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Talmud: So a lot of the guys are talking about , I guess, about the Kol Korah that went out, from Lakewood about attending the rally , that said, I think (that people shouldn't go to the rally) because of the agenda of the people involved (in the rally) and not being fully aware of what the agenda is and recommending that Bnei Torah of Lakewood at least that no one go
Rabbi Wein: They don't learn lessons.....there were rallies for Soviet Jewry and then they also said "Don't go". The only reason that the Soviet Jews got out was because there were rallies
I don't understand it, I just don't understand it , it's beyond me
The Jewish people are on the line , They (Hamas) mean Lakewood too
So what in the world is wrong with you?
You don't know what the agenda is?
The agenda is that Jewish people in America are being persecuted
So because you are living in a bubble so you think "nafshe he'zalti?"
I don't know, I don't know who put it out, I don't know who signed it . A lot of is Fake news
You know how many Kol Koras are signed by people who never saw it?
Talmud:Yes, in America, I know that there was a debate to go or not to go. I know that in my shul, the Rav said that if (going to the rally) is going to affect your sedarim you have to think
about going.
Rabbi Wein: The gemaarah says that when it is a milchemes mitzva even a Chassan at his Chuppah has to go, everybody goes ....you know if we don't win this there won't be any "sedarim"
Talmud: So I was thinking that now there is no "pirud" in Eretz Yisrael and they are pretty much unified. Whatever division there was everyone is for the common goal . We don't have that in America yet. And I was thinking that this would have been an amazing opportunity.
Rabbi Wein: Absolutely!
Talmud: Despite the fact there was a Reform Rabbi getting up (speaking) or ....
Rabbi Wein: That battle is not with reform anymore, that battle is not with reform anymore, that battle is over ...your fighting the 18th century all over again.... it is obvious that reform is gone!
What difference does it make? American Jewry is gone and now "omdim aleinu" you won't be able to walk the streets in Chicago and New York. You will have to have your sedorim in private.
A lot of is because the Orthodox community has no guts! They know it's wrong but they have no guts because they won't stand up to it. Because of our cancel culture, we are the ones that invented it.
I'm sorry that you told me about it.
Talmud: I'm sorry that I pained the rebbe , I'm sorry that I pained you. Some shuls in Passaic, Rabbi Sacks said that everyone should go, I'm bringing Landers I'm bringing my Kollel, I'm bringing the boys. and it was a little bit of wishy-washy in other areas
I think they said that there were about 300,000 but I suppose it obviously could have been a lot more than that
Rabbi Wein: It should have been more. A Mazel it was 300,000. You have 5 million Jews in America and you only had 300,000? That shows how weak we are! If 50,000 or 70,000 orthodox Jews would have went and Lakewood would have gone then that would be a statement
Part of it is that they (the orthodox) are convinced that the goyim don't mean them, and they will manage to ride it out., They are going to have cholent forever, that is very shortsighted. The lack of perspective of the past and of the future
and all those guys weren't alive at the Holocaust, I was and they don't remember what it looked like in 1946 after the war when a Jew in America couldn't raise his head
They don't remember What Eretz Yisrael did for us!
B"h I'm not "daas Torah"
Talmud: If you don't learn history you are bound to repeat it?
Rabbi wein" You don't have to repeat it, You just don't have a perspective of what is going on
You do things that are counter productive to you and that's how we got into this mess today because Israel didn't ......... they knew there is no hope, they knew Oslo was wrong, but they like to kick the can down then road until you can't anymore ... The middas hadin was pogeiah.
But that sounds silly that a reform rabbi would speak .... I don't know if a reform rabbi spoke or he didnt spewak
Talmud Or She (the rabbi)
Wein: or a Lesbian...I don't care what? That has nothing to do with anything. We are always worried that we have to "recognize them " we don't have to recognize them anymore its been 200 year gone already... What are you talking about?
Reb Yisrael Salanter said when reform started, he said that the Chasam Sofer put them all in Chierim he said that if it was up to me I would have put a Bais Medrash in every reform temple
You are not allowed to talk to them.... so if you are not allowed to talk to then what do you expect from them? The only one who had anything to do with them was the Lubavitcher Rebbe
Talmud: In what way?
Rabbi Wein: Chabad will go into a reform temple. If Lakewood would go into a reform temple they would also have an influence.
This war in Israel has made more Jews.... traditional.. I cannot measure tzidkis but the country became traditional ...there is Shabbos and Yom Tov and Kosher... What do you want?
80% of Americans are eating Neiveilis and treifis and here everything is kosher and here is where its no good (sarcastically) because it's not MY kosher.?..I don't get it I just don't get it
My rabbaim were not like that. I remember my rebbe Rav Mendel Kaplan z"l who certainly was no Zionist so when Ben Gurion came to Chicago in the Stevens Hotel selling Israel Bonds, he went down there to see it and the next day in the shiur he said "you know what I saw? I saw the Bnei Avraham give money " So I come from a different cheder. I cant relate to it.
Talmud: And I come from your cheder so we are in the same boat
Rabbi wein: I'm afraid for my grandchildren and my great grandchildren they will have no awreness. In the 1930's there was no awareness
You ask "How could it happen?"
Everything can happen that is what this war taught us, that everything can happen, they can burn your baby in front of your eyes, everything that is written in Parshas Nitzavim Happened
We learn Chumash but we don't believe in it we don't think that the chumash actually meant it
"veyisam meshugah me'mareh amecha" we don't believe it. ok
