In this "Milchemes Mitzvah" they dragged a retired secular Judge to arbitrate this dispute! These are the Lomdei Torah that we are supposed to look up to and respect!
Retired judge David Cheshin is set to deliver a dramatic ruling in the decades-long Ponovezh Yeshiva dispute, addressing both financial ownership and spiritual authority.
A dramatic ruling is expected within the next day from retired judge David Cheshin, who has been serving as arbitrator in the long-running dispute surrounding the Ponovezh (also spelled Ponovitz) Yeshiva in Bnei Brak - one of the oldest and most well-known internal conflicts in the Haredi world.
Haredi commentator Yisrael Cohen outlined the roots of the dispute in a conversation with Israel National News - Arutz Sheva, describing the historic stature of the institution. “This is the Oxford of the yeshiva world,” he said.
Following the Holocaust, Rabbi Yosef Kahaneman arrived in Israel with a vision to rebuild a great yeshiva bearing the name of the town in which he had once served as rabbi. “People pitied him and didn’t believe he could do it, but he purchased lands in Bnei Brak and built a massive Beit Midrash for that era.”
Rabbi Kahaneman also established dormitories for students, housing for Rabbis, teachers and lecturers, and founded orphanages for boys and girls from across the Jewish world - all funded through donations he raised abroad. What began with a small group of students grew rapidly, and over the years leading senior Rabbis were appointed, including Rabbi Shmuel Rozovsky, Rabbi Dovid Kovarsky, and Rabbi Shach, who ultimately became the leading figure of the Lithuanian Torah world.
After Rabbi Kahaneman’s passing, the yeshiva was led by his son, Rabbi Avraham Kahaneman. Upon his own passing, a fierce conflict erupted between his son, Rabbi Eliezer Kahaneman, and his son-in-law, Rabbi Shmuel Markovitz, over both financial ownership and authority within the yeshiva.
“The late rabbi left two children - Rabbi Eliezer, and Rebbetzin Tzipora, who married Rabbi Markovitz,” Cohen explained. Disagreements over inheritance soon escalated into a struggle over leadership. Rabbi Markovitz claimed that Rabbi Shach had intended for him to assume the role of rosh yeshiva, in addition to his familial standing. Rabbi Kahaneman, meanwhile, stated he was prepared to forgo material ownership but insisted that he retained the right to appoint the yeshiva’s leadership, as had other yeshiva leaders aligned with him in previous years.
Over time, the dispute drew in senior rabbinic leaders across the Haredi sector, dividing the yeshiva into two rival camps -
the “Shonim” and the “Machablim.”
Each faction now operates its own administrative structure, with separate rabbinic staff, student rosters, and even split dormitories and study areas. Prayers and public events are held separately, and any joint framework has long since collapsed.
According to Cohen, tensions at times spilled into physical confrontations, and for roughly two decades the institution has functioned as what he termed “two yeshivot under one roof.”
tudents study the same Talmud tractate and share the dining hall, but the faculty, lecturers, supervisors, and dormitory divisions remain completely separate. Even on Shabbat and holidays, the split is seen clearly: the Shonim and their rabbis pray in the “Ohel Kedoshim” hall established by Rabbi Kahaneman, while the other camp maintains its own prayer groups.
Cohen noted that each new academic year often saw renewed clashes, as both sides accepted hundreds of new students and fought over beds, rooms, and seating in the Beit Midrash - “causing a great desecration of G-d's name,” he said.
Given the immense material and spiritual value of the property and in an attempt to prevent further deterioration, both sides eventually agreed to enter arbitration before Judge Cheshin. His forthcoming ruling is expected to determine how authority and ownership - both financial and spiritual - will be divided.
Addressing the question of how a community that generally avoids civil courts came to accept such a process, Cohen tried to circumvent the issue and stressed that this is arbitration, not a court proceeding.
With a straight face he said “That makes it easier for the sides to accept the decision. There is also hope that someone from outside will see the full picture more clearly and deliver a better outcome.” Whoever believes this explanation also believes in the tooth fairy!
The ruling is expected to outline the future distribution of responsibilities and assets in the yeshiva, much of which stands on land acquired decades ago by Rabbi Kahaneman. Whether the decision will be accepted by both camps remains uncertain.
Despite the split, Cohen emphasized that the yeshiva’s reputation remains untouched. (??)
“The Ponovezh name hasn’t suffered.(LOL) One would expect such a dispute to weaken the yeshiva, but it didn’t happen - the best students still sought admission.”
Although the conflict generated headlines over the years, Cohen said the individuals involved never viewed their actions as deliberate provocation.
“Each side believes it is fighting for truth, for a religious principle that cannot be compromised.”
In which dispute do the parties not believe that they are fighting for the truth?
Yet even after moments of public tension, he noted, it was common to see members of both camps continuing their routine calmly side-by-side in the Beit Midrash, just like the Arabs and the Jews!
14 comments:
DIN "judges" Charedim every day (dishonestly, lekaf choiv) & despite that no one asked him to stick his nose or sputter his deios in anything
To 8:24 the Putz
No one asks any columnist to "stick their nose into anything!
You don't have to read my blog, just today I had 19,862 views (check the Google count on the sidebar) I can live without you!
But you are a glutton for punishment and a masochist! I don't read blogs that I don't agree with!
I would tell you to go to hell but I know you are already there!
As someone in the financial business who see businesses settling disputes by conflict resolution mediators out of court it seems to me that people complaining about how Ponvitch is having this issue decided do not understand the difference between a court issuing a legal ruling and submitting to binding arbitration outside of the judicial system for mediated conflict resolutions. Rabbi Cohen is 100% correct about the logic for going about this way and why this is not turning to a secular court.
It's like they don't want Israelis to try out Torah by making the "Torah True Lifestyle" as primitive as possible.
Shoin! Er iz duch a "columnist" yetzt! So tell us Mr. Wannabe, which newspaper exactly do you write a column for? You apparently weren't even good enough for your fellow traveller amateur obsessed with sinas Satmar, Chaim Shaulson over at Vochenshmutz / Punim Chalushos.
How is DIN going to handle the 3 Satmar factions (KJ-Willy-Monsey) trying to spring child rapist Weberman from jail without socking it to Modern Orthodox Sacred Cow Hershel Schlechter who signed with them? Must be quite a dilemma for poor DIN, almost as bad as if Rabbi Aviner was overcome by his conscience & showed up at the Atzeres Tefilah
9:37
I was in the financial business for decades when we had a dispute and needed binding arbitration we went too a rav of a Bais Din we didn't take a retired judge from a secular court, this is masquerading as what is really happening, thinking that we are all stupid !
This judge was a judge in a secular court for decades; he is not going to rule al pi Torah, he is going to rule al pi Israeli secular law!
There is no difference between this and going to a secular court!
to the Chamor 7:03
I'm writing for the most popular Blog called DIN which has reached over 30 million views in a decade ! Chaim Shaulson is a shtick drek who is against leidegeirs going to the army
7:11
I will talking about Weberman soon!
Harav Aviner shlitah didn't have to "overcome his conscience" only the Chareidie fakes and frauds have to "overcome" their conscience!
And it wasn't an "Atzeres Tefila" it was a huge Chillul Hashem! 500,00 closed their gemarra because three guys couldn't crap in a prison cell but then yell "We will die but not enlist" ha ha
It’s concerning that if you have that many clicks that you’re ok spewing hatred towards different factions of Judaism! I may not agree with everyone’s actions but we can all agree that openly condemning and name calling of a specific group is utterly dangerous and flat out wrong. Do better.
Judge Jury Executioner
I think you're wrong on this one. DIN simply shared an unfortunate story as other sites did - he did not shame all Charedim for it. Emes
4:01
What hate? What the Hell are you talking about? Have you been living under a rock???
The ones hating are the Ponovitz Talmidim themselves, they hate each other guts ! I'm just posting it!
It’s not only in reference to this post - it’s in reference to your negligence in choosing words - whether to just repost as is or to rewrite it- that don’t contribute to unity amongst ourselves. They will always be stupid people, doing stupid stuff. But you’re also doing something stupid by commenting in a slanted version of it.
10:09
I just wrote the facts and the facts are very stubborn and don't lie!
There are two factions in Ponovitz who hate each other's guts and won't daven together or learn together or share a dormitory room together! They were also mevaza each other's Roshei Yeshiva to their faces!
After decades of this hate, they decided to take a Secular retired Judge to arbitrate! Not a Rav of a Bais Din...nope... they wouldn't trust those guys! Only a retired SECULAR judge would do!
Note: the ones that hired this guy were Ponivitz Bnei _ Torah! This judge wasn't going to rule al pi Torah but al po secular Israeli Law! They all knew this in advance but wanted to pull the wool over our eyes, thinking that the Hamoin Am are a bunch of ignorant idiots!
If any other Jew would go to a secular judge to adjudicate any case, that Jew would be put in Cheirim, even if it wasn't in the courtroom itself! The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven!
So tell me Mr 10:09 in what way was this slanted?
No it doesn't "contribute to unity," but who is the one that caused it, the parties to this Chillul Hashem, or the one reporting it?
Not one Chardeie is interested in "unity" the 500,000 Chillul Hashem contributed to "unity?"
You have an entire segment of Israeli society who are not interested in "unity" don't even recognize the country they live in, don't have anything to do with of 6 million other Jews living in the same country, refuse to serve it, and refuse to contribute in any way!
So I am the one who is not contributing to "unity?"
How insane is this warped way of thinking??
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