Yoeli Batchi Any Jew who denies the fact that HKB"H orchestrated the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 is מוציא את עצמו מן הכלל and therefore is a כופר בעיקר Even if you consider your religious leader a Gadol and a Tzadik, may I remind you that all the Meraglim were Gedoilie Hador chosen by Moshe Rabbeinu himself! Remember that the Sanhedrin that Moshe Rabbeinu himself chose were the ones that were backing Korach! They caused the biggest Churban to the Jewish people that we are still paying for now! So tell me Yoeli pooo, who is the "weird" one!
What I find fascinating is that when I converse with Leftist Anarchists in Israel, I find that their arguments are exactly like Satmar, if they only knew how much they have in common with them and Reform Judaism!
Sheker vechuzev! Interressant how you getting so tzehitz a couple years ago that how dare Satmar Ruv zecheesoi yugen uleinee calling koifrim to Tzionim now you dare, biggest chitzpeh of dem all, to call koifrim to bnei Toirah??????!!!!!!! Tze macht nisht kein chiluk how many times you hock your lukshin about Meraglim vee meh klappt a toiteh ferd. Chareidishe Yidden never saying shlecht veggen Eretz Hakoidesh alein, nor oif dee avaryonim mit kechol hagoyim & Tzionis hashkufos vus reitzt vatukee huaretz es yoishvehu!
Yom Tov I am not "tzehitz" at all I'm merely telling you the facts!
The Meraglim were in fact "Bnei Torah" and so were the supporters of Korach, they were the Sanhedrin and were hand chosen by Moshe himself, they were all Bnei Torah and were "Koifrim"
You are bringing me "rayis" from the Satmar Rebbe and I'm bringing you "rayis" from the Torah itself!
You say that "Chassidishe Yidden never bad mouth Eretz Yisrael itself" I quoted the Chida and the Shlah Hakodosh many times who said one is not allowed to bad-mouth "anyone" let me repeat "anyone" living in Eretz Yisrael even if they are the biggest oivrei aveirah! Yaakov Aveenu who was a bigger Tzaddik than the Satmar Rabbi was afraid because Eisav lived in Eretz Yisrael!
We know the story of the m’raglim. They weren’t schoolchildren. “They were all men,” the Torah says. Rashi explains that they were important and righteous men....Bnei-Teirah
The Or HaChayim adds that HaKodosh boruch hu, appointed the spy from each tribe and they did not go on their own.
Yet we find a very strange thing—they turned into deniers of HaShem!
This is so shocking that even for Yehoshua Bin Nun, the servant of Moshe—who was the greatest of them all, for he never left the tent of Torah, and HaShem said of him that he would be Moshe’s successor to spread Torah in Israel—even for him Moshe was apprehensive that he might falter!
Moshe had to bless him, “May HaShem save you from the counsel of the spies.” This is extraordinary. Similarly, Kalaiv ran to Chevron to prostrate himself upon the graves of the Avos and pray that HaShem should save him from the spies’ plot.
What was this “counsel of the spies”?
Understanding the Counsel of the Wicked
The pasuk in T’hilim says, “Fortunate is the person who did not walk in the counsel of the wicked.” This means with the counsel of the wicked. It is impossible to turn a righteous person into a wicked person overnight.
It takes many hard years for the yeitzer harah to turn a tzadik into a rasha. That is – unless he comes with “counsel” and methods. Then, even great people and Bnei Torah are entrapped into his net and altered. This is what happened to the spies. The yeitzer HaRah caught them with his counsel for the sake of a mitzva, as we find in Chazal. Your rebbe took council from the wicked!
Hey R' Yom Tov So what exactly does " Chareidishe Yidden never saying shlecht veggen Eretz Hakoidesh alein," actually mean? We have close to 8 million Yidden living here, so to talk Loshon Hara on Yidden is ok? What kind of perverted thinking is this? Why are you different then the Pro-Hamas protestors on the Streets of NY and London? What makes you different? Because you eat Schmaltz Herring and fress Gala??
Of course He orchestrated it.It was to be the final seductive test/gauntlet for our people. To pass through without being snared, to then get to the "sunlit uplands" Unfortunately you're failing
2:41 So we agree 100% that Hashem orchestrated the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 Wow! We are finally getting somewhere because the Vayoel Moshe does not agree with that! And we both agree that it was a test! Yes indeed, it was! It was a test to see if the remnants would finally come to back to Eretz Yisrael!
Unfortunately, they failed, not because of them but because of the hate that previous Gedoilim who were murdered embedded into them pre-WW2 that we have to remain in Galut, Hashem prepared a State for them to come, but they refused! Only a handful of what we now call Chareidim actually came, the rest decided to go to the USA, UK, Canada, Australia etc!
Hashem waited to see if the Chutz Le'aaretz Jews would finally see the light, as HE with the help of mostly Chilonim built a beautiful country with up-to-date infrastructure to accommodate the Heimishe Jews, but they still refused; the modern Jews started coming as they read the signs on the wall! So Hashem sent COVID and the borders of Israel were closed for non-Israeli citizens for the very first time, to show the "Heimishe" that if you don't come I can close the borders in the future! But they still refused, instead building brand new cities and moisdois in Chutz Le'aaretz, so HKB"H decided another method! October 7!!!!! to get all the goyim all riled up, and like roaches all the antisemites from the entire world came out to shout, yell and bark to the Heimishe """""Go back to where you came from" Question: Are they listening to the message now or are they like the 2:41 commentator who has the entire story upside down?
DIN has got it “all figured out” - NOT. Just listen to this rubbish that the only ones doing the retzoin Hashem - abee they are Zionist - are Koifrim b’Ikker, other Chilonim & the Moderner who before they even emerged the case was made about them in Even Shlaimah that their whole philosophy is krum, is unsustainable, therefore their kids will either become like Chareidim or nebich off the Derech in gantzen. This is the Zionist Mockumentary as narrated by DIN. And it sure took him (decades!) long enough to put his money where his Zionist bandwagon mouth is!
Talk about missing the boat! Ironically, the majority of the ones going OTD are from Charedie families! I didn't say that the only ones doing "retzoin Hashem" are the Zionists! What I am saying is that "retzoin Hashem" was for His Land to be rebuilt and Chareidim refused and the Zionists took on the task! The reason it took me decades to make Aliyah because I listened to guys like you all my life until I discovered that you guys are liars at worst and amai-ratzim at best! I discovered that the entire shita written in a mediocre book is based on fraudulent 'farkumpteh" ideas, full of all lies and half-truths. I discovered that the "gedoilim pre-war2 were all wrong and misled their flocks that led them to gas chambers! And a few of those who did survive continue with the fake and phony SHIT'ah!
Talk About: Wow! How low did you and your Chareidim go that now making Aliyah is being Zionist! How sick and perverted is the Chareidie world! Being Chareidie has nothing to do with the Torah Hakdoishe! It's a separate religion and it isn't sustainable, and it is rapidly disappearing despite its apparently growing numbers. It's an allusion. I live very near a chassidic center and I can tell you firsthand that their children either go modern or off the derech.
Modern Ortho “leaders” alein admit that 70% of teens in their circles are not Shomer Shabbos. Someone on the Hanhala of flagship school Ramaz admitted in a newspaper interview that 95% of his students have dayos that are kefirah.
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And DIN making circular definitions of “religious” Zionist is not weird?
Yoeli Batchi
Any Jew who denies the fact that HKB"H orchestrated the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 is
מוציא את עצמו מן הכלל
and therefore is a כופר בעיקר
Even if you consider your religious leader a Gadol and a Tzadik, may I remind you
that all the Meraglim were Gedoilie Hador chosen by Moshe Rabbeinu himself! Remember that the Sanhedrin that Moshe Rabbeinu himself chose were the ones that were backing Korach! They caused the biggest Churban to the Jewish people that we are still paying for now!
So tell me Yoeli pooo, who is the "weird" one!
What about Yehoshua?
What I find fascinating is that when I converse with Leftist Anarchists in Israel, I find that their arguments are exactly like Satmar, if they only knew how much they have in common with them and Reform Judaism!
Sheker vechuzev! Interressant how you getting so tzehitz a couple years ago that how dare Satmar Ruv zecheesoi yugen uleinee calling koifrim to Tzionim now you dare, biggest chitzpeh of dem all, to call koifrim to bnei Toirah??????!!!!!!! Tze macht nisht kein chiluk how many times you hock your lukshin about Meraglim vee meh klappt a toiteh ferd. Chareidishe Yidden never saying shlecht veggen Eretz Hakoidesh alein, nor oif dee avaryonim mit kechol hagoyim & Tzionis hashkufos vus reitzt vatukee huaretz es yoishvehu!
Yom Tov
I am not "tzehitz" at all I'm merely telling you the facts!
The Meraglim were in fact "Bnei Torah" and so were the supporters of Korach, they were the Sanhedrin and were hand chosen by Moshe himself, they were all Bnei Torah and were "Koifrim"
You are bringing me "rayis" from the Satmar Rebbe and I'm bringing you "rayis" from the Torah itself!
You say that "Chassidishe Yidden never bad mouth Eretz Yisrael itself"
I quoted the Chida and the Shlah Hakodosh many times who said one is not allowed to bad-mouth "anyone" let me repeat "anyone" living in Eretz Yisrael even if they are the biggest oivrei aveirah! Yaakov Aveenu who was a bigger Tzaddik than the Satmar Rabbi was afraid because Eisav lived in Eretz Yisrael!
YomTov
Your rebbe could well be from the meraglim
We know the story of the m’raglim. They weren’t schoolchildren. “They were all men,” the Torah says. Rashi explains that they were important and righteous men....Bnei-Teirah
The Or HaChayim adds that HaKodosh boruch hu, appointed the spy from each tribe and they did not go on their own.
Yet we find a very strange thing—they turned into deniers of HaShem!
This is so shocking that even for Yehoshua Bin Nun, the servant of Moshe—who was the greatest of them all, for he never left the tent of Torah, and HaShem said of him that he would be Moshe’s successor to spread Torah in Israel—even for him Moshe was apprehensive that he might falter!
Moshe had to bless him, “May HaShem save you from the counsel of the spies.” This is extraordinary. Similarly, Kalaiv ran to Chevron to prostrate himself upon the graves of the Avos and pray that HaShem should save him from the spies’ plot.
What was this “counsel of the spies”?
Understanding the Counsel of the Wicked
The pasuk in T’hilim says, “Fortunate is the person who did not walk in the counsel of the wicked.” This means with the counsel of the wicked. It is impossible to turn a righteous person into a wicked person overnight.
It takes many hard years for the yeitzer harah to turn a tzadik into a rasha. That is – unless he comes with “counsel” and methods. Then, even great people and Bnei Torah are entrapped into his net and altered. This is what happened to the spies. The yeitzer HaRah caught them with his counsel for the sake of a mitzva, as we find in Chazal.
Your rebbe took council from the wicked!
Hey R' Yom Tov
So what exactly does " Chareidishe Yidden never saying shlecht veggen Eretz Hakoidesh alein," actually mean?
We have close to 8 million Yidden living here, so to talk Loshon Hara on Yidden is ok? What kind of perverted thinking is this?
Why are you different then the Pro-Hamas protestors on the Streets of NY and London? What makes you different? Because you eat Schmaltz Herring and fress Gala??
i WANT TO ADD THAT THE PRO-HAMAS PROTESTORS ALSO DON'T say anything " shlecht veggen Eretz Hakoidesh alein,"
Of course He orchestrated it.It was to be the final seductive test/gauntlet for our people. To pass through without being snared, to then get to the "sunlit uplands"
Unfortunately you're failing
A Mizrachi Rav once made a similar claim.The mainstream response he got was a wry "nebach"
If as it so happens that side is arguably per your(plural) contentions- meraglim,
well,the converse often leans to be- ma'apilim
2:41
So we agree 100% that Hashem orchestrated the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948
Wow!
We are finally getting somewhere because the Vayoel Moshe does not agree with that!
And we both agree that it was a test!
Yes indeed, it was!
It was a test to see if the remnants would finally come to back to Eretz Yisrael!
Unfortunately, they failed, not because of them but because of the hate that previous Gedoilim who were murdered embedded into them pre-WW2 that we have to remain in Galut,
Hashem prepared a State for them to come, but they refused! Only a handful of what we now call Chareidim actually came, the rest decided to go to the USA, UK, Canada, Australia etc!
Hashem waited to see if the Chutz Le'aaretz Jews would finally see the light, as HE with the help of mostly Chilonim built a beautiful country with up-to-date infrastructure to accommodate the Heimishe Jews, but they still refused; the modern Jews started coming as they read the signs on the wall!
So Hashem sent COVID and the borders of Israel were closed for non-Israeli citizens for the very first time, to show the "Heimishe" that if you don't come I can close the borders in the future!
But they still refused, instead building brand new cities and moisdois in Chutz Le'aaretz,
so HKB"H decided another method!
October 7!!!!! to get all the goyim all riled up, and like roaches all the antisemites from the entire world came out to shout, yell and bark to the Heimishe """""Go back to where you came from"
Question:
Are they listening to the message now or are they like the 2:41 commentator who has the entire story upside down?
DIN has got it “all figured out” - NOT. Just listen to this rubbish that the only ones doing the retzoin Hashem - abee they are Zionist - are Koifrim b’Ikker, other Chilonim & the Moderner who before they even emerged the case was made about them in Even Shlaimah that their whole philosophy is krum, is unsustainable, therefore their kids will either become like Chareidim or nebich off the Derech in gantzen. This is the Zionist Mockumentary as narrated by DIN. And it sure took him (decades!) long enough to put his money where his Zionist bandwagon mouth is!
Talk about missing the boat!
Ironically, the majority of the ones going OTD are from Charedie families!
I didn't say that the only ones doing "retzoin Hashem" are the Zionists! What I am saying is that "retzoin Hashem" was for His Land to be rebuilt and Chareidim refused and the Zionists took on the task!
The reason it took me decades to make Aliyah because I listened to guys like you all my life until I discovered that you guys are liars at worst and amai-ratzim at best! I discovered that the entire shita written in a mediocre book is based on fraudulent 'farkumpteh" ideas, full of all lies and half-truths. I discovered that the "gedoilim pre-war2 were all wrong and misled their flocks that led them to gas chambers! And a few of those who did survive continue with the fake and phony SHIT'ah!
Talk About:
Wow! How low did you and your Chareidim go that now making Aliyah is being Zionist! How sick and perverted is the Chareidie world!
Being Chareidie has nothing to do with the Torah Hakdoishe!
It's a separate religion and it isn't sustainable, and it is rapidly disappearing despite its apparently growing numbers. It's an allusion.
I live very near a chassidic center and I can tell you firsthand that their children either go modern or off the derech.
Modern Ortho “leaders” alein admit that 70% of teens in their circles are not Shomer Shabbos. Someone on the Hanhala of flagship school Ramaz admitted in a newspaper interview that 95% of his students have dayos that are kefirah.
Being “duped” by Divrei Yoel is a pretty lame excuse. You were busy with shtussim like “Acapella premium blend” lol
Lots of whataboutism;little that is substantive
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