Thursday, October 6, 2016

Why I attack Satmar?

People constantly ask me why are you obsessed with Satmar? 
Why do all your posts somehow denigrate the SHIT'ah of Satmar .....??
The answer is that I believe that because Satmar is becoming a very strong majority in the frum world; the average Satmar family is 12 souls, it is imperative for frum Jews,that believe that G-D gave us Eretz Yisroel, to shout from the rooftops that the SHIT'ah is false, and is not part of our holy Torah and is in fact not Judaism!

  Emes Ve-Emunah, Harry Maryles, articulates this idea beautifully ...

There is a story about the Satmar Rebbe, R’ Yoel Teitelbaum that goes something like this:

When in 1968 Vice President Hubert Humphrey came to visit the Satmar Rebbe seeking his support for election to the Presidency, he asked the Rebbe what he could do for him. The Satmar Rebbe is purported to have said "Sell weapons to Israel!". People in attendance later asked the Rebbe, ‘How can you have advised Humphrey that way - when we know you are opposed to the State?’ The Rebbe supposedly answered that we have a disagreement with our family members but we don't want to see them hurt’. Supposedly the Rebbe added that when a Jew criticizes Israel it is anti Zionism. When a non Jew does that, it’s antisemitism.

One might admire the fact that the Rebbe did not let his antipathy to the State of Israel get in the way of protecting the people living there. And that he rightly labeled non Jewish critics of Israel – antisemites. One could admire that  if it were true. But apparently it never happened. The true story went something like this:

Humphrey visited the Rebbe and was treated cordially as he spoke about his support for Israel. The Rebbe listened to him without saying much. After leaving, the Rebbe was asked why he didn’t tell Humphrey that he was opposed to Israel. His answer was rhetorical, “What should I do, tell him about the Shalosh Shevuous (the 3 oaths mentioned in the Gemara which form the theological basis for his opposition to the State)?”

Was Rav Kook an Ish Tzar V'Oyev?
When asked whether a non Jew’s anti Zionism was tantamount to antisemitism he said, ‘No’. The video below explains all this – debunking the urban legend about the difference between the Satmar Rebbe’s public versus private persona vis-à-vis Israel. If the Rebbe was anything, he was consistent in his vitriol for the state.

As I’ve pointed out many times, his published statement that Rav Avraham Yitzchok Kook was an Ish Tzar V’Oyev - which basically compares him to Hitler - underscores that vitriol.

I have always maintained that it is the Satmar Rebbe himself that inspired people from extremists groups like Neturei Karta. Some of whose members have embraced Holocaust denying antisemites like former Iranian President Ahmad Amadinijad who along with Iran’s current supreme leader Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Hosseini Khamenei has called for the annihilation of the Jewish state.

But Neurei Karta is not the alone in harboring this attitude. It is the same as the current Satmar Rebbe of Williamsburg, R’ Zalman Leib Teitelbaum - and virtually all of his tens of thousands (if not more) Chasidim.

When I have made this accusation in the past, I was severely criticized for it. The claim was that even though they did not support the state, they would never make the kind of Chilul HaShem that those ‘Ahmadinijad kissing’ Neturei Kartaniks did! Well, apparently my critics have been proven wrong. Because as reported by Matzav - last Thursday in front of the United Nations at exactly the moment that Israel’s sitting prime minister spoke, the Satmar Rebbe of Williamsburg succeeded in hosting thousands of his Chasidim in public protest against Israel. The supposed purpose was to oppose the new draft laws – which have already been defanged to the point of irrelevance by the very person they protested against.

They are of course entitled to express their views in public no different than any antisemite would. It’s called free speech. But I am also free to condemn it in public as a massive Chilul HaShem with the potential to do great damage to the Jewish people. Not to mention the fact that it could end up endangering the lives of all of Israel’s residents, including the many Satmar Chasidim that live there. 

That the US is now at its peak level of support to the Jewish State is based in large part (albeit not exclusively) on how the current politicians perceive American Jewish support of it. God in His infinite wisdom has given under 2% of the population tremendous influence on how their government treats Israel. 

But that support is not automatic. There are plenty of politicians in office that could easily turn on us. Some because they are closet antisemites, and some because they see the Arab world as a far more important strategic partner because of their oil and their exponentially greater  numbers. When these people see that many Jews – Jews that appear and claim to be the most religious among us protesting the state, that might turn the tide of support. Or at least lessen it to the point of reduced aid or elimination of aid altogether. It might also embolden more of those those politicians to support BDS which is increasingly becoming exposed as a purely anti Israel movement - and not just anti ‘West Bank settlement’ movement. 

I can’t blame the Chasidim themselves. They have been indoctrinated to see Israel only in the way the Satmar Rebbe sees it. In the rare circumstance that any of their Chasidim might see things differently, such dissent is not tolerated. That is the nature of relying on a supreme religious leader – whose views they see as Godly. If the Rebbe says it’s so, it is so. Period! End of discussion! Which is why so many Chasidim showed up for that protest.

What makes this protest so worse than those Neturei Karta protests is that Satmar is one of the fastest growing Jewish demographics in the world. They are multiplying exponentially with each succeeding generation - hating the Jewish state as much as their founder did. And becoming more public about it in greater numbers than ever. True - what Neturei Karta has done by raising he Palestinain flag, or attending pro Palestinians rallies, or by going to Iran to support their anti Israel views - are by themselves much worse acts. But they can be chalked up to a few crazies. When thousands of people show up to protest Israel at the UN during the prime minister’s speech - it is mainstream Chasidim doing it.

I therefore cannot condemn what they have done here enough. Unfortunately I am just a lone voice. And I’m sure there will be those that somehow find ways to defend them – adding to the Chilul HaShem – and the danger it may bring! 

I only wish other more prominent voices in the Jewish world would join me. It is time to once and for all sever any ties to this community and let the world know that Satmar does not speak for the Jewish people. Not even the Orthodox ones. 


Anonymous said...

Why you attack Satmar? Simply because you're from the Eirav Rav, because you're a full fledged apikores and idiotic bum, but honestly no one really gives a hoot about you, you sound more and more like a depressed and mentally sick loser
Satmar is not becoming a very strong majority in the frum world SATMAR IS BH THE MAJORITY AND ACTUALLY THE LEADING FORCE BEHIND AUTHENTIC JUDAISM
"his published statement that Rav Avraham Yitzchok Kook was an Ish Tzar V’Oyev - which basically compares him to Hitler"
Sorry you can try to falsify facts, but that's not only his statement,
The SABA KADISHE said and wrote he's worse than the pope, the MALACH called him THE SICK DOG and gave lechaim when he heard the news for his death, the Minchas Elazar called him THE TAMEH BIRD OF TAMEH, The list is very long
The fact is very clear Zionism is a losing proposition the majority of REAL frum authentic Jews don't recognize the entire concept of Zionism, besides the words of our prophets and as clearly written in the Torah will prevail and Zionism will be wiped off the face of the earth

Anonymous said...

It's the Aseres Yemei Tshuva, so I'm withholding my comment on this subject. Suffice it to say, that when I heard this Humphrey story years ago, I knew it was false, not because I was in the room, but because public events in Willy contradicted it. The revisionism goes on and on....
I'll have something to say in the future, but for now, I commend R' Shapiro for his guts and honesty , and a shout out to R' Maryles.
Gmar Chasima Tova...

the Derby

Anonymous said...

But to 1:29, I must say this:
I already warned you before about the danger you're in because of your curses against this great tzaddik & other tzaddikim.
You're playing a dangerous game of Russian Roulette, and every time you squeeze the trigger and an empty chamber clicks, you're one click away from a devastating bullet.....
Repent now.... You can believe in whatever SHYT'te you want....
But when you barf your filth the way you do about these great people, you're taking awesome risks for yourself and your family...

Derby joined by Cha Cha de Chazente...
Do Tsuhuva NOW....!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Satmar = Authentic Judaism?
Since when? Your cult has perverted authentic Judaism. Your filthy Rebbes are a disgrace to Humanity let alone Judaism.
Satmar is a bastard offspring of Judaism, and they breed like the rats they are

Klaghorn Leghorn said...

Once you begin debasing the Torah by transgressing the Halacha of Bal Tosif, anything is possible --- from Chalav Yisroel hooey to the whacko Lubavitcher mishichistim to the Skver prohibition preventing women to drive , to the crazed Teitelbaum SHITah shtoos .
What's next for the Satmar stinkos -- complete electrolysis for the kalah at her wedding?

Facts said...

"Satmar is becoming a very strong majority in the frum world"

Incorrect. Other Hasidic sects (and some non-Hasidim too) have similar birthrates. Some of them are quite opposed to Satmar.

Anonymous said...

Satmerers are insane people who think they are sane.

Refoel said...

I kind of recommend that none of us really talk this way (at any time, really!!), as right now we are beseeching HaKadosh Baruch Hu to inscribe and seal us in the Sefer Hachaim.

Not to get into a whole discussion, but saying bad things about Satmar's is worse than anything you accuse them of doing. It is pure Lashon Hara!

When it comes down to it, we are all Jews, and the Torah commands us to not hate a Jew in our heart. Just because we disagree with somebody, doesn't mean we have to attack them, so to speak. It is sort of going against the commandment of 'Vi'ahavta li'reiacha kamocha'.

Satmar's are just as important as the other Jews, and it is not up to you to say what Hashem thinks. I am not at all trying to be mean. I just disagree. And nobody has the right to say bad things about people as holy as those Rebbes. They are much holier and greater than we are, to say the least.... But on the other hand, nobody ahs the right to say bad thing about any of you, either. We are all Jews: Can't we get along?

A G'mar Chasima Tovah everyone!

Dusiznies said...

When was the last time you picked up a Satmar Newspaper?
Take any given week and read any of the three main Satmar Newspapers, and you will see pages and pages full of hate against other Jews ....
I would like to remind you that combined, they have a much larger circulation then The New York Times, New York Post, and Daily News ...
that mean that hundreds of thousands of Jews are reading this unadulterated hatred against their brothers and sister,it is very important to let people know that there is another point of view that is backed by Gedoiloei Yisroel ...
and I am happy to tell you that alot of people in Williamsburg and Monroe read this blog ... I know because google gives me the statistics daily ,,,, and I feel it is a mitzvah for them to read that they are being fed lies and distortions... I feel it a Chiyuv to inform them that they are being led by fakes frauds and phonies ...
A G'mar Chasima Tovah everyone!

Anonymous said...

The satmerers hate themselfs so much that the only way they can feel good about themselfs is when they spew hate on other jews who are not satmerers,just look at their long payes the payes is a phallic symbol they are in reality making a mockery of themself with their dressing and long unkept beard , many of them look like wild man.

Anonymous said...

DIN,Satmar gangsterism needs to be attacked for the exact same reason the Jewish murderous KAPO'S were attacked after world war two. These vicious Israel and Jew hating rabies infected mad dogs need to be exposed for what they are.
Hopefully and with God's help these Romanian Gipsy barbarians will devour each other and disappear,as they have already split into three factions and are busy fighting each other day and night.

Refoel said...

Dusiznies, they don't hate us. It is foolish to think so. #1, you are exaggerating about what they say. And, #2, you feel it a Chiyuv to spread Lashon Hara and Motzi Shem Raa?

I am not a Satmar Chassid, but to tell you the truth, don't you think that they hate it just as much as everyone else that they are being attacked? How would you feel if these kind of things were being said about you? Don't just tell me that they are doing the same thing, because, for all we know, we started the whole thing! So, even if they say some lies, I suggest you also stop with that.

I don't want you to, Chas V'Chalillah turn somebody away who might have wanted to become a Satmar. They have the right to make the choice based on what they see in Satmar, not what you see.

And Anonymous, what you just said there was merely garbage. Please don't talk like that again.

Again, G'mar Chasima Tovah and have a great day!

Anonymous said...

to Anonymous at 10.00 PM.
Hey Jancsibacsi,we know it's you,keep your antisemitic comments to yourself this is not the Failled Messiah blog

Dusiznies said...

In your nice "G'mar Chasima Tovah all!" way, you are misleading my readers, into thinking that Satmar is one peaceful group and we attacking them ....
I challenge you to pick up this week's Der Blatt or for that matter Der Yid and read their "editorials" this week during the Eseres Yemei Teshuvah ...and you will see hate that it is comparable to Der Sturmer!

The Rebbe instilled such hate in his chassidim that it must be challenged ...every single step of the way!
To say that we started it is a bald faced lie ..... for 2,000 years, Jews throughout the world made it their business to try to make Aliyah ...until the Rebbe came along and dismissed the Ramban that counts "mitzvas Yishuv Eretz Yisroel" and "Kibbush Eretz Yisroel" as a Mitzvas Esseh Bezman Hazeh
He cursed the great Tzaddik Harav Avraham Yitzchok Kook z"l, and writes in Vayoel Moshe that Gedoilei Hador that don't agree with his bizzarre and false Shit'ah, are "meenim and apikorsim" ....that my friend has never happened in any dispute ....Why is the Kloizenberger, the Belzer, the Gerrer, the Lubavitcher Rebbes "meenim and apikorsim?" because they don't agree with him ...?
Please don't lecture us about Lashon Harah until I see your letter to Der Yid and Der Blatt and to the Satmar Rebbes, giving them musser about Loshon Harah ...
Speaking about the Satmar SHIT'ah is a Mitzvvah Le'Farseim!
G'mar Chasima Tovah all!

Refoel said...

Look, I don't have anything against you. Just I think you are being a bit harsh on the Satmars. Also, I never said any other Rebbe or Rav was wrong to oppose him - 'Eilu vi'eilu, divrei Elokim Chaim'.

I just think it would be better to leave them alone - no matter if they leave us alone or not. You have better things to do with your time!

G'mar Chasima Tovah everybody!

jancsibacsi said...

I cant hate the satmerers my grandfather was one olof hashulem he was murdered in ww2,i just think their ways lifestyle is out of date and out of time.

Anonymous said...

How can we get along if satmar calls anyone who they disagree with a Hitler. The Israeli government and off they call Hitler. The Israeli police is called Hitler by them. Rav cook is called a Hitler. We can't dit by idley and ignore this. One has a mitzvah min haftorah to put a stop the satmar shots of spewing falsehoods. Lmann yishmaoo vyeersu is a mitzvah in the tora just like Loshon hora is a mitzvah. U decide for yourself which mitzvah overrides which mitzvah and I will decide which mitzvah overrides.

Klaghorn Leghorn said...

It's not 'Eilu vi'eilu, divrei Elokim Chaim".

The Satmar rabbeim are chotim u'machtim et harabim. They should be condemned as vociferously as possible. May they bring on themselves what what they wish for Eretz Yisroel.

Anonymous said...

Refoel said...

Abe, don't talk like that! That's rishus. Satmarers are OK. And it is an aveirah to keep speaking about them like that.

G'mar Chasima Tovah!