The Roshei Yeshiva of the Ponevezh Yeshiva in Bnei Brak (who are they? no names just "roshei Yeshiva") have established new guidelines regarding meetings between engaged yeshiva students and their fiancées during the period between engagement and marriage.
According to a report on the charedi news site Bechadrei Charedim, the decision comes in response to a growing trend in recent years of prolonged meetings, particularly what has become known as the “final meeting,” which often lasts for many hours.
A gathering was held at the home of one of the yeshiva heads, who emphasized that he views this trend as a serious halachic issue.
“There is no permission to simply look at a woman. There is no allowance for frivolity. What is permitted is only to the extent of necessity. Beyond that, there is no permission at all,” he stated.
One of the rabbis shared: “A year and a half ago, someone told me there was a meeting that lasted more than two hours. Today I’m being told about 12-hour meetings. I said: ‘They’re lying.’ I couldn’t believe it. It never occurred to me that such a thing could exist. It’s insane. What is this?”
The yeshiva head also addressed another phenomenon that has developed in recent years: gifts from the groom to the bride during the engagement period.
“Why cram this short period with nonsense and things? Every time a different gift from (the groom). In our time, such a thing didn’t exist — a gift from the groom to the bride. It was forbidden. It had to go through the parents only.”
7 comments:
> There is no permission to simply look at a woman. There is no allowance for frivolity.
Um, am I wrong or do Chazal learn from a posuk in Iyov that, in fact, a man is allowed to look at an unmarried woman he's interested in to determine if she's attractive and he'll be happy with her. the whole point of the posuk is that Iyov is claiming "Look how strict I am! Even though I was allowed, I never did!"
Now that personal strictness has become the default position?
Seriously, the minute human parthenogenesis is invented, the Chareidim will assur women.
Every day, these rabbonim come out with more and more horse shit. With all due respect, just shut the F up already
*Maj. Gen. (Res.) Yitzhak Brik:*
"We need to draft the secular individuals who evade service—especially those from the highest socioeconomic deciles. Among secular residents of the Tel Aviv area, there *may be more draft dodgers than among all Haredim eligible to serve who choose not to*."
Don't worry, you won't hear about this anywhere in the media cause it doesn't fit the narrative that only charedim are draft dodgers.
You got it.You are wrong.Ignorant too.That simple.
Commentaries interpret it's default to any woman,all more so since they nowadays haven't gone to mikva.
We maneuver around it for shidduchim
I suppose these screwy Ponobitch Rabbeim never considered that יעקב אבינו might have wanted to have thoughtful conversations with his betrothed because she was יפת תואר ויפת מראה. I mean not conversing with your fiancé for seven years seems a bit extreme.
Those Rabbeim, whoever they are, are idiots.
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There is a major difference between individuals, secular or religious, who
evade the draft and an organized entire group that evades the draft as a matter of principle!
You are disingenuous when you say that "you won't hear about this anywhere in the media." in fact, it is reported in the secular media constantly, just last week it was reported that the courts extended prison time to two secular draft evaders! Secular draft evaders cannot leave the country without getting arrested!
An outrageous thing called Jewish Law. Be very wary. Likely to transform your psyche
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