Thursday, June 20, 2024

Gerer Rebbe Insists on being "Menachem Ovel " Only One Son of the Pnei Menachem

The Pnei Menachem had 4 Sons and one daughter. The Widow and mother of the sons was nifteres last week. 

Problem: One of the Sons is none other than Harav Shaul alter Shlitah, the Rosh Yeshiva of Sfas Emes. The Gerer fired him because he felt threatened by him as Harav Shaul Alter is a huge Tamid Chachim and has a huge following. 

When he fired him, thousands of Gerer Chassidim left Ger to follow their Rosh Yeshiva. The Gerer Rebbe went Ape-Sh_T , and threw out all of Rav Shaul's followers from his moidois.

No Problem. Rav Shaul's followers opened up new Shuls all over the world and new Moisdois! 

But then the Peni Menachim's wife died, he was the previous Gerer Rebbe and the uncle of the present Gerer Rebbe. 

What to do?? 

If he didn't go to be "menachem ovel" that would look very petty and would be the talk of town! 

So some genius came up with a solution, the rebbe would be menacheim avol only one son!

Just that you guys know all Rav Shaul's siblings back Rav Shaul 100% and all the gedoilim came to be menachim ovel Rav Shaul!

This fight that the Gerer Rebbe started when he fired his Rosh Yeshiva was all "le'shem shmayim!"

This is a prime example of Sinas Chinum amongst Chareidim! 


Anonymous said...

Can you explain why none of the sons of the previous Gerer Rebbe were chosen to be Rebbe?

Dusiznies said...

All the children of Eimre Emes (Rev Avraham Mordcha z"l) became Rebbes of Ger.

His eldest son, R' Yisrael Alter, the Bais Yisrael.He had no children so when he was niftar,
his brother R' Simcha Bunim the Lev Simcha became rebbe.
Even though he had children, Ger decided to allow
his brother R' Pinchas Menachem, the Pnei Menachem to Become Rebbe
When he passed on, it went back to the rebbe who had children which was the Lev Simcha, the present rebbe is a son of the Lev Simcha.

But this rebbe is not known as a talmid chachim, so the chassidim, those who appreciate a talmid chachim, natuarly gravitated to the Rosh Yeshiva, R Shaul Alter who was the son of the Pnei Menachim.
hence the friction
hope I answered your question

anonymous said...

But- why pray tell aren't all the sons sitting TOGETHER
In which case it would have been check-mate for the rebbe !!

Circle said...

Why didn't the other sons insist that they all sit together?

Anonymous said...

Today's Rebbe not only is not a Talmid Chochom, but is low functionally autistic.
His mother & sister A"H were struggling with mental health problems as well.
Still, this does not stop his followers to constantly harass the Rosh Yeshiva Rav Shaul.

Litvak said...

תוספתא מסכת מנחות פרק יג הלכה כב
אבל באחרונה מכירין אנו בהן שהן עמלין בתורה וזהירין במעשרות מפני מה גלו מפני שאוהבין את הממון ושונאין איש את רעהו ללמדך שקשה שנאת איש את רעהו לפני המקום ושקלה הכתוב כנגד עבודה זרה וגלוי עריות ושפיכות דמים:

Dusiznies said...

They are sitting together, this son decided to accommodate the rebbe

Anonymous said...

1- he was never fired, he was running his own show within her for years until he finally left in his own.
2- there weren’t thousands of followers that left with him, 95+% stayed with the Rebbe. Merely a few hundred went with him. And yes at that point he needed Moisdos for his followers since they were not welcome anymore in ger.
Please have facts straight.

Anonymous said...

That one son stayed in Ger and didn’t join his brother.

Gerer Tuchis said...

Hey Mr 1 and 2
He was most definitely fired, as he was given an ultimatum either he changes to the new " Ger Derech" to learn bekias only, or take a walk! That is being fired!
"95+% stayed with the rebbe?" Are you nuts? If only a small part went with R' Shaul Alter why is Ger going crazy? Why don't they just let him be? Why are they physically fighting him?
The reason is that R' Shaul Alter poses a huge threat to the Gerer Rebbe!