DIN: #1
Let’s begin by addressing his argument about the ג' שבועות—an argument so weak that even Satmar abandoned it.
No Jew ever witnessed these “ג' שבועות” and no one can identify when or where they supposedly occurred.
This aggadatah appears in Kesubos 110a, yet Rashi and Tosafos offer no commentary on it. None of the major commentaries printed at the back of the tractate—Rosh, Ran, Maharsha, Rif etc., mention it. It is entirely absent from the Rambam’s Mishneh Torah, and it receives no mention whatsoever in the Shulchan Aruch or its nosei keilim.
I have already cited Emailim BaTorah, which notes that
"the Zohar in Parshas Vayechi explains that “Bnos Yerushalayim” refers to the neshamah. The Avnei Nezer therefore concludes that since the oaths were made with the soul and not with the physical human being, they do not apply to us in any halachic sense.
Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Gedolim—Agudas Yisroel, Shas, Degel, and most of the leading Torah authorities—did not consider the ג' שבועות to have halachic force. Even those who opposed the establishment of the State did not base their position on these oaths."
#2
Next, he invokes כיבוש הארץ & התגרות באומות.
This claim keeps resurfacing, regurgitated by commentators living abroad in comfort and safety, while criticizing Israel.
They live far from danger yet speak harshly about the State of Israel—whose soldiers risk their lives daily to protect millions of Jews in the only Jewish country on earth, surrounded by hostile enemies—and then accuse Israel of “provoking the nations.”
Jewish husbands leave their families for months, placing themselves in danger and leaving their wives and children as living widows and living orphans in emotional and financial strain, all to defend Jewish lives. Yet this commentator dismisses and mocks their sacrifice as “התגרות באומות”
The audacity is astonishing. What exactly do they offer as an alternative—disband the army? Avoid defending ourselves so as not to “antagonize” others?
Insanity!
As for כיבוש הארץ: The Ramban explicitly writes that settling the Land of Israel and securing it are mitzvos aseh d’Oraisa בזמן הזה.
Every major war Israel has fought was initiated by surrounding hostile nations that swore to destroy and eliminate her. Suggesting that Israel should have simply stood by passively defies both logic and halachah.
Finally, he quotes a 75-year-old description by Ben-Gurion in reference to the IDF that the IDF is a “secular melting pot.”
And what of it? So?
Since when does a historical comment override Torah obligations such as
?לא תעמוד על דם רעך
or
?ואהבת לרעך כמוך
The army has made significant efforts to accommodate Chareidim, yet he claims that mainstream Chareidim should not enlist.
Why should others bear the burden entirely? Why should Chilonim die for you?
Moshe Rabbeinu has a message to this fool
?האחיכם יבוא למלחמה ואתם תשבו פה
My message to this Lakewood-based WhatsApp administrator is simple: We do not need your commentary, and we do not need your interference. Please stay out of our affairs.
8 comments:
Ben Gurion, a"h, had the right idea. Israel is a small country under constant threat. It cannot afford to have a divided society that clashes with itself.
The best example was when the Russians arrived. Products of the USSR, they were not happy to be in Israel. They didn't want to learn Hebrew. They didn't want to have to prove their credentials or do simple jobs. They didn't care about the army. But they went.
And a generation later they are some of the most patriotic and hardest working members of the society because they were made to integrate.
The Chareidim can keep their way of life but the part where "everyone else is lower scum and only we are the true Jews" has to go. The only way is to have Chareidi soldiers fighting alongside the others and seeing that they are all in this together.
If you cannot stomach disagreement shut down your blog
5:13
Ans allow hypocrisy and unfiltered lies to continue?
And what will you read?
You skipping most his message
The rest of his message is so far removed from reality that I decided not to comment on the post on his "shittism & havalim"
He parrots the disproven lie that "enlisting Chardeiim in the IDF is politics."
The emes is that it has nothing to do with politics, the IDF is short of manpower and that is why reservists have to serve close to 6 months now. Chardeim are in violation of
לא תעמוד על דם רעך
but they don't care about anyone else so to support their selfish position they keep lying that the IDF "doesn't need them"
Stupid and Sick!
DIN I just emailed you a comment from Mr B more outrageous
When did Satmar "abandon" ג' שבועות?? Incredible how DIN keeps peddling all his fantasies as though they were fact. Many Chassidishe & even Litvishe yeshivos teach that ג' שבועות is in full effect lemayseh. Many gedolim held that many divrei Chazal are to be taken literally, most famous among them was R' Areleh ztl, but not limited to him. No one Charedi gives a hoot about your Linker Email guy Aschi DIck who suffers from some of the same delusions as DIN, like when he claims, falsely & ludicrously, that kimat all poskim including Chareidishe are mattir going up on Har Habayis. You Losers singing to the Tzioni choir is really, really off key! You think Dick is hot stuff because of the fetter farkoifing him on DIN (HILARIOUS!!!) & because Linker OU Israel gives him a microphone? "Big kibud" there, the same kibud given to the infamous molesters from YU's high school who moved to Israel
Chalamok
I read DER GOY and DER Bluteh every week, and they did indeed abandon the ג' שבועות! They haven't mentioned it in years!
The fact that
"Chassidishe & even Litvishe yeshivos teach that ג' שבועות is in full effect lemayseh"
means absolutely zero,
Chassidim also teach that the Baal Shem Tov flew,
and the Litvishe teach that Jewish Children in uniform are like "garbage cleaners"
Hey... Question
Ask your "gedoilim" Who witnessed the ג' שבועות ?
When did it take place?
Where did it take place?
Ask them why it isn't mentioned anywhere in the entire Shulchan Aruch?
The "infamous" molesters and those who commit incest come from Chassidishe and Litvishe communities!
Your comment about the OU "molesters" is really funny because you seem to agree with me !
You also believe that Charedim are molesters but you are upset that I call them out on it, because every single time I post about a Charedi Molester you bring an MO molester!
We are both on the same page we both believe that Chardeim are no better than anyone else!
I agree! Thanks for following my blog, you are one of the 14,532 hits on this story!
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