Guy is an ass. My opinion. If the Babylonian Talmud wanted to tell us that, from the time Israel was conquered by the Romans or destroyed, God has only his place in Halacha, it would have said that. But the great sages decided to say, "from the time that the Temple was destroyed." Very specific. He twists an interpretation to suit his purpose.
Who is he to decide that we should follow the Jerusalem Talmud when clearly Jewish law follows the Babylonian Talmud? Then he goes and says later on that all Jewish people should be considered part of our nation, when in the same breath he goes and he cancels those Jews that he says have excluded themselves from the Jewish nation. He questions what is Daas "Th"orah but wants everyone to accepts his opinion . Then, at the end, as he normally does, he has to give a dig to Chabad.
I wouldn't trust this guy in any of his teachings further than I can throw a 1,000-pound ball.
5:11 Typical naive Charedie response: when presented by facts, attack the messenger!
He didn't twist anything; his interpretation is basically pashut pshat! and those living in Israel actually follow the Yerushalmi over the Bavli
Rabbanim have argued that Jews living in Israel should give greater authority to the Talmud Yerushalmi than has traditionally been done in the Diaspora,
Some notable examples: Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (1865-1935) Rav Kook wrote that the Torah of Eretz Yisrael possesses a unique character and repeatedly stressed the importance of reviving serious study of the Yerushalmi. He saw the Yerushalmi as especially connected to the spiritual reality of the Land of Israel, though he did not advocate abandoning the Bavli.
Rabbi David Bar-Hayim (contemporary) One of the strongest contemporary proponents of this idea is Rabbi David Bar-Hayim of Machon Shilo. He argues that residents of Eretz Yisrael should seek to recover the ancient Land of Israel tradition and, where justified by the sources, rule according to the Yerushalmi and the geonic traditions of Eretz Yisrael rather than automatically following later Babylonian-based custom.
The Vilna Gaon (Gra) The Gra greatly elevated the status of the Yerushalmi in halachic decision-making and often preferred its readings and conclusions. In fact he wrote a commentary on the Yerushalmi
Rabbi Yaakov David Wilovsky (Ridbaz) The Ridbaz, who moved to Eretz Yisrael, devoted enormous effort to the Yerushalmi and wrote an important commentary on it. He believed it deserved far more weight in practical halachic rulings than it generally received.
Rambam Interestingly, some scholars have argued that the Rambam relied on the Yerushalmi even against the Bavli or where the Bavli was silent. However, the Rambam certainly accepted the general authority of the Bavli, as well.
The Rabbi in the video slowly and deliberately says that basically, Charedim have hijacked the meaning of "Daas Torah" and kidnapped the word "gedoilim" I have said many times, that Charedim deliberately set up their parties with placing "gedoilim" as the leader of the political party so that they can't be criticized. Well, the oilim is buying this crap anymore, its over!
There is a genuine teaching associated with both the Vilna Gaon (the Gra) and Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (Rav Kook) that, in the Messianic era, the Jerusalem Talmud (Talmud Yerushalmi) will regain prominence. But that is different from saying that Jewish law has already shifted its final authority from the Babylonian Talmud (Talmud Bavli) to the Jerusalem Talmud.
The distinction is important: they emphasized the Jerusalem Talmud's greater future significance, not a general replacement of the Babylonian Talmud as the final authority in halachah. talmudyerushalmi.org +1
### 1\. What the Vilna Gaon taught
The Vilna Gaon (1720–1797) placed extraordinary importance on the Jerusalem Talmud, which had received less attention in much of the Jewish world than the Babylonian Talmud.
He studied it extensively, wrote commentaries on it, and used it to clarify the meaning of passages in the Babylonian Talmud and later halachic works. Betemunah +1
A teaching attributed to the Gra, and later reiterated by Rav Kook, states that the Messianic era will bring a renewed prominence to the Jerusalem Talmud. talmudyerushalmi.org +1
However, I would distinguish that teaching from the claim that the Gra ruled that the Jerusalem Talmud would simply replace the Babylonian Talmud as the final authority for Jewish law.
### 2\. What Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook taught
Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (1865–1935) developed a profound understanding of the differences between the two Talmuds.
In his writings, Rav Kook associated the Babylonian Talmud with the intellectual struggle of exile, characterized by questions, debate, and analytical reasoning. He associated the Torah of the Land of Israel with a more direct, spiritually illuminated understanding of Torah.
His work Orot HaTorah 13:1 discusses the Babylonian Talmud's relationship to the darkness of exile and the light that emerges from it. Voices on Sefaria +1
Rav Kook also explored how the Jerusalem Talmud gives greater expression to the spiritual and prophetic dimensions of the Torah of the Land of Israel. Modern scholarship has examined this theme in detail. The Hebrew University of Jerusalem +1
This helps explain why he envisioned a greater role for the Jerusalem Talmud in the future.
### 3\. Does this mean the halachic authority has shifted?
No. The traditional halachic framework continues to recognize the Babylonian Talmud as the primary authority when the two Talmuds directly disagree. The Jerusalem Talmud remains an important source for understanding and determining halachah, particularly where the Babylonian Talmud is silent, ambiguous, or open to clarification. Chabad +1
The distinction is between two propositions:
* Established halachic principle: The Babylonian Talmud generally takes precedence in a direct conflict.
* The teaching attributed to the Gra and Rav Kook: The Jerusalem Talmud will experience a revival and play a greater role in the Torah understanding of the Messianic era.
The second does not, by itself, overturn the first.
### 4\. The deeper implication
There is nevertheless a fascinating idea here. If the Jerusalem Talmud represents, in Rav Kook's thought, a form of Torah more deeply connected to the spiritual qualities of the Land of Israel, its future prominence could signify more than an increased interest in an old text. It could represent a transformation in how Torah is understood and applied.
That is a meaningful interpretation of Rav Kook's vision, but it should not be confused with an explicit ruling that the Jerusalem Talmud has already superseded the Babylonian Talmud.
One important question remains: If you encountered a quotation claiming that the Gra or Rav Kook said that the Jerusalem Talmud would become the final arbiter of Jewish law, can you share its wording or source? I can then trace it to the original Hebrew text and determine whether it refers to the Messianic future, the relative spiritual authority of the two Talmuds, or an actual change in halachic authority.
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He's dished plenty on the DL community.
Guy is an ass. My opinion. If the Babylonian Talmud wanted to tell us that, from the time Israel was conquered by the Romans or destroyed, God has only his place in Halacha, it would have said that. But the great sages decided to say, "from the time that the Temple was destroyed." Very specific. He twists an interpretation to suit his purpose.
Who is he to decide that we should follow the Jerusalem Talmud when clearly Jewish law follows the Babylonian Talmud? Then he goes and says later on that all Jewish people should be considered part of our nation, when in the same breath he goes and he cancels those Jews that he says have excluded themselves from the Jewish nation. He questions what is Daas "Th"orah but wants everyone to accepts his opinion . Then, at the end, as he normally does, he has to give a dig to Chabad.
I wouldn't trust this guy in any of his teachings further than I can throw a 1,000-pound ball.
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5:11
Typical naive Charedie response: when presented by facts, attack the messenger!
He didn't twist anything; his interpretation is basically pashut pshat! and those living in Israel actually follow the Yerushalmi over the Bavli
Rabbanim have argued that Jews living in Israel should give greater authority to the Talmud Yerushalmi than has traditionally been done in the Diaspora,
Some notable examples:
Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (1865-1935)
Rav Kook wrote that the Torah of Eretz Yisrael possesses a unique character and repeatedly stressed the importance of reviving serious study of the Yerushalmi. He saw the Yerushalmi as especially connected to the spiritual reality of the Land of Israel, though he did not advocate abandoning the Bavli.
Rabbi David Bar-Hayim (contemporary)
One of the strongest contemporary proponents of this idea is Rabbi David Bar-Hayim of Machon Shilo. He argues that residents of Eretz Yisrael should seek to recover the ancient Land of Israel tradition and, where justified by the sources, rule according to the Yerushalmi and the geonic traditions of Eretz Yisrael rather than automatically following later Babylonian-based custom.
The Vilna Gaon (Gra)
The Gra greatly elevated the status of the Yerushalmi in halachic decision-making and often preferred its readings and conclusions. In fact he wrote a commentary on the Yerushalmi
Rabbi Yaakov David Wilovsky (Ridbaz)
The Ridbaz, who moved to Eretz Yisrael, devoted enormous effort to the Yerushalmi and wrote an important commentary on it. He believed it deserved far more weight in practical halachic rulings than it generally received.
Rambam
Interestingly, some scholars have argued that the Rambam relied on the Yerushalmi even against the Bavli or where the Bavli was silent. However, the Rambam certainly accepted the general authority of the Bavli, as well.
The Rabbi in the video slowly and deliberately says that basically, Charedim have hijacked the meaning of "Daas Torah" and kidnapped the word "gedoilim"
I have said many times, that Charedim deliberately set up their parties with placing "gedoilim" as the leader of the political party so that they can't be criticized.
Well, the oilim is buying this crap anymore, its over!
From ChatGBT
There is a genuine teaching associated with both the Vilna Gaon (the Gra) and Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (Rav Kook) that, in the Messianic era, the Jerusalem Talmud (Talmud Yerushalmi) will regain prominence. But that is different from saying that Jewish law has already shifted its final authority from the Babylonian Talmud (Talmud Bavli) to the Jerusalem Talmud.
The distinction is important: they emphasized the Jerusalem Talmud's greater future significance, not a general replacement of the Babylonian Talmud as the final authority in halachah. talmudyerushalmi.org +1
### 1\. What the Vilna Gaon taught
The Vilna Gaon (1720–1797) placed extraordinary importance on the Jerusalem Talmud, which had received less attention in much of the Jewish world than the Babylonian Talmud.
He studied it extensively, wrote commentaries on it, and used it to clarify the meaning of passages in the Babylonian Talmud and later halachic works. Betemunah +1
A teaching attributed to the Gra, and later reiterated by Rav Kook, states that the Messianic era will bring a renewed prominence to the Jerusalem Talmud. talmudyerushalmi.org +1
However, I would distinguish that teaching from the claim that the Gra ruled that the Jerusalem Talmud would simply replace the Babylonian Talmud as the final authority for Jewish law.
### 2\. What Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook taught
Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (1865–1935) developed a profound understanding of the differences between the two Talmuds.
In his writings, Rav Kook associated the Babylonian Talmud with the intellectual struggle of exile, characterized by questions, debate, and analytical reasoning. He associated the Torah of the Land of Israel with a more direct, spiritually illuminated understanding of Torah.
His work Orot HaTorah 13:1 discusses the Babylonian Talmud's relationship to the darkness of exile and the light that emerges from it. Voices on Sefaria +1
Rav Kook also explored how the Jerusalem Talmud gives greater expression to the spiritual and prophetic dimensions of the Torah of the Land of Israel. Modern scholarship has examined this theme in detail. The Hebrew University of Jerusalem +1
This helps explain why he envisioned a greater role for the Jerusalem Talmud in the future.
### 3\. Does this mean the halachic authority has shifted?
No. The traditional halachic framework continues to recognize the Babylonian Talmud as the primary authority when the two Talmuds directly disagree. The Jerusalem Talmud remains an important source for understanding and determining halachah, particularly where the Babylonian Talmud is silent, ambiguous, or open to clarification. Chabad +1
The distinction is between two propositions:
* Established halachic principle: The Babylonian Talmud generally takes precedence in a direct conflict.
* The teaching attributed to the Gra and Rav Kook: The Jerusalem Talmud will experience a revival and play a greater role in the Torah understanding of the Messianic era.
The second does not, by itself, overturn the first.
### 4\. The deeper implication
There is nevertheless a fascinating idea here. If the Jerusalem Talmud represents, in Rav Kook's thought, a form of Torah more deeply connected to the spiritual qualities of the Land of Israel, its future prominence could signify more than an increased interest in an old text. It could represent a transformation in how Torah is understood and applied.
That is a meaningful interpretation of Rav Kook's vision, but it should not be confused with an explicit ruling that the Jerusalem Talmud has already superseded the Babylonian Talmud.
One important question remains: If you encountered a quotation claiming that the Gra or Rav Kook said that the Jerusalem Talmud would become the final arbiter of Jewish law, can you share its wording or source? I can then trace it to the original Hebrew text and determine whether it refers to the Messianic future, the relative spiritual authority of the two Talmuds, or an actual change in halachic authority.
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