“I don’t speak because I have the power to speak; I speak because I don’t have the power to remain silent.” Rav Kook z"l
Tuesday, October 5, 2021
Lakewood Poiskim Come out against the Vaccine
7 comments:
Frum but normal
said...
I suspect this is a forgery and fake news, but if it is actually a legitimate PSAK from these RaBBonim, then they are nothing but criminally insane demented savages, who are ROTZCHIM and will have blood of hundreds of Jews on their head. And then we wonder, how come we have so many of our young leaving the fold
To Frum but normal: I consider myself more normal than frum, but I have this to say: There are a number of things that we know to be true. Biden lied when he said if you take the vaccine you will not get Covid19. Period. We know that was a lie. Cuomo said that we need a lockdown for 2 weeks in order "to flatten the curve". That was a lie. Cuomo lied about the amounts of Covid cases in the State of New York. Obama lied when he said if you like your doctor you can keep him. Not true. Hillary lied when she said the U.S. ambassador to Libya was killed because of a stupid video. Biden lied when he said the Covid vaccine is perfectly safe. It's been tested for over 20 years. No kidding, he actually said that.
Faucci of the CDC lied when he said that you don't need a mask. He lied when he said you do need a mask. He lied when he said the Covid vaccine was effective. He lied when he said he thinks that if you take the vaccine plus 2 booster shots, you should be safe, for sure. Well, probably, most likely, maybe. It wouldn't hurt to get a 4th shot. But wear a mask and practice social distancing, just in case. Oh, and don't leave your house except for an emergency.
Pelosi lied when she says she believes in following the science, the science, the science. That's why she supports mandatory weekly testing of schoolteachers and schoolchildren on a weekly basis along with masking. Except of course for those who cross out borders illegally after testing positive for Covid. They must be released immediately into the general population without any restrictions whatsoever.
After all these lies, what is the truth? Who knows? Any doctor who wishes to present findings that contradict whatever politicians propound is banned from social media, and is threatened with the revocation of his license to practice medicine. So how are we to know what the truth is?
I contracted Covid19 in February 2021, and was hospitalized with pneumonia. I received zero medical interventions, and because my family was banned from visiting me and 'the nurses neglected me, I fell and broke my foot in the hospital. I am still suffering from the fracture to this day. So forgive me if I don't have much faith in the now non-existing medical profession.
Is it possible that the current vaccines are basically safe and can be somewhat effective in reducing the spread of the pandemic? Yes, it is possible. I don't know for sure. "Frum but normal", it it also possible that the vaccines are not perfectly safe? I personally know perfectly healthy people who dropped dead within days of taking the shot. Was their death caused by the vaccine? I don't know. Do you?
You declare those Rabbis who express healthy skepticism in light of all the contradictory facts to be "criminally insane demented savages, who are ROTZCHIM and will have blood of hundreds of Jews on their head". Are you acquainted with any of these Rabbis? Why do you put more faith in the statements of some lying, thieving, shikker of a goy than in the cautions of sober honest Talmiday Chachomim?
Finally, should it come to light in years to come that the vaccine actually did cause some deaths, would you accept some responsibility of your own for their demise? Would you realize that you in fact might be the ROZEACH, albeit unintentionally? Would you accept GALUS upon yourself as penance for your part?
I think you may have some soul searching of your own to do.
@cyrano said. Are you serious ?, when practically all the countries in the world with their health institutions and hundreds of thousands of Doctors and tens of thousands of scientists all agree than vaccines saves lives. When in the last 8 months , 98% of Covid deaths were of people who DID NOT vaccinate.how much more proof do you need.
Yes I will say it again ,these anti Vaxers are criminally insane ignorant savages. And those so called Rabbis, will be guilty of murder if someone did not get vaccinated because of their ruling and died
You write, "when practically all the countries in the world with their health institutions and hundreds of thousands of Doctors and tens of thousands of scientists all agree than vaccines saves lives. When in the last 8 months , 98% of Covid deaths were of people who DID NOT vaccinate."
If the above were true you would have a good case. But is this really true? How do you know? Because the media says so, and of course they don't lie, do they? When the unanimity of opinion is touted and repeated so often it makes me highly suspicious. Did you not hear that any lie no matter how outrageous , will be believed if repeated often enough "Hundreds of thousands of scientists all agree that vaccines saves lives." Where did you get that figure? "98% of Covid deaths were of people who DID NOT vaccinate." Who told you that? The pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccine? How can this be verified?
I am a CPA by profession, and in my work I come across various various financial data. Did you know that Medicare reimbursement averages $30 per dose of vaccine? Non-governmental reimbursement rates are much higher. For an country like the United States, with a population of 330 million, if everyone were to be vaccinated, the manufacturers would gross at least $10 BILLION dollars for a first shot, just in the United States, never mind globally. But Faucci recommends at least 2 shots. 3 or 4 shots would be even better. Covid is now not merely a pandemic; it is a full fledged industry. Who wouldn't lie with that much money at stake?
The Covid data is notoriously unreliable. When a claim is made about so much and so much Covid deaths, how do we know that those actually were Covid deaths? By the tests? Surprisingly, the amount of money to be made in Covid testing far, far exceeds that of the vaccines., Did you know that labs in the U.S. are getting reimbursed at rates up to $100 per test? Considering that Covid testing is now mandated for ALL federal employees, and many states are mandating weekly testing for all health care workers, schoolteachers and school children, the revenues from testing now exceed $5 BILLION PER WEEK, in the United States alone. With that much money at stake, do you believe that fraud is not widespread? I personally am aware of an institution that hired someone to do nothing but stick a swab up his nose all day long because the lab is kicking back $18 per test, per week.
You conclude, "these anti Vaxers are criminally insane ignorant savages. And those so called Rabbis, will be guilty of murder if someone did not get vaccinated because of their ruling and died." However, the Rabbis on the proclamation are not anti-Vaxers. If you read their words carefully, as you should if you can read Hebrew, you will note that they are not saying no one should take the vaccine; they are saying that they do not have enough reliable data to support the recommendation of the vaccine. On the contrary, if you do have enough data, by all means, take the vaccine.
These Rabbis stand to gain nothing by expressing skepticism; they are vilified for it. On the other hand many of those who promote the Covid testing and vaccination stand to gain obscene amounts of cash.
I don't know you. Perhaps you are part of the Covid industry, and therefore are vigorously promoting it. Or perhaps you are a part of a group of people that are cynically referred to as "useful idiots". I do not know. In either event, should anyone lose their life because of the vaccine which they took due to your encouragement, you would be the one guilty of murder.
Unfortunately, from what the notice says they appear not to be Poskim. Poskim consult with experts in the field, particularly in the specialist area of the question. If there are any Halachic ramifications, they will work through the Sugyoh and come to a Horo'oh, and publish a Teshuvoh explaining the basis for their PeSak. (Another clue to the validity (or not) of this Pesak, is that Piskim never agree with each other.)
7 comments:
I suspect this is a forgery and fake news, but if it is actually a legitimate PSAK from these RaBBonim, then they are nothing but criminally insane demented savages, who are ROTZCHIM and will have blood of hundreds of Jews on their head.
And then we wonder, how come we have so many of our young leaving the fold
To Frum but normal:
I consider myself more normal than frum, but I have this to say:
There are a number of things that we know to be true. Biden lied when he said if you take the vaccine you will not get Covid19. Period. We know that was a lie. Cuomo said that we need a lockdown for 2 weeks in order "to flatten the curve". That was a lie. Cuomo lied about the amounts of Covid cases in the State of New York. Obama lied when he said if you like your doctor you can keep him. Not true. Hillary lied when she said the U.S. ambassador to Libya was killed because of a stupid video. Biden lied when he said the Covid vaccine is perfectly safe. It's been tested for over 20 years. No kidding, he actually said that.
Faucci of the CDC lied when he said that you don't need a mask. He lied when he said you do need a mask. He lied when he said the Covid vaccine was effective. He lied when he said he thinks that if you take the vaccine plus 2 booster shots, you should be safe, for sure. Well, probably, most likely, maybe. It wouldn't hurt to get a 4th shot. But wear a mask and practice social distancing, just in case. Oh, and don't leave your house except for an emergency.
Pelosi lied when she says she believes in following the science, the science, the science. That's why she supports mandatory weekly testing of schoolteachers and schoolchildren on a weekly basis along with masking. Except of course for those who cross out borders illegally after testing positive for Covid. They must be released immediately into the general population without any restrictions whatsoever.
After all these lies, what is the truth? Who knows? Any doctor who wishes to present findings that contradict whatever politicians propound is banned from social media, and is threatened with the revocation of his license to practice medicine. So how are we to know what the truth is?
I contracted Covid19 in February 2021, and was hospitalized with pneumonia. I received zero medical interventions, and because my family was banned from visiting me and 'the nurses neglected me, I fell and broke my foot in the hospital. I am still suffering from the fracture to this day. So forgive me if I don't have much faith in the now non-existing medical profession.
Is it possible that the current vaccines are basically safe and can be somewhat effective in reducing the spread of the pandemic? Yes, it is possible. I don't know for sure. "Frum but normal", it it also possible that the vaccines are not perfectly safe? I personally know perfectly healthy people who dropped dead within days of taking the shot. Was their death caused by the vaccine? I don't know. Do you?
You declare those Rabbis who express healthy skepticism in light of all the contradictory facts to be "criminally insane demented savages, who are ROTZCHIM and will have blood of hundreds of Jews on their head". Are you acquainted with any of these Rabbis? Why do you put more faith in the statements of some lying, thieving, shikker of a goy than in the cautions of sober honest Talmiday Chachomim?
Finally, should it come to light in years to come that the vaccine actually did cause some deaths, would you accept some responsibility of your own for their demise? Would you realize that you in fact might be the ROZEACH, albeit unintentionally? Would you accept GALUS upon yourself as penance for your part?
I think you may have some soul searching of your own to do.
This is weeks old and , unfortunatelly, not a fake.
1000%!
What's the Shailah ?!?!
For sure people are leaving the fold because they are unvaccinated!!!
Now I know why Rabbi Bender is so enthused with people vaccinating. He wants his Yeshiva to have good boys in white shirts.
@cyrano said.
Are you serious ?, when practically all the countries in the world with their health institutions and hundreds of thousands of Doctors and tens of thousands of scientists all agree than vaccines saves lives.
When in the last 8 months , 98% of Covid deaths were of people who DID NOT vaccinate.how much more proof do you need.
Yes I will say it again ,these anti Vaxers are criminally insane ignorant savages.
And those so called Rabbis, will be guilty of murder if someone did not get vaccinated because of their ruling and died
Again, to Frum but normal:
You write, "when practically all the countries in the world with their health institutions and hundreds of thousands of Doctors and tens of thousands of scientists all agree than vaccines saves lives. When in the last 8 months , 98% of Covid deaths were of people who DID NOT vaccinate."
If the above were true you would have a good case. But is this really true? How do you know? Because the media says so, and of course they don't lie, do they? When the unanimity of opinion is touted and repeated so often it makes me highly suspicious. Did you not hear that any lie no matter how outrageous , will be believed if repeated often enough "Hundreds of thousands of scientists all agree that vaccines saves lives." Where did you get that figure? "98% of Covid deaths were of people who DID NOT vaccinate." Who told you that? The pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccine? How can this be verified?
I am a CPA by profession, and in my work I come across various various financial data. Did you know that Medicare reimbursement averages $30 per dose of vaccine? Non-governmental reimbursement rates are much higher. For an country like the United States, with a population of 330 million, if everyone were to be vaccinated, the manufacturers would gross at least $10 BILLION dollars for a first shot, just in the United States, never mind globally. But Faucci recommends at least 2 shots. 3 or 4 shots would be even better. Covid is now not merely a pandemic; it is a full fledged industry. Who wouldn't lie with that much money at stake?
The Covid data is notoriously unreliable. When a claim is made about so much and so much Covid deaths, how do we know that those actually were Covid deaths? By the tests? Surprisingly, the amount of money to be made in Covid testing far, far exceeds that of the vaccines., Did you know that labs in the U.S. are getting reimbursed at rates up to $100 per test? Considering that Covid testing is now mandated for ALL federal employees, and many states are mandating weekly testing for all health care workers, schoolteachers and school children, the revenues from testing now exceed $5 BILLION PER WEEK, in the United States alone. With that much money at stake, do you believe that fraud is not widespread? I personally am aware of an institution that hired someone to do nothing but stick a swab up his nose all day long because the lab is kicking back $18 per test, per week.
You conclude, "these anti Vaxers are criminally insane ignorant savages. And those so called Rabbis, will be guilty of murder if someone did not get vaccinated because of their ruling and died." However, the Rabbis on the proclamation are not anti-Vaxers. If you read their words carefully, as you should if you can read Hebrew, you will note that they are not saying no one should take the vaccine; they are saying that they do not have enough reliable data to support the recommendation of the vaccine. On the contrary, if you do have enough data, by all means, take the vaccine.
These Rabbis stand to gain nothing by expressing skepticism; they are vilified for it. On the other hand many of those who promote the Covid testing and vaccination stand to gain obscene amounts of cash.
I don't know you. Perhaps you are part of the Covid industry, and therefore are vigorously promoting it. Or perhaps you are a part of a group of people that are cynically referred to as "useful idiots". I do not know. In either event, should anyone lose their life because of the vaccine which they took due to your encouragement, you would be the one guilty of murder.
Unfortunately, from what the notice says they appear not to be Poskim.
Poskim consult with experts in the field, particularly in the specialist area of the question. If there are any Halachic ramifications, they will work through the Sugyoh and come to a Horo'oh, and publish a Teshuvoh explaining the basis for their PeSak.
(Another clue to the validity (or not) of this Pesak, is that Piskim never agree with each other.)
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