Candace Owens sharply criticized Ben Shapiro in a recent podcast episode, responding to his remarks at Turning Point USA’s AmericaFest conference, where he condemned her for spreading conspiracy theories.
Owens, in profane language, dismissed Shapiro and referenced historical antisemitic tropes, including claims about the Talmud and Jewish involvement in the Atlantic slave trade. She held up a copy of “Der Talmudjude” (“The Talmud Jew”), an 1871 book by August Rohling, a 19th-century Catholic priest whose work has been widely discredited as relying on mistranslations, selective quotations and fabrications to portray Judaism as hostile toward non-Jews.
Video PlayerCritics, including Jewish organizations and scholars, have described Rohling’s book as a foundational text for antisemitic propaganda, influencing later hate literature despite being debunked in its author’s lifetime.
Owens alleged that the Talmud teaches Jews to hate, exploit or deceive non-Jews, view them as animals or permit their enslavement — claims long rejected by Jewish scholars as distortions of ancient texts.
She also repeated assertions that Jews dominated or bore responsibility for the Atlantic slave trade, a trope criticized by historians as overstated and rooted in antisemitic narratives.
The episode followed Shapiro’s speech at AmericaFest on Dec. 18, where he accused Owens of “vicious attacks” and “hideous” conspiracies, particularly regarding the September assassination of Turning Point USA co-founder Charlie Kirk. Shapiro, who previously employed Owens at The Daily Wire until their 2024 parting amid tensions over Israel, called for accountability from figures amplifying unsubstantiated claims.
Owens’ podcast, which frequently ranks among the top in news and overall categories on platforms like Spotify and Apple, averages millions of views and downloads per episode, according to analytics reports.
The exchange has highlighted divisions within conservative circles, with some figures defending Owens’ right to question narratives and others condemning the promotion of what they call dangerous stereotypes.
Turning Point USA and representatives for Shapiro and Owens did not immediately respond to requests for comment.