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| Max Naumann |
Let me introduce you to a fellow named Max Naumann.
In 1934, Naumann, a German Jew, urged fellow Jews to support Adolf Hitler. He defended the Nazi regime even as it persecuted Jews, and actually petitioned Hitler for the right of Jews to fly the German flag.
In 1935, the Gestapo dissolved his organization and threw him in prison, where he attempted suicide. He died of cancer in 1939, before the Holocaust, but not before discovering how little his loyalty to the Nazis was worth.
I'm not comparing Mayor Mamzarani to Hitler. I'm questioning the idea that a Jewish endorsement is, by itself, evidence of what's best for Jewish safety.
From the Hellenizing Jewish elites of ancient Jerusalem to Jewish supporters of Iran's Islamic Revolution, we have examples throughout our history of Jews aligning themselves with political movements that ultimately turned against them.
Their motivations differed, as did the consequences. But there's a lesson in Max Naumann's story that's worth remembering.
Being Jewish has never made anyone immune to being catastrophically wrong about what's good for Jews.
24 comments:
We remain without Moshiach because of not learning from our mistakes.
Naumann is a mostly forgotten man. How many Communist Jews are also forgotten even though they were the most enthusiastic followers of that evil movement?
Time and time again jews think that if they support their enemies, their enemies will appreciate them and differentiate them from the "bad Jews". Time and time again they are used as "useful idiots" and disposed of in the end.
But like socialist, it's "No, this time it'll work"
And I’m not saying Tzionim are Nazis but what does DIN think he’s accomplishing by kissing up to them? If anyone like Yair Golan gets elected the Dati Leumi suckers lose their freedom of religion
5:34
Yair Golan is still a lot better than a Goldcrap !
BTW The Dati Leumi Camp is growing stronger and stronger and now has over 15 seats!
Naumann was a Meshumod to Protestantism who was buried in a Protestant feld in 1939. During his miserable time alive he advocated for total assimilation. He was the ultimate Kapo who not realizing Hitler was out for extermination was encouraging him to take all possessions away from Jews in conquered countries & even from most of the Jews in Germany. The extremes you will go to in demonizing Satmar know no bounds! And no, I do not support Satmar pandering to Mamdani but you are too much
7:14
I know all about Naumann; Satmar has the same attitude now, and Satmar had this attitude as well pre-WW2, they were against boycotting Germany and also against making any public statements against Hitler, believing that this would trigger Hitler to murder Jews. Such childishness was dangerous and didn't stop Hitler from carrying out his murderous plan, which he started way back when he wrote his book, Mein Kampf!
I would to remind the oilom that Satmar was also against any boycott against the then Soviet Union and was against ALL rallies against the Soviet Union; it was the rallies that actually brought the plight of the Soviet Jews to light!
Satmar are a bunch of ignorant, smug "I know it all" Romanian gypsies whose way of thinking is so backward that it begs the question how they get so many followers, but then again, that means nothing as Muslims also have a tremendous following!
Satmar thugs are currently terrorizing Monsey askonim who aren’t supporting radical Democrat Joe Rand, a Kapo running for NY State Senate. Satmar only cares that Rand can be a welfare queen to their $$ benefit
https://cbnunfiltered.com/kiddush-club-podcast-discusses-meat-consumption-in-jewish-community/
Part 2
Satmar were, and are craven cowards who throw other jews under a bus because they will be rewarded by grateful goyim. The stupidity and naivete that runs through them would we childlike if it wasn't so dangerous to us all.
The sooner this cult of evil anti-|Judaism removed from klal-yisroal the better. Imagine following this cult of jew-haters
Golan is definitely a threat. He is what I call an October 6 Jew. He still thinks Oslo is a great idea and that Israel is at fault if it's failing. He still thinks that settlers are evil and a great harm to the state. And he still wants Israel to be a "state of all its citizens".
It's a good argument who's worse - Goldknofp or Golan. I could argue that Goldknopf is just a parasite who has no direct intention to harm Israel while Golan is an idealogue who does have such an intention.
DIN, let him have it!
Agudah CEO Mr. Sol Werdiger, has endorsed NY Governor Kathy Hochul for reelection, citing her decision to bring New York into the new federal scholarship tax credit program that president Trump signed into law.
R’ Moshe Feinstein & R’ Yaakov Kamenetsky were against anti-Soviet protests because back channel deals are more effective. And before that the frierdik gedolim were against Reform “rabbi” (Un)Wise leading a protest against Hitler at Madison Square Gardens. When they told Hitler the NY Jews protested him he went beserk as reported by Time Magazine & he upped the ante to the Final Solution. Your macho Kahanist big talk is krum & dangerous
How is Golan better for observant Jews than Goldknopf when Golan threatens actions that are persecution of observant Jews? Get over your Charedi hatred already & talk rationally
8:02
Both Rav Moshe and Rav Yaakov subsequently publicly retracted their initial opposition, but that you didn't write, you little sneak!
You scribble:
"When they told Hitler the NY Jews protested him he went berserk, as reported by Time Magazine & he upped the ante to the Final Solution."
That false statement is straight out of the Vayoel Moshe, and is reposted in Der Yid every year, and Shapiro ym"s the spokesperson for Satmar keeps bringing that up!
They take a Time Magazine article that is known to hate Jews and spun a bizarre and crazed theory that Hitler murdered 6 million Jews because Wise had an anti-German protest at Madison Square Garden!
Only someone so stupid and naive would repeat this lie every year!
Wise was no tzaddik but he tried his best to bring the danger of Hitler ym"s to the American public in 1933 so that they would back America should a war break out. Which it did in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland.
At that time, the USA were run by isolationists who were adamant that the USA should not enter a war.
Time Magazine was in the forefront of that isolationist movement and wrote on a weekly basis against entering the war, and was therefore against any protest against Germany.
So Satmar to mislead us quotes from these articles written by a bunch of Jew haters to make a false assertion that any historian would dismiss as pure, unadulterated garbage.
Hitler ym:s wrote his antisemitic book Mein Kampf back in 1923 where he explicitly wrote that his goal was to get rid of the Jews. He didn't need a Jewish protest in MSQ to incite him, he looked for anything to carry out his evil plan!
it is interesting to note that Satmar and their sick, perverted followers see nothing wrong with protests as long as it's against the only Jewish state that houses the majority of the Jewish people, but should there be protests on behalf of Jews anywhere in the world, like when Jews were persecuted in the Soviet Union, they opposed it, and the sickest and most vile thing they did was to oppose protests against Germany!
It was only when Jews were already being gassed to death that the Rabbis in 1943 decided to march to Washington, known as the "Rabbis' March on Washington"
Satmar was officially against that march as well.
Because though Hitler was already gassing Jews he hadn't occupied Hungary till March 19, 1944 so as Hungarian Jews weren't touched, he didn't want to "antagonize Hitler," as crazy as that sounds!
Hey sicko!
You at 5:34 brought up Golan! I never mentioned him, you have a sick hatred of Dati-Leumi Jews and I said perhaps compared to Goldcrap he wouldnt be so bad! I hold by that position, its called "Know your enemies"
Goldcrap acts like a friend but is a sneaky mouse, whereas Golan we all know where he stands!
R’ Yaakov never allowed anti-Soviet. He only allowed when framed as a cry for help to the United States & free world
You guys criticised American and Hungarian Jews for not protesting to Roosevelt during WWII. So When they protested for Soviet Jewry you were against that too. But you protest against other Jews and rabbis day and night.
9:56
What a convoluted, confusing comment, all in one single statement! How did you manage that?
First you scribble:
"R’ Yaakov never allowed anti-Soviet"
Then in the very same sentence, you scribble:
"He only allowed when framed as a cry for help to the United States & free world"
So which is it? Did he allow it? Or did he NOT allow it?
Let me let you into a secret, shhhhhhhh!
The question about those anti-Soviet protests was ONLY presented to Reb Moshe by Rav Meir Kahana hy"d
Rav Kahana organized that protest anyway, and later Rav Moshe publicly retracted on Shabbos, in the Community Shul in Monsey, and in fact encouraged people to go!
There is no documentation at all,anywhere, if Rav Yaakov was even asked this question, but you made up a convoluted, contradictory answer!
Very innovative; you should write fairy tales you are good at it!
I know what I’m talking about. You the one confused.
https://torah.org/torah-portion/drasha-5760-vayigash/
R’ Yaakov’s grandson is very vague but he speaks about it here
This is what AI is pulling from internet:
Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky (1891–1986), a premier Torah sage and senior member of Agudath Israel’s Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah shaped the Orthodox approach to the Soviet Jewry protest movement through a widely cited ruling on political activism.
🏛️ The Policy Conflict
Historically, Agudath Israel maintained a strict policy of avoiding unrestricted public demonstrations, preferring quiet diplomacy (shtadlanut). They feared that aggressive, untargeted protests against the USSR might provoke harsh retaliation against the millions of Jews trapped behind the Iron Curtain.
⚖️ Rav Yaakov’s Decision
When activist organizations planned a massive, unrestricted rally in Washington, D.C., the President of Agudath Israel, Rabbi Moshe Sherer, brought the question of if to participate to Rav Yaakov who approved participation in the rally but explicitly shifted the focus & theological justification of the protest:
• Shifting the Target: He instructed the protest must not be framed as an ugly, provocative demonstration aimed against the Soviet government.
• A Cry to the Free World: Instead, he stated that because the protest was held in the heart of Washington, D.C., it should be addressed to the American government.
• The Core Message: He argued that the purpose of the gathering was to plead with the President of the US & American leaders to use their global influence & diplomatic leverage to intervene on behalf of Soviet Jews.
🌍 Impact on Orthodox Participation
By reframing the demonstration from an act of aggression against a hostile superpower to an act of lobbying & petitioning a benevolent home government, Rav Yaakov provided a halachic & strategic framework. This allowed mainstream Orthodox yeshivas and communities to comfortably join the broader Soviet Jewry Movement without compromising their traditional political philosophy.
Additionally, Rav Yaakov deeply cared about the spiritual survival of Russian Jews. He famously noted that if not for the inspiration sparked by the 1967 Six-Day War, millions of Soviet Jews might have otherwise completely assimilated due to decades of forced Communist secularization
3:30
You are not kidding, I learned nothing from that article!
3:41
AI got the info from R Mordecha Kaminetzky's article on Parshas Vayigash which you yourself said "was very vague"
"in the Community Shul in Monsey, and in fact encouraged people to go"
Oh, you meant Rav Moshe TENDLER!! Please be specific in the future...
7:46
Hey, know-it-all, Rav Moshe was in Monsey for entire summers by his son-in-law Rav Moshe Tendler and spoke at the Community Synagogue many times
Your old buddy Mordy Tendler is giving shiurim in Moses Tendler’s shul even today I think, unless the most recent incarnation of the Board finally threw that predator out
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