| The Satmar Rebbe, Yoel Teitelbaum, far right, when he arrives in Switzerland on the Kasztner transport from Bergen-Belsen. |
This is the second of a two-part investigation into the life of the Satmar Rebbe. Read part one here.
During his stay in the Cluj ghetto, Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum hid rather than position himself as a leader. On the rescue train, he avoided the other passengers, failed to encourage or to comfort them, and did not share the precious commodities provided by his followers with them.
In Bergen-Belsen, too, despite the preferential treatment accorded him in the camp, he refrained from assuming a leadership role, even among the observant inmates.
After his release, Rabbi Yoel elected to run a rescue campaign from the safety of Switzerland. His efforts to rescue Jewish children raised by gentiles were restricted to fundraising, and even in that task he failed abysmally.
Once again, his conduct stands in stark contrast to that of other rabbis, who returned to their hometowns to lead their surviving flocks or worked relentlessly in the DP camps. All the sources describing the rescue activities of the Haredi community during the Holocaust, including archival sources, indicate that compared to other rabbis who survived the Holocaust, Rabbi Yoel’s contribution was negligible in both scope and significance.
After the Holocaust, Rabbi Yoel also turned his back on all those who had helped to rescue him. After settling in Palestine in 1946, he refrained from expressing any gratitude to the people and institutions that had been instrumental in his rescue and had endeavored to obtain certificates for him, among them Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Herzog, Agudath Israel leaders Rabbi Yitzhak Meir Levin and Rabbi Moshe Porush, and Ha-Mizrahi’s Rabbi Joseph Yitzhak Rotenberg. He scathingly attacked the institutions they headed and, unlike other Hasidic rebbes they helped rescue, refused to make even the slightest symbolic gesture of gratitude. Moreover, it seems he repudiated his benefactors on a personal level, too. As far as we know, Rabbi Yoel never sent any letters of gratitude or appreciation to any of the people or institutions involved in his rescue.
Once settled in the United States, he spurned most of those who sought to assist him there, as well.
He criticized Agudath Israel and the Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the United States and Canada, whose leaders had headed the Rescue Committee that endeavored to rescue the Hungarian Jews, including him. He treated Rabbi Elimelekh (Mike) Tress (1909–1967), leader of Tseirei Agudath Israel (the youth division of the Agudath Israel), and Rabbi Abraham Kalmanovich (1891–1964) somewhat more kindly, but then he ignored them when he no longer needed their assistance.
When asked to testify on Kasztner’s behalf during his trial, Rabbi Yoel, whose inclusion on the Kasztner train was raised during the proceedings, refused. Thus, Rabbi Yoel repaid with ingratitude even the man whose name became most closely associated with his rescue from the extermination camps.
Criticism concerning his flawed conduct hounded Rabbi Yoel during the Holocaust and persisted thereafter. Therefore, Rabbi Yoel found himself compelled to explain, to himself possibly as well as to others, his objection to emigration to the United States and Palestine, his flight from the town of Satmar, and his participation in the Zionist Kasztner transport.
His views on the Holocaust were never consolidated into a single contemplative text but rather were recorded in many of his works.
The following are some examples:
‘My Father Was Charged With Warning the Residents of Szatmar’: An affidavit, dated 1994, from Susan Gal, in which she relates that her father was excommunicated by Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum for trying to warn the Satmar Jews in 1943 of the impending threat, and for suggesting they escape into Romania.
‘My Father Was Charged With Warning the Residents of Szatmar’: An affidavit, dated 1994, from Susan Gal, in which she relates that her father was excommunicated by Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum for trying to warn the Satmar Jews in 1943 of the impending threat, and for suggesting they escape into Romania.
• The Holocaust is God’s punishment of the Jewish people for its sins, and primarily for the sin of Zionism. The Zionist concept implied a denial of God’s ability to deliver his people and disrupted the natural place of the people of Israel, destined to remain exiled until the true deliverance.
• Zionism’s ultimate, undeclared goal was the spiritual annihilation of the people of Israel. Therefore, collaboration with those trying to cause the people of Israel to sin, that is, Zionist institutions, is strictly forbidden, even under threat of death.
• Zionists are the descendants of the Erev Rav (mixed multitude) and the Amalekites, so it is no wonder that they have caused the people of Israel such trouble.
• Any collaborators with Zionism, even the religious members of Ha-Mizrahi and Agudath Israel are also guilty of its sins. Therefore, the Zionist and the Haredi rabbis also bear part of the blame for the Holocaust.
• The Zionists bear the blame for the Holocaust not only because of their ideological concept, but also because of their actions, which included:
Provoking Hitler and causing him to take revenge upon the people of Israel, obstructing emigration to other countries so as to force Jews to settle in Palestine, and the closure of their borders to immigrants following the demand to establish a Jewish state. Particular blame falls on the Zionists for deliberately preventing the Haredim from immigrating and thus saving themselves.
• The sin of Zionism was so grave that even its bitter opponents, Rabbi Yoel’s anti-Zionist followers were punished for it.
• The Holocaust was part of the redemption process. The Messiah’s advent, destined to occur during its course, was impeded by the Zionists’ actions and the intervention of Satan.
The author of the single, brief biography of Rabbi Yoel written during his lifetime completely ignored the Holocaust period.
Several posthumous biographies, authored mostly by his Hasidim, were required to explain the rabbi’s conduct during the Holocaust. The subject was not dealt with in a coherent or deliberate way, and the various authors found different solutions to a number of issues.
Over time, the coping modes changed, and in recent years, apologetic attempts to conceal or ignore difficulties have been replaced by a “counter-offensive,” designed to undermine what the authors perceived as “Zionist claims.”
The following are some of the modes and claims used in addressing Rabbi Yoel’s decisions and actions during the Holocaust:
• Rabbi Yoel merely opposed organized immigration to Palestine, not the immigration of individuals wishing to lead a Haredi lifestyle. Jewish settlement in Palestine prior to the Holocaust would not have prevented the danger, as the German army was already on its way and only by a miracle never reached it.
• The Zionists took advantage of the dire straits in which the Haredi Jews found themselves, forcing them to join their ranks and thus to corrupt their souls.
• Rabbi Yoel had never sought to flee and abandon his congregation, yet his capture by the Germans would have been disastrous for his followers. He encouraged many to flee the ghettos, and the purpose of his escape was to continue his rescue efforts outside of Hungary.
• Rabbi Yoel was among the initiators of the negotiations with the Germans, and his inclusion on the Kasztner train was the result of a demand made by Haredi leaders, rather than a generous offer by the Zionists.
• The Zionists collaborated with the Germans by failing to publicize the danger threatening the Jews in Hungary. Moreover, they impeded the implementation of rescue plans and discriminated against the Haredi population in the allocation of certificates by making the signed acceptance of Zionism a prerequisite for the granting of certificates.
• The Zionists covered up Haredi rescue initiatives and in particular their role in the rescue of Rabbi Yoel. They accused Rabbi Yoel of opposing settlement in Palestine, although they themselves permitted only selective immigration and blamed the Haredi leadership of endeavoring to save the rabbis alone.
Rabbi Yoel founded his congregation in Williamsburg, New York, shortly before the establishment of the State of Israel. His anti-Zionist attacks and delegitimization of Israel by blaming Zionism for the Holocaust served to consolidate the congregation’s unique identity.
Within a few years, it attracted hundreds of Hasidim and became known for its reclusive lifestyle and radical religious views.
Unlike other Haredi communities in the United States, Rabbi Yoel supported the Edah Ha-Haredit of Jerusalem, whose institutions were on the verge of bankruptcy after donations from Eastern Europe dried up during the Holocaust. In gratitude, it appointed him its first president and subsequently ga’avad (chief rabbi of its Rabbinical Court). In 1954 he founded the Central Rabbinical Congress of the United States and Canada (Hit’ahdut Ha-Rabanim), uniting rabbis whose religious views were anti-Zionist.
In the provocative demonstrations it held in New York and Washington, the organization vilified the State of Israel for “trampling religion” and accused its government of “Nazi” treatment of the Haredi community.
Following the publication of Rabbi Yoel’s anti-Zionist polemic books, he emerged as Zionism’s bitterest ideological opponent.
The demonstrations triggered a public discussion of Rabbi Yoel’s conduct during the Holocaust.
One of the criticisms leveled against him, both within the Haredi community and in the Israeli press and academic literature, focused on his rescue aboard the “Zionist” Kasztner train.
This main argument was that at a time of crisis, with his own life at stake, Rabbi Yoel availed himself of the Zionists’ help to save himself.
Historical perspective suggests that Rabbi Yoel warrants even harsher criticism, beyond the issue of his escape on the Kasztner train. Toward the end of his stay in the Cluj ghetto, he probably assumed that he had already lost the majority of his Hasidim. He was not familiar to most of the ghetto’s inmates and had no moral obligation to them. Thus, the issue of his obligation to his congregation was no longer relevant, and the question of whether to save himself by any means possible was irrelevant, both morally and by halakhic ruling. In such circumstances, the halakhic principle of piku‘ah nefesh, the obligation to save a life in jeopardy, as well as his human instinct, left him with no other choice.
Yet the true moral issue regarding Rabbi Yoel’s conduct during the Holocaust pertained to his earlier escape attempts. When he first tried to obtain certificates, he was already aware that the lives of Hungarian Jews were in danger. At that point in time, the question of whether it was permissible, both from a halakhic and an ethical perspective, for a spiritual leader of a large congregation to abandon his flock in its hour of need to save his own life could have been considered sensibly and in a level-headed manner. With the passing of time, and as the danger became ever more palpable, it became easier to make excuses for Rabbi Yoel’s flight.
Another moral issue is presented by the fact that Rabbi Yoel, who forbade emigration to Palestine and all the more so through Zionist organizations, did not apply the same strict prohibition to himself even though his economic and public status enabled him to emigrate to other destinations.
Additionally, one cannot help but wonder why Rabbi Yoel did not alert the public about the dangers to which he became privy during the early 1940s. Moreover, he opposed all initiatives to prepare for the imminent danger and failed to set either a practical or moral example to his numerous followers.
Another moral issue concerns the fact that despite his fierce opposition to Agudath Israel, even during the Holocaust, he availed himself of the help of the Agudah’s members and supporters.
After the Holocaust, ignoring his moral indebtedness, Rabbi Yoel turned his back on his benefactors of all camps.
The answers to these moral issues cannot be found in the explanations and excuses provided by Rabbi Yoel himself and his Hasidic biographers.
Yet during other periods in his life, one can trace clues that may explain his behavior.
On previous occasions, such as World War I and during the Goga regime, Rabbi Yoel had abandoned his congregation and moved to a safer area, where he stayed until the danger passed. This conduct corresponds with other accounts that describe him as a fear-ridden, anxious individual. This fearfulness of his manifested itself during the war years, when he refused to cooperate with other rabbis’ and the Central Bureau’s attempts to set fast or prayer days. He likewise refrained from making any clear pronouncements on halakhic matters when he thought doing so could endanger him. Therefore, it appears that his conduct stems, at least in part, from his fearful nature, rather than from any pertinent or halakhic considerations, introduced post-factum to justify this conduct.
Rabbi Yoel’s personality may also serve to explain his treatment of his congregation, closest associates, and saviors.
From an early age, his relations with his family were strained. He was angry with his brother for not allotting him a share in the inheritance left by their father, which consisted of the town’s rabbinate, management of the yeshiva, and leadership of the Hasidic court. After his brother’s death, he considered his relatives traitors for not appointing him in his place and choosing his 14-year-old nephew instead.
His life circumstances further hardened his character: His parents, brother, first wife, and two of his daughters died before the Holocaust. His wives failed to bear sons and his daughters, grandsons. His rigid, uncompromising character was well reflected in the bitter, relentless campaigns he waged against political opponents, against whom he schemed and whom he slandered both openly and surreptitiously.
Rabbi Yoel’s interpretation of the Holocaust and the accounts of that period of his life in posthumous Hasidic biographies have surrounded his character with numerous excuses and explanations, all of which seek to refute criticisms of him.
Upon examination, these arguments, many of which are based on the demonization of both Zionism and Zionists, show that the principal questions remain unanswered:
Why did Rabbi Yoel fail to warn his followers before the Holocaust?
Why did he try to immigrate to Israel after forbidding his followers to do so?
Why did he thwart attempts at cooperation, which could have saved so many lives?
Why did he not set a personal example for his Hasidim?
Why did he abandon his congregation, incarcerated in ghettos, and flee in the middle of the night?
How did he come to abandon his closest friends in the Cluj ghetto?
Why did he board the Kasztner train, which was organized by the abhorred Zionists?
Having survived, why did he never return to rebuild his congregation in Satmar?
Why did he refrain from assisting in the spiritual and religious rehabilitation of the Holocaust survivors in the DP camps?
Why did he alienate himself from Agudath Israel and the Zionist organizations that had helped to extricate him from the Nazi horrors?
And why did he adopt such radical stances, such as blaming the Holocaust on the Zionists, to justify his actions and decisions during the Holocaust?
Apparently, these questions are fated to remain forever unanswered.
Regardless, no postfactum claims and explanations can cover up Rabbi Yoel’s incompetence in leading his community during the early stages of the war, his escape efforts during the Holocaust, and his subsequent failure to assist those who survived it.
This article, the second of a two-part series, is adapted from an essay that appears in Dapim 28:2 (2014), available here, and in Menachem Keren-Kratz’s forthcoming biography, The Satmar Rebbe, Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum.
Menachem Keren-Kratz, a researcher of Hungarian Orthodoxy and of contemporary Haredi society in the State of Israel, is the author of Maramaros-Sziget: Extreme Orthodoxy and Secular Jewish Culture at the Foothills of the Carpathian Mountains.
48 comments:
Keren-Krass is full of it. In his zeal to demonize the Ruv ztl he conveniently leaves out the fact that the Nazis usually killed the leaders first which is why various Rebbes stayed incognito, sometimes also shaving off their berd
Zionist propaganda the whole train was financed by Satmer Chasidim stop calling it Kastner train it was the Satmer train
5:56
I think that you are being sarcastic, but I'll respond as if you were serious. If the train was financed as you say by "Satmar Chassidim" then why were 90% of all passengers Zionists?
You just like to throw crap at the wall, hoping that some of it will stick.
And this investigation is very little about how he was saved but how he didn't do anything to his fellow Jew!
I believe it was because of that tremendous guilt that his Rebbetzin Faige set up all those "chesed programs"
controlled by Zionists financed by satmers
There doesn't seem to be any historical record or authoritative claim indicating Satmar financing of Kasztner's successful rescue efforts
The satmar rebbe ztzk"l appears as little more than a footnote in Anna Porter's scholarly and well regarded and standard setting book in the subject.
And I strongly advise against dragging rebtzn Alte Faige into this controversy. No reason to soil yourself by trying to drag her name into the mud.
The Satmars had to revise the history and make it about him because they still can't handle that their great leader was rescued by the Zionists and that the land of Israel itself spit him out after he arrived there.
wow this article sounds so informative, really great journalism, or is it hate? i feel
Damn straight
You are מוציא שם רע on this Gadol that saved Torah Judaism for ALL Haredim
9:03
Your comment is exactly the kind of response we’ve come to expect whenever someone brings up uncomfortable truths about Satmar history. But let’s be honest: the outrage is always one‑way.
Where was this righteous indignation when the Satmar Rebbe attacked some of the greatest gedolim of the last century — the Beis Yisroel of Gur, the Belzer Rebbe, Rav Ovadia Yosef, and others — branding them with labels that no Torah‑true Jew should ever use against another?
"Meenim & Apikorsim"
All because they believed in participating in the political life of the State of Israel.
And where was the outcry when the Satmar Rebbe spoke with shocking disrespect about Rav Avraham Yitzchak HaKohen Kook — one of the most profound Torah thinkers of the modern era? I didn’t hear a word from the people who now claim to be guardians of kavod haTorah.
It’s always the same pattern:
They play the victim and then say anything they want about other gedolim, but the moment someone examines their own record, suddenly it’s “lashon hara,” “bizayon,” or “how dare you.”
You can’t have it both ways.
If the community wants the world to respect its leaders, then it must also be willing to confront its own history honestly. The world deserves to know what actually happened, what was said, and how these positions shaped the lives — and sometimes the suffering — of countless Jews.
Only then can we move forward with clarity.
9:03
Satmar shuts down any historical facts with "you cannot talk badly about the "Tzaddik Hador"
They elevated him into the Tzaddik Hador" making him immune to any criticism! But now historic factual reports are coming out on a weekly basis, finally allowing everyone to judge for themselves.
It is important for this information to come out, because we can now understand why Satmar backs antisemites and Mamdani!
Bravo!
7:52
I will drag " rebtzn Alte Faige into this. She is the cause of tremendous machlokas in the Satmar Community, she headed the "Bnei-Yoel" והמבין יבון
Yoel was a pathetic coward and the apple didn't fall far from the tree with the skunk bros. The fact that you have to lie through gritted teeth to cover up his enormous failings and yellow-belly and call him the guy that saved Torah Judaism is just hilarious in its deceit and outright lies. We call out the so called historical-revisionists who deny the Shoah, but you are no better. A lie is a lie. He was rescued by Zionists and the rats that you are haven't even got the decency to thank them or apologize for the revisionism or the half-truths you peddle as fact. And you think that this is paving the way for Moshiach?
Sickening.
Like Israel shuts down the truth with murder that’s right what ever happened to the author of perfidy
Oh wow, so you are now comparing Israel's shutting down the truth with Satmar's shutting down the truth?
I thought that the Satmar rebbe was the "tzaddik Ha'dor?'
Some people suddenly invoke Perfidy as if it’s a sacred text — but conveniently forget who wrote it.
Ben Hecht was a proud militant Zionist, a Hollywood screenwriter, a member of the Bergson Group, who despised Ben‑Gurion’s Mapai from the right, not the left.
Ben Hecht was a political activist with a pen, who twice married shiksas!
Yet now, when it’s useful, he becomes a “source.”
And the irony doesn’t end there.
Perfidy itself openly states that the Satmar Rebbe was rescued on the Kastner train — That part somehow gets erased from the conversation. The parts that fit the narrative are quoted endlessly; the parts that don’t are ignored.
When a Zionist writer attacks Mapai, he becomes a hero.
When the same writer mentions that the Satmar Rebbe was saved by Kastner, that page is quietly skipped.
When history is useful, it’s embraced.
When history is inconvenient, it’s buried.
And that’s the point.
When history is useful, it’s embraced.
When history is inconvenient, it’s buried.
And that’s the point
The disgusting mentality that the inbred satmar dogs use to defend the indefensible. The reality is that these 'Bnei Toyrah' are as mentally disabled as a rock and have no arguments less those learnt by rote. Time for them to grow up, get a spine and a grip and face the truth- which their lying 'rabbonim' have taught as fact. Sheep following Rats.
No one Denys he was on the train the question is did they want to save religious Jews or were they murders of their own ppl my grandma remembers the Zionist convincing her family to sit tight and go along with the deportation and they definitely did kill Jews just for a example the killing of irgun fighters (Altalena Affair) and the line רק בדם יהיה לנו בארץ isn’t made up they are not our friends and they never where and they still aren’t
No one denies that the rabbi was on the Kastner transport but to claim that he was saved (and therefore owes gratitude) by the very person/people who at least were complicit in the murder of his community is absurd and my mother remembers being told to comply with the Germans by the Jewish the words רק בדם תהיה לני הארץ aren’t made up shedding blood has never stoped them the Atalena affair is a perfect example they never were our friends/protectors and the sure aren’t now
11:58
Oh wow .. "who at least were complicit in the murder of his community "
Zionists were complicit in the Nazi murders? How crazy!
I actually knew Satmar Kapos who lived in Boro-Park and Williamsburg and were given great "kavod" by the Romanian gypsies, when they should have been tried and hung on Bedford Avenue!
One was even honored once in the Sfardashe Shul on 14th Avenue!
Satmar lies, and propaganda at it's best!
My father came from that community, the one "complicit" in the murder of the Satmar community was none other than R' Yoel Teitelbaum, who told his community that Hitler will never come to Hungary and that no one was to take advantage of Palestinian and American visas!
Thank G-d, we now have the internet and all those documents are now available to everyone to see and examine!
More and more reports are now coming out showing the perfidy of the Satmar rebbe!
Your mother remembers what? I don't believe you or your mother for one second!
This is a Satmar ploy to bring in the Atalena affair into their debate! Which has nothing to do with what we are discussing! Read the investigation of R' Yoel's behavior prior, during and after the war, all supported by affidavits and confirmed documents!
As far as the Atalena affair goes, as I wrote, this has nothing to do with our discussion. Ben Gurion (who I am no fan of) wanted to combine all the fighter groups into one cohesive army, Begin later wrote in his own BIO that in retrospect that was the best thing that happened to the State.
But at the time Begin and his group were smuggling arms into Israel against orders from Ben Gurion. They had the arms on the Atalena on the beach off Tel Aviv and Ben Gurion ordered the general at the scene, Rabin, to fire on that boat, Begin jumped off but over a dozen were murdered!
I am not defending Ben Gurion, but Satmar in every discussion where the naked truth against them surfaces, they throw crap into the discussion, hoping that some of it will stick, but thankfully, today, everyone has the internet and can see through those fabricated lies!
There is more historical facts from those times coming out that put Satmar in a very bad light, and I think as the generation of survivors is unfortunately dying out and the children of those survivors are approaching their 80's, it is important for future generations to learn the perfidy of the Satmar community!
And the רק בדם you conveniently left out lol
5:07
The reason I didn't comment on that is because it wasn't true, Satmar made it up:
You wrote that your mother "remembers being told to comply with the Germans by the Jewish the words רק בדם תהיה לני הארץ "
But those words were attributed to Nathan Schwalb and were only quoted in the VaYoel Moshe, which was published for the very first time in 1959!
So either your mother is a liar or you are one. There is no other outside source that Nathan Schwalb actually said that!
Let's assume that your mother heard that, so what? I see that she didn't take them up on that, because she survived, so I don't understand your whole comment!
makes no sense!
She was told to "comply with the Germans " because "we need more dead bodies to build our country?" but looks as if she didn't comply! this is too funny to be true!
No your twisting what I wrote both are true she was told by the Jewish council to comply and that the ideology existed and the quoted Nathan shwab
6:43
I'm not "twisting" anything, you said that your mother said that the Jewish Council told her that Nathan Shwab said that she should get herself killed for the State!
But that could not have happened, because there is no documents anywhere except in VaYoel Moshe, which was published in 1959 , that Nathan Shwab ever said that!
Your mother made that up! Why can't you just say that your mother in an unmitigated liar!
It doesn't even make any sense! I'm picturing Jews trying to get out of Europe and some Zionist says "stay, we need you dead" !
Grass 3:54
I see you just like to shoot your stupid mouth off without reading the article, and that's ok, but I'm going to call you out on that!
If you had read the article, you would have seen that Keren/Krantz addresses this and states that the Satmar Rebbe did not shave off his beard, putting all those around him in jeopardy! In Hungary the Nazis did NOT look for the leaders first, Eichmannn had designed a plan where that wasn't necessary; he was going to deport and gas all of them within a few weeks, and he almost succeeded!
Oh come on read what I wrote I wrote that the Jewish council told them to comply and then wrote those words weren’t made up they are indicative of a ideology
3:48
Are you telling us that the Jewish Council told Jews to get themselves killed? for the State???
Is that what they told your mother?
When exactly did they tell her that? What year? In which city?
Show a source other than the Vayoel Moshe or someone quoting the Vayoel Moshe ...show me, a document that this was the ideology of the Jewish Council!
Esther Farbstein a Holocaust historian, no fan of Zionism, has never ever written anything about any Zionist that said anything remotely close to that!!
Those words were made up by the Satmarer Rebbe because there is absolutely no other source!
Wow your shear intellect surprises me you still can’t computate something as simple as this it’s two separate points a they clearly told the Hungarian Jews to comply with the Germans as I said my mother remembers second the whole ideology existed in their movement as seen in those words
9:03
All my grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles, and two of my own brothers were murdered in the Holocaust and ALL of them were from Hungary !
I am asking you for one simple thing and until you show that to me I will delete your comments
Show me ONE single document ... again a document, not from the Vayoel Moshe or who quotes the Vayoel Moshe,
that the Jewish Agency told Hungarian Jews to get killed for Israel!
Show me only one!
The Satmar Rebbe made that up!
The least comprehensible and defensible decision of the Council's members was not to pass on much sooner the documents recording the Birkenau mass exterminations (the so-called Auschwitz Protocols) to Hungarians who were at least not antipathetic to them, as well as neutral diplomatic bodies. The Auschwitz Protocols seem very likely to have been in the hands of Budapest Zionist leaders (Rezső Kasztner
Zionist leader Rezső Kasztner
and Ottó Komoly) by late April or early May,[11] and it is inconceivable that they did not share their contents with the Council members with whom they were in contact. But if Kasztner and his associates did keep this information to themselves, the German language document was certainly on the Council's table in early June.[12] However the Jewish Council had still not passed the protocols on to either Horthy's circle or to foreign diplomats until the second half of June. What happened in those three to six weeks? According to the testimony of E. E, one the employees of the Council, the nearly 40-page text was translated into several languages.[13] Rabbi Fábián Herskovits, who spoke Italian well, produced an Italian version from the original German to pass on to the Pope.[14] This step is entirely bewildering since even if they did not know that Pope Pius XII knew German supremely well (Eugenio Pacelli was the Berlin papal legate from 1920 to 1929), they could have presumed that the Vatican had its own German interpreter. The question can be raised: if Horthy, his circle as well as diplomats knew of the essence of the Final Solution in 1944, what would have been the importance of the Jewish Council's attempts to communicate it? In this case, one can justifiably argue: if this was the case, then why did they ultimately distribute the Auschwitz Protocols? It is telling that most members of the Jewish Council were conspicuously quiet about the Protocols. Sándor Török, the Christian member of the Council and later Deputy President of the Christian Council, mentioned the documents: "I visited various leading people with our documentary material, such as the highly important secret reports we had about the Auschwitz camp; most had the opinion that they were not true, merely "Jewish exaggerations'."[15] This does not offer an explanation for the delay. Fülöp Freudiger was silent about the documents[16] as was Samu Stern, who does not mention the Auschwitz Protocols once in his 29 pages of highly detailed testimony.[17] But they made their effects felt: in late June a flood of international protests were sent to Regent Miklós Horthy , which finally called a halt to the deportations in early July 1944.[18] The majority of the Budapest Jewry was thus able to escape, but by then, Auschwitz-Birkenau had already swallowed up all the other Jewish communities in Hungary.
This is from yad veshems website “ Up to this day, one of the greatest debates in the literature on the Holocaust has focused on the foundation of the Jewish councils, their activities, and their cooperation with the German and Hungarian authorities. It is a fact that the Jewish Council was ready to cooperate with the authorities”
And this is too “ In her well-known book, Hannah Arendt accuses the members of the Central Jewish Council of actually enjoying their power.113 These and similar charges are no longer regarded as substantiated by current Hungarian Holocaust historiography. The members of the Jewish Council were criticized after the war; indeed, there were attempts to try them in court. The time has probably come, if not for judgment, then for a more discriminating assessment. This paper is meant as such an attempt."
I have no idea on this one, but din because you lied about the brisker rav children hyd not being murdered by the nazis yms, you lost your nemanus by me.
Before that I would have believed you because I thought we're honest, I now know that by you the agenda is more important than the truth.
I know you won't publish this but hopefully you will accept the tochacha.
4:58
Wow! I feel like I am reading a BIO of the Satmar Rebbe who also refused to pass on that Jews were being exterminated, to his community, in fact he lied when he said that Hitler will never ever come to Hungary, and he refused to declare a fast and put into Cherim his Rosh Hakahol, who wanted to publicize the murders in Auschwich!
Thanks for all this all you have to do is replace the word "Jewish Council" and put in Rav Yoel Teitelbaum! Fascinating!
5:05
Oh " It is a fact that the Jewish Council was ready to cooperate with the authorities”
Wow According to Esther Farbstein in her 2 volume book Hidden in the Heights, she documents Gedoilim like R' Weismandel trying to talk to Eichmannn
So what exactly do you mean by "Cooperate"
I love this piece of work, sits comfortably in Chutz Leaaretz and judging people who were living in a time surrounded by bloody murderers and were trying to surive!
BTW you still didn't show me any proof that the Jewish Council told anyone to comply and get themselves killed!
You or your mother are unmitigated liars!
The fact that the Jewish Agency was talking to Nazis to buy time is a natural way of survival., and doesn't mean that they told Jews to surrender at all!
5:06
Don't get me started :
"Hannah Arendt accuses the members of the Central Jewish Council of actually enjoying their power."
Hanna Arendth was a journalist at the Eichmann Trial and is never getting out of hell, she was an apologist for Adolf Eichmann!!
She dropped dead none too soon, without ever apologizing to the Holocaust victims and survivors !
Anything that Hanna wrote cannot be taking seriously!
Oh wow! she wrote that the Jewish Council enjoyed their power,"
What exactly does that even mean? In what way? and so did the Satmar Rebbe when he prohibited anyone from speaking about what the Nazis were doing in Poland!
So far no proof''' You and your mother are liars!
5:38
Stop lecturing me! You writing about a situation that my own parents and close relatives went through and it's very easy to judge in hindsight,
The Jewish Council wasn't perfect, the Jews in Hungary were doomed, Eichmann had a plan and that plan nearly succeeded. He was going to annihilate the entire Hungarian population within a period of three months, instead of focusing on how bad the Jewish Agency was, focus on your Gedoilim like the Satmar Rebbe who put those close to him in mortal danger and like the Jewish Agency refused to reveal to his community the Nazi Atrocities!
5:38
Tell your mother to watch the video what I just posted
https://draft.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/2633952367455665536/3021233887556940131
These were Zionists, yet they fought the Nazis , how does that reconcile with her statement that they were told to "comply"?
See the contrast between regular Jews who fought for Jews where Rabbanim cowered and wouldn't tell their communities to fight back, it was the Charedie leaders who told them to comply!
I'm 5:38 I have no knowledge whatsoever about the truth of what satmar did or did not do during the war. I know he was against going to ey but dont know one way or the other about anything besides that, and his trip on the kastner train. Im not satmar and trust them not at all everything revolves around proving the rebbe was the greatest and the shita. They are complete liars and there words are worthless. However that doesn't necessarily mean they are lying here. Those who attack satmar also lie. Before the brisker rav incident i would trust you as an honest player, however that incident showed me that you also care more about the agenda than the truth.
Chaim Rumkowski was a zionist, rav menacham Zambia encouraged fighting against the nazis. Don't become a propagandist. Don't turn what the Hungarians into the whole story. Early post state Zionist propaganda also hated betar and rewrote the warsaw ghetto uprising to ignore the facts to glorify their own. Truth doesnt care about party and parties dont care about truth.
BTW in order to understand arendt you have to understand she was truly apologizing for her nazi lover Heidegger (both before after the 3rd reicj) not eichman, eichman was clearly some psychological representative to justify how her lover was not really a nazi.
If you can apologize for exchanging yms surly her lover was just an innocent fool, which means that she is not so bad for loving a nazi.
11:32
R' Menachem Zemba was unusual; the vast majority of Rabbanim were against fighting the Nazis and complying!
The Zionist youth groups were all fighting the Nazis; these youth groups were despised by the European Rabbanim
Its true that " Truth doesnt care about party and parties dont care about truth."
but in this case you are wrong!
Radziner rebbe hyd
Most rabbanim were murdered before anyone dared to resist.
Your problem is your historaphy is completely based on satmar and zionist propaganda.
The jews in warsaw were just as upset as being abandoned by the zionist leadership as those who were upset that ger left.
There were old betar people who never forgave begin for abandoning just like ex gerrers had the same teyna on the gerrer rebbe.
Don't give me proofs from the Hungarian crowd they were different from normal jews before the nazis.
The secular leftist zionists who wrote the official yad vashem history of the war distorted the facts of the war. There is a reason why the ZZW was written out of history for decades.
Which rabbanim (non hungarian and belz was for this purpose hungarian) were in favor of complying?
Do you have any objections to the behavior (not mearly mistaken decisions even if deadly but something worse) to any rabbis north of Hungary besides maybe belz his brother the gerrer rebbe and the lubavitcher?
Look at the most influential orthodox vs the zionists the records of both include some not pretty things and both sides pick out the easy targets of the other. Pick out the most influential zionist in Poland and compare them to orthodox leadership. Compare collaborators.
Is also remember there were over a million jews who were neither orthodox nor zionists
Was there a bigger rabbi than R' Menachem Zemba in all of Poland by 43, by the time of the warsaw ghetto uprising?
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