This whole “we are all Leshem Shamayim” line is pure malarkey. Nobody buys it — not even their own followers.
For months, a quiet war was brewing between the supporters of Rav Landau and those of Rav Hirsch. Now the conflict has burst into the open. What we’re seeing is a full‑blown power struggle among the so‑called “gedoilim,” and at this stage Rav Hirsch appears to be pulling ahead.
Grab the popcorn — the show has just begun.
Associates of Rabbi Dov Lando, one of the leaders of Degel Hatorah, are trying to replace all Degel Hatorah MKs in the next Knesset, with politicians who are obedient to the rabbi - and this, in light of the fact that most of the MKs in the party currently obey Rabbi Hirsch, the de facto leader of the Lithuanian public.
A senior member of the national Degel Hatorah tells City News:
"The attempted putsch in question will not succeed, given the trend of hardening of Rabbi Lando's associates, who see with their eyes wide open how the party is slipping through their fingers in favor of Rav Hirsch
מקורביו של הרב דוב לנדו, ממנהיגי דגל התורה, מנסים לקדם מהלך של החלפת כל ח"כי דגל התורה בכנסת הבאה, עם פוליטיקאים הממושמעים לרב - וזאת, לאור העובדה שרוב הח"כים במפלגה כיום ממושמעים דווקא למרן הרב הירש, המנהיג בפועל של הציבור הליטאי.
בכיר ב'דגל התורה' הארצית אומר ל'חדשות העיר': "ניסיון הפוטש המדובר ככה"נ לא יצליח, נוכח מגמת ההיחשלות של מקורבי הרב לנדו, שרואים בעיניים כלות איך המפלגה נשמטת להם מבין האצבעות לטובת הרב הירש".
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It may be high time for some conscription of American bochurim in the USA boot camp, it will make them into mentchen.
What is City News known as in Ivrit? Who's behind it? Is it another National Enquirer type shmatta like Ponim Chadoshos? Sounds like a big manufactured dray to me as I've never seen chilukei dayos by these 2 gedolim or even a hint, not a one. Not only are they on good terms but they are cousins. Aww shucks! DIN may be denied his groiseh geshmack to salivate over an extra large bucket of greasy popcorn. How do you anti-Charedi Fressers wash that junk down by the way? Do you GLUGG a supersized radioactive tone Orange Fanta? Or do you SLURP AWAY a pot of zup vee a slob that makes the KJ Satmar Rov look like Ms Manners?
Look who's talking (& varfing stones!) Things got pretty sticky & shmutzik in Dati Looney land eh, when some people with a conscience were fighting the cover ups by your rabbinical Srugie Con Men protecting Sickos like Moti Elon & Aharon Bina!
"Leshem Shamayim" is also what DIN says on himself, but between the 2 sides he's the least believable! DIN is like the political animal James Carville hanikra James Gargoyle in the service of the Clintons who will say any lie to advance his corrupt cause. When criminality surfaced on the Clintons, Carville came out swinging, against Republicans oddly enough, that THIS IS WAAAAAAR! You can bet that the phonetics are similar with DIN, out of Glee, sitting there Bleating out about some WAAAAAR (in zein vildeh dimyonos) in Slabodka Bnei Brak!
Listen tzaddik, who was going to report this מחלוקת?
The Yated? Hapeles" Hamavasar?
Don't you worry I will still have much popcorn left before this explodes in the Media!
Oh wow "they are cousins" ... this remark is too funny for words! I have news for you, Yaakov and Eisav were brothers!
I have always maintained that Chardeim hate each others guts and if not for the government, they would swallow each other alive
רַבִּי חֲנִינָא סְגַן הַכֹּהֲנִים אוֹמֵר, הֱוֵי מִתְפַּלֵּל בִּשְׁלוֹמָהּ שֶׁל מַלְכוּת, שֶׁאִלְמָלֵא מוֹרָאָהּ, אִישׁ אֶת רֵעֵהוּ חַיִּים בְּלָעוֹ.
Pebbles
This is pure unadulterated Lashon Hara
Let's say they have differences, that doesn't necessariy indicate it isn't leshem shamayim.
Ha Ha Ha
If not for the news in pubic that Ponovitz Roshei Yeshiva are dragging each other in court and hate each other's guts and they are brother-in-laws, you wouldn't have believed me either!
It now turns out that the "mechablim" don't like the arbitration and officially hired a new lawyer not to chas ve'sholom go to Bais Din like every pushiter Yid but will now officially go to Civil Court!
This fight between the "cousins" is going to be far nastier!
Popcorn? Anyone want popcorn?
It's poshut that Chabadsker followers of Rav Lando (who is from the ziknei Lubavitch) want their man to be #1 instead of a "Snag". Very creative of DIN to shape this into a Litvishe pirud, abee he can get his jollies for another sensational smear of Charedim
I will spare you the gantz arichus in sefer Parshas Derochim so the short of it is that Yaakov was not a relation l’halacha to Eisav. Until the psoiles finished coming out of the Avos that chelek are goyim gemurim. Now even you are knowledgeable enough that there is also a Halacha l’Moshe miSinai that Eisav hates Yaakov’s guts, no small matter, which R’ Chaim Brisker explained its ad kday kach that every goy after Eisav really wants to strangle a Yid when he sees one even if he doesn’t fully realize it. It’s incredible how you muster every ounce of your fleish to argue until you’re blue in the face with various non-points so you can “win” every argument …
Tempest in a teapot! Outside their dalled amos, who cares about their stupid petty cr@p? Let them duke it out any way they want and wake me when they're done.
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Which part of this machlokas can possibly be "Leshem Shmayim?"
Myshiach
It's not "poshit" since you are confusing the Landaus, Rav Dov Landau has nothing to do with Chabad!
I don't need to be creative about Litvishe "Gedoilim" fighting, they are creative themselves! I don't need to do anything but to report! I am not "smearing" anybody; they are doing a great job of smearing themselves!
Wow I'll bet your thumb is sore from all that twisting as
the story of those brothers are explicit in the Torah
Every time the Torah write Eisav the Torah adds that they were brothers
This "pesoilis" business is kabbala and we have a principle in theTorah
אין המקרא יוצא מדי פשוטו
Rashi says that many times!
וַיִּמְלְא֥וּ יָמֶ֖יהָ לָלֶ֑דֶת וְהִנֵּ֥ה תוֹמִ֖ם בְּבִטְנָֽהּ׃
וַיֵּצֵ֤א הָרִאשׁוֹן֙ אַדְמוֹנִ֔י כֻּלּ֖וֹ כְּאַדֶּ֣רֶת שֵׂעָ֑ר וַיִּקְרְא֥וּ שְׁמ֖וֹ עֵשָֽׂו׃
וְאַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֞ן יָצָ֣א אָחִ֗יו וְיָד֤וֹ אֹחֶ֙זֶת֙ בַּעֲקֵ֣ב עֵשָׂ֔ו וַיִּקְרָ֥א שְׁמ֖וֹ יַעֲקֹ֑ב וְיִצְחָ֛ק בֶּן־שִׁשִּׁ֥ים שָׁנָ֖ה בְּלֶ֥דֶת אֹתָֽם׃
וַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־זָקֵ֣ן יִצְחָ֔ק וַתִּכְהֶ֥יןָ עֵינָ֖יו מֵרְאֹ֑ת וַיִּקְרָ֞א אֶת־עֵשָׂ֣ו ׀ בְּנ֣וֹ הַגָּדֹ֗ל וַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֵלָיו֙ בְּנִ֔י וַיֹּ֥אמֶר אֵלָ֖יו הִנֵּֽנִי׃
וְרִבְקָה֙ אָֽמְרָ֔ה אֶל־יַעֲקֹ֥ב בְּנָ֖הּ לֵאמֹ֑ר הִנֵּ֤ה שָׁמַ֙עְתִּי֙ אֶת־אָבִ֔יךָ מְדַבֵּ֛ר אֶל־עֵשָׂ֥ו אָחִ֖יךָ לֵאמֹֽר׃
וַיִּשְׁלַ֤ח יִצְחָק֙ אֶֽת־יַעֲקֹ֔ב וַיֵּ֖לֶךְ פַּדֶּ֣נָֽה אֲרָ֑ם אֶל־לָבָ֤ן בֶּן־בְּתוּאֵל֙ הָֽאֲרַמִּ֔י אֲחִ֣י רִבְקָ֔ה אֵ֥ם יַעֲקֹ֖ב וְעֵשָֽׂו׃
וַיִּשְׁלַ֨ח יַעֲקֹ֤ב מַלְאָכִים֙ לְפָנָ֔יו אֶל־עֵשָׂ֖ו אָחִ֑יו
Your Brisker Toraeleh apparently applies to Jews too!
I didn’t confuse anything. Believe it or not there are actually things that DIN does NOT know! Hayitochen?! (Heavy Sarcasm!). BOTH Rav Landos / Landaus you are thinking of are Chabadskers! The Slabodker Rosh yeshiva Lando is name dropped by a big shem davar in NY Chabad as one of theirs who is “borrowed” by the Litvisher as “their” velt’s lamdan. And if DIN was paying attention he would’ve noticed that when the Yated is promoting Rav Lando’s road trips to Amerikanner yeshivos, the Chabadosphere is promoting little detours to his Lubav homeboys that the Yated ignores. Unlike many other Chabadskers who became recognized roshei yeshivos by the Litvisher but who forgot their roots, the Slabodker Rav Lando is still very much a card carrying member of Lubavitch! Ergo, you are trying to artificially present a “Litvisher” pirud when there is a power play in motion by some Chabadsker underlings
Same old, same old, you can never admit your weak & totally baseless defenses only "win" you arguments because you manipulate the conversation with mockery, bullying, beating around the bush & slick talk. If you don't shut down the dissenting voices beyodayim they get tired of responding to your non-rebuttals. It doesn't matter if the concept of psoiless comes from sifrei Soid because it is halacha pesuka that Eisav is a goy gomur. Rashi defining pshutoi does not align with your definition which is karov to the Karaites & other literal stickler bums - if you're not already there in your Tzioni freefall.
"who was going to report this מחלוקת?"
DIN has the Alter Yenta middah of answering a question with a question (& then he mocks yeshivishe chevra as the drey kops LOL)
IF (& that's a BIG IF) this supposed Slabodker kerfuffle has any validity in that it actually exists in the real world outside of DIN's fleeting chaloimos, it'll get picked up by Israel Hayom's reporter on frumma affairs
You Ignorant & Stupid
"The Karaites & other literal stickler bums "are actually the Chareidim who want to drey and drey and drey until their thumbs get sore!
The Pesukm, (targim Onkelois and Rashi) I quoted are very clear that Eisav And Yakkov were brothers and children of the same father and mother!
According to you why did the Torah write this explicitly many times and really mean something else??
You can bring me all the " Sifrei Soid" you want and that's why its a "soid" because no one else knows about that! I also have a "soid" that no one else knows, but I'll reveal it now! You are a fool, a naar and did I mention an "am-haaretz me'doirissah"
וַיִּמְלְא֥וּ יָמֶ֖יהָ לָלֶ֑דֶת וְהִנֵּ֥ה תוֹמִ֖ם בְּבִטְנָֽהּ׃
וַיֵּצֵ֤א הָרִאשׁוֹן֙ אַדְמוֹנִ֔י כֻּלּ֖וֹ כְּאַדֶּ֣רֶת שֵׂעָ֑ר וַיִּקְרְא֥וּ שְׁמ֖וֹ עֵשָֽׂו׃
וְאַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֞ן יָצָ֣א אָחִ֗יו וְיָד֤וֹ אֹחֶ֙זֶת֙ בַּעֲקֵ֣ב עֵשָׂ֔ו וַיִּקְרָ֥א שְׁמ֖וֹ יַעֲקֹ֑ב וְיִצְחָ֛ק בֶּן־שִׁשִּׁ֥ים שָׁנָ֖ה בְּלֶ֥דֶת אֹתָֽם׃
וַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־זָקֵ֣ן יִצְחָ֔ק וַתִּכְהֶ֥יןָ עֵינָ֖יו מֵרְאֹ֑ת וַיִּקְרָ֞א אֶת־עֵשָׂ֣ו ׀ בְּנ֣וֹ הַגָּדֹ֗ל וַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֵלָיו֙ בְּנִ֔י וַיֹּ֥אמֶר אֵלָ֖יו הִנֵּֽנִי׃
וְרִבְקָה֙ אָֽמְרָ֔ה אֶל־יַעֲקֹ֥ב בְּנָ֖הּ לֵאמֹ֑ר הִנֵּ֤ה שָׁמַ֙עְתִּי֙ אֶת־אָבִ֔יךָ מְדַבֵּ֛ר אֶל־עֵשָׂ֥ו אָחִ֖יךָ לֵאמֹֽר׃
וַיִּשְׁלַ֤ח יִצְחָק֙ אֶֽת־יַעֲקֹ֔ב וַיֵּ֖לֶךְ פַּדֶּ֣נָֽה אֲרָ֑ם אֶל־לָבָ֤ן בֶּן־בְּתוּאֵל֙ הָֽאֲרַמִּ֔י אֲחִ֣י רִבְקָ֔ה אֵ֥ם יַעֲקֹ֖ב וְעֵשָֽׂו׃
וַיִּשְׁלַ֨ח יַעֲקֹ֤ב מַלְאָכִים֙ לְפָנָ֔יו אֶל־עֵשָׂ֖ו אָחִ֑י
Ploiderer
You didn't answer my question
"who was going to report this מחלוקת?"
and its not a "Slabodker kerfuffle" it's a מחלוקת
DIN gets a high from ridiculing Yeshivishe mannerisms of thumbs & voice tones. While the Yeshivishe are the real McCoy which it’s odd he is laughing at them, the real joke are his Moderner heroes. There is a shnit by the Moderner who do very bad imitations of Yeshivishe antics that DIN is so hung up on. And those Moderner who do it, thinking they are cool & somehow outcompeting the Yeshivishe, mamash look like wackos! One of them got the pulpit in a shul out of town because his supporters from Bnei Akiva took over the Board & wanted him instead of a Yeshivishe despite that he is a grubbeh am haaretz. He is so void of yedios that he is the only shul rabbi in that city’s history who the Vaad Harabbonim did not allow a rotation turn on the Beis din
DIN continues to slide left... hoping for anything to cast shomrei torah umitzvos in a bad light. The Chiloni is your hero. It's the same slippery slope that thousands before you have slid down. Always righteous and looking for the truth DIN cannot find anything good about Bnei Torah.
Ver es lacht tzim sof lacht in besten
You are a troll and a very dumb one, too!
You keep reading aand following my blog like a masochist!
I learned in your yeshivois a good part of my life and I'm in kollel now so I'm in the system and am very well immersed in their culture!
" Yeshivishe mannerisms of thumbs & voice tones" is a bunch of childish, naive disconnected ama-ratzim!
They think they know it all and mock Baalei-Batim, and it turns out that the largest shiurim are given by Baalei-Batim, go to any shul and the shiurim and the Daf- Hayoimie are given almost exclusively by Baalei-Batim!
Those you call "Bnei-Tora" are ruba de'ruba ama-ratzim! Their wives know Halacha and Tanach, while they have no clue who the Radak or the Malbim is!
I live in Beit Shemesh and I can tell you first hand that those you call "Moderna" are all baki in Shas & Poiskim and can run circles around any talmid from the dueling Ponovitz leidegeirs and the Mir coffee clutchers!
Those learning on Brisk with the steel wool peyos are what Rav Shach called "Loimdeshe Ana-Ratzim"
The Yeshiva system is down they haven't produced Torah Leaders in decades, they take very old People and make them their " Gedoilim" and send them around on Jets to schnoor! Most of them are totally out of it and haven't a clue what's going on are manipulated by sophisticated fraudsters!
There isn't one single "moderna' that wants to "imitate" the dumb "Yeshivishe Shnit" it's all in your dumb Head!
11:17
The troll is at it again!
I live in Eretz Yisrael, I don't "slide" anywhere, we have no snow here, thank the RBS"O!
I am a Shomer Torah Umitzvois and I love all Jews, unlike the Yeshivishe parasites!
All productive Jews are my Heros, including those who still Chilonim!
Those you call "Bnei-Torah" hate the land they live in, have absolutely zero hakoras hatoiv, and hate the majority of the Jewish people who don't look or dress like them!
Just last week, a leader of thousands came to Israel from KJ Uganda, and lied through his teeth about Shoimrei-Torah Umitzvois ... right here in Israel !
And the clincher is that he badmouthed his own Bochrim learning in Israel ... he is one piece of cake!
Meanwhile his own town has thousands going off the derech and are unfortunately on drugs!
So Ill give you a Christian message
"those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
Clean up your Slabodkas, your Ponovitzs first!
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