

Is DIN outright lying? Or does he really have zero clue about where the big lamdonim & baalei bekius are? Because if they’re not in Brisk kaviyochel they zicher ain’t in Gush, Krum beYavneh, etc! To everyone else getting confused by DIN’s Lukshin, Brisk covers masechtos that many yeshivos never touch. The Brisker Derech gives amazing klorkeit on the daf. DIN is making it sound like it’s the Telzer system of abstract Toiros, which Brisk is NOT. Some of the big lamdonim who were originally in Telz did not stick to the Telzer mehalech or else they would have been bogged down in just a few blatt & not have gone anywhere, become anything. Long Beach is also notorious for being bogged down in a few blatt. And notice that it’s rare to find peiros from Telz & Long Beach in Brisk

Dusiznies said...

vusizhypo 10:00
You need "analytical skills to tell who is a talmid chochom.?"
wait I just drank a hot coffee and got it all over myself!
One minute!! ok? Let me ask my wife to get me another shirt and pants .... wait ok?

Channnele sweetie! Can you get me a change of clothes? I'm online with a comedian and he has the funniest lines, I laughed so hard I spilled coffee all over, so sweetie, please hand me a fresh change of clothing!

Ok I'm back!
So what did you say exactly?
"You need "analytical skills to tell who is a talmid chochom.?""
On the other hand, maybe you are onto something after all! I think you really need analytical skills to tell if R' Malkiel Kotler is a Talmid Chochom!
BTW the guys that you mentioned must be living in Anchorage Alaska because I asked a few people and no one ever heard of them,.... so what you are saying is that from over 10,000 BMG Students you found two!
No corporate entity would survive with that percentage!

Yechee said...

Yeah, Chabad minus Meshichist lol. That’s like Shvartzas without melanin. Just like there is only a handful of albinos there is only a handful of non-Meshichist. Most of the “normal” Chabadniks are closet Meshichist for PR & fundraising purposes! The non-Meshichist shnit in Boro Park known as the Liozner are scorned in Crown Heights. There are 2 prestigious mishpochos in Chabad who get away with being non-Meshichist. The reason why 770 tolerates them is because they were Litvisher & Poilisher who are gevorenner they are cut some slack. Especially the Litvish mishpocho who could go right back to bring big names in Litvishe velt

Dusiznies said...

" Brisk were zoiche that their Derech halimud became standard in every successful yeshiva!!"
That comment needs to be sent to Arutz Shevam because that's news to everyone!
On the other hand, if that's in fact true then that answers why 99.9% of yeshiva graduates are ama-ratzim, they may know where the kohein has to spritz the blood but they don't know what bracha to make on a Ice Cream sandwich. Thank G-d for the girls otherwise the boys would never know how to run a kosher home!
You mentioned "Bobov" I wouldn't bring that up if I were you! והמבין יבון

Dr Goldman Petach Tikvah said...

I'm so enjoying DIN"s absolute brilliant and witty responses to the Yishivisha talking points that I'm compiling his responses and will publish a book and sell it on Amazon, it is in the category of
דע משתשיב
I privately emailed DIN if he would collaborate with me!

Bobov said...

So ok Bobov is not perfect like some other Chassidussen. But Rav Steinwurzel gave a great shiur in the yeshiva & knows how to make everything klor vee tog while seamlessly weaving in the R’ Chaims

Antwerpen said...

You should not be belittling Dayan Chidu Weiss. He is a breathe of fresh air in Satmar who is squashing molesters. And the corrupt ones don’t dare get in his way because they are afraid of his gadlus

Dusiznies said...

Alice in Brisk 9:01
Your statement that
"Brisk covers masechtos that many yeshivos never touch" is true because the other teshivois learn 90% of the other Mesactos that Brisk never touches! Besides the Daf Yoimi and Dirshu cover what they "learn" in Brisk.
Daf Yoimi is currently finishing Zevachim and I can tell you that in the shiur that I attend the guys learning there are far more knowledgeable of Zevachim than any Brisker!
"The Brisker Derech gives amazing klorkeit on the daf" Why don't you listen to a Baal Haboos like Sruly Bornstein he will give you a "klorkeit" in Brisk you will get a "klorkeit" of three and a half blatt! What a waste!
as far as your comment, " it’s rare to find peiros" yes I agree it's hard to find peiros in any yeshiva!
The seminaries have done a great job with their students

Dusiznies said...

Bobov
I'm glad you mentioned Rav Steinwurzel, as I knew him ver well.
Ill let you into a secret ....shhhhhhhh! don't tell anyone, shhhhhh!
Rav Steinwurzel was not a Bobover at all, in fact when Rav Steinwurzel joined Bobov he had a litvishe havara!

Dusiznies said...

Plotchker Antwerper fine schmeker 9:24
I love these Chassidishe/Litvishe commentators that mock and ridicule Dati Gedoiei Hador and even Chareidim that don't see eye to eye to them yet want us to respect theirs!
"You should not be belittling Dayan Chidu Weiss"
Oh! Wow! My "gadol" is a "breathe of fresh air "
How about my Gadolim R' Shlomo Aviner and Rav Melamed are a "breath of fresh air ?"
It goes both ways, if you mock and ridicule ours, we will mock and ridicule yours!
If you can dish it out, then you have to learn to take it as well!
You bring me a Ra'eh from a Satmar Dayan in Antwerp, calling out the VIznitzer Shvantz! This my friend is no Ra'eh as Satmar in general do not respect anyone that doesn't agree with their bizarre SHIT'ah!

FYI said...

"Rav Steinwurzel was not a Bobover at all, in fact when Rav Steinwurzel joined Bobov he had a litvishe havara!"

Nu, so I guess he was some type of Galitzianer who used a Litvishe havara for a time, and then reverted back to the havara of his father. That doesn't mean that he was a Litvak.