Tuesday, January 26, 2021

Rav Chaim Kanievsky and Hagaon HaRav Gershon Edelstein Really Denounce Hafganos ? They Blame "Outsiders" Without Evidence!


Notice that they watered it down with writing "no one would ever dream of befriending the provocatuers from outside of our camp who ignite the flames of violence." this give the impression that it was the "outside" people... that is  misleading and absolutely not true .... anyone watching the videos or who walked the streets during these hafganos could clearly see that 99.9999999999999% were residents ... 

This is too little ... too late and a good part is misleading ...

Following the past few days of violent Hafganos around Chareidi neighborhoods in Eretz Yisroel, a statement was released by Hagaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky and Hagaon HaRav Gershon Edelstein, the Rosh Yeshiva of Ponavezh.

The following is a loose translation of the statement which is posted above:

Ruling of our Rabbis, Roshei Kol Bnei HaGolah, Maran the Prince of Torah [Rav Chaim Kanievsky] Shlita and our Master, the Rosh HaYeshiva [Rav Gershon Edelstein] Shlita:

Even though it is understood that no one from the congregation of those who are Charedim Lidvar Hashem would participate in violent Hafganos (protests) where it is well know that this is not the manner of Torah,

And certainly, no one would ever dream of befriending the provocatuers from outside of our camp who ignite the flames of violence.

In addition, it must be pointed out that no one should approach or come close to these places [of violence] because it involves a violation of, “Harchaik min hachi’ur – Distance yourself from ugly matters” [See Meseches Derech Eretz 1:12]

It is also proper to temper our sense of curiosity in this matter, for the very act of seeing such [violent] behavior damages the soul

And there should be mercy from Heaven that those who err gain wisdom and walk in the path of Torah.




cyrano said...

Dear DIN,

I believe you're missing the point that Rav Kanievsky is making. When he write "mechutz Lemachanaynu", he does not mean "outsiders", meaning non-residents. Obviously, as you point out the violence is being committed by denizens of the Chareidi community. Rather, Rav Kanievsky is referring to "outsiders" meaning those whose attitudes are "outside" of the proper Chareidi "hashkofo".

Contrary to the charges made by Democrats, when President Trump spoke about the need to "fight" the fraudulent election of Joe Biden, it is obvious that he did not mean to spur the people to armed rebellion; he meant to arouse the people to raise their voices in protest and to financially support the efforts to challenge the results of the "election" by every legal means available.

So too, when Rav Kanievsky and his colleagues call for a "milchemas mitzvah" against secular authority, it is not "chas vesholom" a literal call to arms, i.e. to engage in violent acts. It is a call for each person to engage in " milchamta shel toirah", to strengthen their own personal commitment to studying Torah, to daven with greater "Kavonoh", and to be more meticulous in the observance of Mitzvah. These are the only legitimate "weapons" in the Chareidi arsenal. Any other world view is alien to and "outside" of the Charedi camp.

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cyrano said...

To Anonymous of 1/26 6:19 PM

You unique style of persuasive articulation is somewhat.....underwhelming?