DIN. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It seems to me that you are still stuck in the covid information we had at the beginning stages. It was a time of confusion, people were dying, We didn't know of any remedy to treat the virus. I will agree that at that time people in our community were disrespecting this great health concern, and unfortunately we paid the price.....
At this time we are pretty much advanced in understanding the virus, as well as treatment for the virus.
There are many many points to point out about our current knowledge, and if you go through all the points, your assumption of the situation may be different.
I will just point out some of them.
1) the death rate plummeted way below the annual flu breakouts.
2) most of us are immune. Boro Park infection rate is 3869 per 100,000 Corona Queens 4661 per 100,000. The list goes on and on. I'm sure if everybody will retest themselves, the rate per 100,000 would plummet much lower because most of us already had the virus.
3) people who are vulnerable can easily protect themselves, similar to any person who is going through chemotherapy and they must protect themselves because of lower immune system.
4) thousands of people in our community used hydroxychloroquine in combination with azithromycin and zinc. It is clear to everybody including every single doctor I spoke to that this is a very powerful treatment for most people who have the virus. Many doctors openly told me that it is pure politics that they prohibit doctors from writing the prescription. Remember.. on a regular day a MD has the right to prescribe medications even if that specific medicine is not directly designed for that illness. But because of politics they made sure to threaten the doctors and prohibiting them from prescribing it.
Now they're saying that hydroxychloroquine can be lethal. And they managed to scare people from taking it. They're saying that there is no clinical evidence about it...
most medications if you read the label you will see the side effects. every time somebody goes through any treatment or surgery they are taking a small risk of medication clashing with their system. A person and his doctor have to be able to weigh their pros and cons if they want to go through that surgery or that medication treatment. Tiny flu that they gave a couple years ago also has many warnings, read that label please.
Why do we need a clinical evidence that this medication works? thousands of people in our community tested the medication and it worked!
I have a high risk family member in England he has diabetes plus a heart disease plus many many other health complications. We are constantly worried for his life. He was hospitalized with coronavirus in April. His family had no access to him, but they were able to send kosher food. They slipped in the hydroxychloroquine in his sandwich I believe. Guess what??!! A couple of days later he was home.
Mayor de Blasio explained that he needs to crack down on our community, but at the same time when asked about the protests, he explained that protests are different because of the great racist concerns and discrimination concerns!?
Just this week I visited a spot in Brooklyn and we saw about 40 MYPD rookies training on bicycle maneuvers. None of them were wearing masks!!
Is much more to talk about this, but the bottom line is that if you would take politics out of this, this wouldn't be considered a crisis anymore than the regular flu that hits us annually. There is no reason to keep so many children home and to shut down so many businesses.
One more thing I left out. PLAZMA!! Anybody heard of that?
This is a treatment using blood of people who are immune to the virus and they have antibodies. Now, nobody in the media is talking that thousands of our community donated plasma and saving peoples lives, but one more thing about this is that we all understand that if someone had the virus he is not a threat to infect other people anymore. So why can't I have a certificate exempting me from wearing a mask since I already have antibodies??
Any of the above does not justify violence. It doesn't matter if it's a Jew on a brother or on a stranger! This is not who we are. You will always find a nutcase or two who lose control and they start violence, but this is not really what we are worrying about because this would be only a few uncontrolled people. But overall there's enough reason for us not to be concerned about social distancing, especially when our elderly or vulnerable are aware of it, and if we see someone trying to social distance everybody respects it.
So DIN, I would ask you should try to do your full research on this whole situation, that might change the way you are so critical of our community about it.
Thank you.
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Yasher koyach to DIN who was right to be skeptical of this mechaber earlier today.
Be very careful as the anti-vaxx / pro-virus agitators are using clever ruses with the nice guy approach to brainwash everyone with their demented propaganda.
While this mechaber possibly means well, he's still mistaken either from his own misunderstandings or from falling prey to the propagandists.
I hope to have time later tonight to properly address this in detail.
Please... Anti vaxers mostly don't come with facts, they are rather skeptical of the government, and therefore caving into their own conspiracy theories.
You are still entitled to your opinions, but you are not entitled to change the facts. The fact is that far less people are dying now because of available treatment and new protocols. Even if you compare it to the previous pandemic, They never shut down anything when there is an outbreak with this amount of deaths. An average of 102 people die every day in the US from automobile accidents, and we Don't go back to horse of buggies. Every life is extremely important, but shutting down cities like this also has its great consequences. Please do Google search on how many people died of covid-19 in the past few weeks. See for yourself.
Again, I don't know who the mechaber is but I do know that the anti-vaxx have used every dirty trick imaginable and unimaginable to disguise themselves. They are as bad as the 9/11 hijackers that behaved completely unMuslim as part of carrying out their murderous scheme. The anti-vaxx even infiltrated a frum medical association & stole their anti-measles draft which they released in a hurry after warping it to become pro-measles. Not only was this an issur d'Oraysah and a criminal offense they can be imprisoned for, but the culprit(s) was never unmasked.
There is no herd immunity for corona despite the anti-vaxx wanting you to believe there is. Antibodies start dying as soon as 90 days after infection. And it's still possible for someone with antibodies to infect someone with residual live virus.
Someone would have to be insane to want to be infected. There are now 90 or so random side effects from the virus including damaged organs & damaged blood cells that can cause life long debilitating problems. Just this week, an Israeli university determined that a percentage of male patients will likely become sterile and never have children again. This makes sense as other corona cousins like SARS & the Mumps do the same thing. And the Israeli research shtims with components from more than 40 studies around the world that have been peer reviewed.
The mechaber is more or less using the talking points that anti-vaxx Philly rammed down the Agudah's throat to broadcast all over. Satmar is getting the same Philly briefings for parallel broadcasting to the non-Agudah Hungarians. An investigative reporter for the Israeli newspaper owned by billionaire Sheldon Adelson got Rebbes from both those machanos to admit they are purposely trying to infect everyone. Philly added some frumma shtick to this mix that they & some of the Rebbes & roshei yeshiva don't even believe themselves, it's just cover for another agenda. Some other Rebbes & RYs may have fallen for it if they are ignorant of the real daas Torah from previous pandemics.
The mechaber is even off mark with the statistics. The ICUs in Israel are bursting at the seams which could restart in America soon. And guess what? Even after Cuomo got caught killing off the elderly, there are still many corona deaths not being recorded. I don't just mean the nursing home shmageggies from earlier that he won't release the data on. I'm talking about an ongoing scam. And just like in the Spring when greedy Agudist operators kept quiet, even falsified documents, for money reasons, they are going along with this too. Reporters are so busy trying to pry the old data loose that it didn't dawn on them that current deaths have the cause repackaged so they don't get tallied.
I seriously question how sane the mechaber is when he deadpans that the immunodeficient can "easily" protect themselves. Do you have any idea how many victims met the same fate as the 96 year old zkan haAdmorim, the Verdaner Rebbe ztl? He suddenly fell on the floor and after 20 minutes of fluid flooding his lungs, his neshoma nebich flew out of him.
And the mechaber has no business tut-tutting how many deaths it takes for a lockdown. There are halachos of how many deaths constitutes pikuach nefesh and even what kind of debilitating side effects for the living are pikuach nefesh.
That the Mayor & Gov are reshoyim & hypocrites has no bearing on we have to do as our chiyuv shmiras haguf. So stop conflating - another anti-vaxx talking point.
The Mechaber seems to be pretty much on target. You are cleverly mixing your own opinions with facts that don't apply. We're in the middle of Chag, there's not enough time for me to answer on all your points.
vaYamass sham the lame arguments of Moshe eved of the anti-vaxx-and-pro-coronavirus
Put up or shut up.
It speaks volumes that the mechaber spins the same dreydels as the Satmar-Philly-Agudah propaganda machine, while some major gedolim who leave the politics & money cheshbonos behind say the opposite of the propaganda machine.
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