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Thursday, November 13, 2025

Chareidie Torah Leaders Finally Admit What we All Knew That their refusal to serve in the army isn’t about Torah!

 

by Nochum Weiss

There’s no other way to say it. The Charedi refusal to serve in the army isn’t about Torah. It’s about fear of exposure. Of losing control.

The official line - “we’re protecting Torah” is a non-starter. There’s more Torah study today than at any point in Jewish history. Nobody is threatening the Torah. 

What’s being protected is the system of control that depends on isolation.

Because the moment a young man or woman spends time in a mixed environment - hearing other accents, seeing other Jews who live differently but are still committed - the illusion starts to break. In the army, they learn to make decisions, to function without rabbinic oversight, to stand on their own. That independence is dangerous - not because it corrupts, but because it empowers.

And so, they don’t just refuse combat. They refuse any participation¹ - intelligence, logistics, tech, cooking - anything that could integrate them into national life. Because integration means exposure. Exposure means curiosity. And curiosity means the possibility of doubt.

The whole thing is a tantrum frozen in time. In 1948, Ben-Gurion treated it like one. He said fine - let a few hundred boys sit and learn². The child was small then. It was crying, and he figured it would grow up eventually. But it didn’t. It grew older without growing up.

Now the child is a full-grown adult still screaming on the floor, kicking its legs, demanding everyone else stop what they’re doing to accommodate its fear.

You can see it clearly in moments like this confrontation after October 7. A group of reservists met with Rabbi Tzvi Friedman. They spoke about a country in crisis. The house is on fire, they said. Everyone needs to grab a bucket.

Friedman didn’t argue the facts. He said the fire was irrelevant.

“Being in secular Israeli society,” he told them, “is worse than death.”

Separate Charedi units? “The army is one body; its spirit will seep in.”
Zionist culture, he said, “isn’t Judaism.” Hundreds of students had already signed declarations accepting death over enlistment.

When your entire world is built on the belief that isolation equals holiness, exposure feels like extinction. Zionism isn’t the issue - it’s just the symbol for a Jewish life that doesn’t require rabbinic permission to exist.

A faith that collapses the moment it meets the world isn’t faith. It’s fragility disguised as holiness.

And the fragility runs deep. They reject Zionism yet demand its funding. Call others immoral while depending on their labor and taxes. Preach spiritual strength but cannot survive a single draft notice without threatening to unravel.

That’s not holiness. That’s institutionalized weakness.

When yeshiva institutions spoof “Bring Them Home” imagery and protesters co-opt hostage symbols, that weakness turns into moral blindness.

And the rest of Israel keeps feeding it. Billions in funding. Deferments. Deference. All to maintain a fantasy of unity that no longer exists. Because the Charedim don’t see themselves as part of the Jewish people anymore. Not really. Ask them if the Dati Leumi community’s Torah counts. Ask them if the soldiers who pray before battle are serving God.

There’s no fixing this. Not through understanding. Not through appeasement. You can’t reform people who refuse to participate in the same moral universe.

The only real solution is financial. No more double standards. If you want to live outside the state - fine. But then live outside the state. No funding, no subsidies, no stipends for eternal dependency. You can’t take billions from the public purse while rejecting every public duty. Pick a side.

Because this isn’t going to end well. The child is grown now. It’s time to stop pretending the tantrum is sacred.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is not some unique type of weakness; it’s the human condition. Nobody is sending their 18 year old to be immersed 24/7 in a culture that they do not believe in and runs contrary to many of their values.
Everyone needs to work together to earn trust and find a solution to this.

Geb a keek in shpigel said...

"full-grown adult still screaming on the floor, kicking its legs"

Funny, as that is exactly the reaction of DIN & his blowhard cronies when they merely think of Daas Torah & Chareidishe Yidden!

Galechter said...

So Nochum is bent out of shape that Charedim aren’t machshiv clown rabbis who are the Israeli version of Modern Orthodox. Hardy har har!!!

Dusiznies said...

Kockie Charedie
No one give two craps if Chareidim aren't "Machshiv" Chushiveh MO Rabbanim, Charedien aren't machshiv over 6 1/2 million other Jews, and they aren't machshiv their own rabbanim should they step out of line!

Dusiznies said...

Chareidim have no Daas Torah ....Daas Torah was Moshe Rabbeinu that said:
האחיכם יבוא למלחמה ואתם תשבו פה?
Charedie Daas Torah calls a local election in Beit Shemesh a "Milchemes Mitzvah"
Charedie Daas Torah allowed monsters like Chaim Walder and Eliezer Berland to screw everything that moved!
Charedie Daas Torah is collapsing under its own lies!
Thank G-d for blogs like mine that are exposing them for whom they really are!
Their whole system is unsustainable, that's why they have to shlep their old gedoilim in walkers every two weeks to schnoor for them!

Anonymous said...

what's the whole discussion about enlisting or not?
1. the main argument of all yore shamayim people is, that noone - no parent wants his child to go off derech. and at the moment there is NO solution for it. all the environment in tbe idf is anti religious. and don't tell me about the one department with kosher food. lemayse there is jo solution for this problem.
2. the whole idf elite are crooked lefties with no moral compass (let alone torah moral). and they are willing to send jewish soldiers to death only to save their face (as one example).

so don't quote from tanach. it is a milchemes mitzvah, but this army is not the adequate tool to fight this war.

Lay with Dogs get Fleas said...

So how many cess pools is DIN wallowing in for his farkakta material besides Nochum Shvartz-Veiss over at "from afar" substandard garbage stack?

Dusiznies said...

11:13
The discussion is why these old disconnected rabbanim refuse to have a dialogue to alleviate this problem! That is the crux of the issue, even Moshe Rabbeinu had a discussion with Pharo and Elyahu was in discussion with Ahab, but they are holier than the previous Torah leaders!
The fact that the top brass are "crooked lefties" doesn't stop them from coming up with an alternate solution. Dati Rabbanim came up with a solution that is working great for them! It's not perfect but Ponivitz isn't perfect either!

Dusiznies said...

Woof woof
The biggest "cesspool" is reading your childish absurd comments! Are you even married, who is this woman who listens to your warped, twisted vile logic?
I'll bet she married you because you were the first one to say "yes"

Anonymous said...

you are 100% right. but why do you think it's the rabbonim's job? all (at least most) leaders today are only running after the people's voices. (even by us: a lot of questions are answered differently if it's a "political question" - means if they answer it according to the jewish principles, they'll get some sort of problems - כפני הכלב).
people have to understand thr issue and deal with it and push their rabbonim to speak up.