If the purpose of this get together is for Tefilah to Hkb”h, let them be Mispallel in Beis Medrash. If the purpose is a Peula for Hishtadlos, we don’t need Hishtadlus, because we can just open up a Gemoroh and start Learning and the Learning will get things done. If learning could win wars against Arab enemies, it can also win our battle against the Draft.
A massive Yom Tefillah will be held this Thursday outside Prison 10, where several Yeshiva bochurim are currently incarcerated for evading the IDF draft.
The gathering will be led by prominent Gedolim, Roshei Yeshiva, and Admorim from across the spectrum of the Torah world, uniting in heartfelt prayer on behalf of the imprisoned bochurim. Senior Rabbanim from all communities are expected to participate in this powerful show of solidarity.
A public declaration announcing the event appears in Wednesdays Yated Ne’eman and Hamodia. Organizers stress the importance of widespread attendance, urging the public to join in tefillah and demonstrate unwavering support for Torah learning and those standing firm in their convictions.
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Remember what Chazal said. In David Hamelech's time there was lots of Torah and tefillah. When they went to war, they suffered setbacks and casualties.
In Achav HaMelech's time there was no Torah and tefillah was to idols yet they won all their battles easily.
Why? Because in David's time society was divided. Machlokes. And Achava ran a socially cohesive kingdom where everyone got along.
So no, it's not Torah study that protects according to Chazal (who, I guess, are kofrim now?) but working together as a unified, caring society that protects.
@din this is such a shallow post. Hashem made a vast and complex system - there's many many different powerful tools - and they each have their purpose at different times. For example - all will agree that on Yom Kippur the proper avoidah/tool of the day is to daven , not to learn. Even though Torah is the "greatest" and most important etc. Similarly - when there is a communal decree or tzara against the Torah Jews - than the proper tool is to daven and make fast days. That's what Moshe did. That's also what mordechai did .That's what all the rabbis in the gemara did. Etc. Likewise right now - that's what us - the Torah Jews are doing. This is obvious to anyone with a brain or even with half a brain.
You , the ‘Torah Jews’. The hubris is staggering.
Sruly
"when there is a communal decree or tzara against the Torah Jews - then the proper tool is to daven and make fast days"
Enlisting in the IDF is a "communal decree?" How is that a "communal decree?"
Isn't that an obligation ... לא תעמוד על דם רעך?
So its ok for chilonim to do that mitzva, but it's not ok for a Shomer Torah Umotzvois?
?האחיכם יבוא למלחמה ואתם ישבו פה
I was in Kollel today and I saw children learning, Bali Batim learning and no government guy came in to stop us. Not one tried stopping us. I assume this happened throughout Israel, and I didn't read in the papers that anyone came to stop them. The Kollel guys were on tiulim since its Bein Hazmanim so they were nowhere to be found but in the evening last night I saw them daven MIncha and Maariv and they looked happy, and not one looked in the least bit worried that the government was going to stop them from learning!
What kind of "decree" is this that anyone in Israel who wishes can sit in learn unhindered?
Your analogy of Moshe and Mordechai and the Rabbis of the Talmud makes no sense!
Mordechai and the Jews of the time were physically threatened with death
In Israel, no one is being physically threatened.
In fact Haman never killed a single Jew! He just threatened them!
Yet that didn't stop the Jews from arming themselves and taking revenge killing first 500, excluding Haman's ten children, then in Shushan alone, 300 and throughout the kingdom,Jews killed 75,000. And that's without one single Jew harmed!
This is not a Medrish but written explicitly in the Megilla itself! It doesn't say anywhere that someone learning didn't take up arms!
On the contrary, there is a Medrish that Mordechai was a general in Achasveirous army and that's how he came to know Haman! Not in a Jewish Army that was defending Israel, but in a Persian army!
Moshe????
When Moshe went to war, he gave exemptions, but someone learning was not exempt!
"That's what all the rabbis in the gemara did. Etc. "
What did the rabbis do? ...
Tell me what they did?
In fact the Gemarrah says that R' Akiva had an army and actually thought that his general Bar Kochba was Moshiach for a while!
"Likewise, right now - that's what us - the Torah Jews are doing. "
The Torah Jews are doing??????"
Torah Jews since last week are at the beach or on water slides, some even went to the Zoo!
The real Torah Jews are on the front fighting in a Milcehemes Mitzva!
Except for the ASSkanim of the aged "Gedoilim" spewing propaganda, Jews in the State of Israel are free to learn Torah all day, no one is stopping them, and there is absolutely no danger to Torah Jews!
The opposite is true, the government of Israel allocated 800,000 shekels to Torah Institutions this year alone!
Your assertions are all based on outrageous half-truths and all lies!
@din
Yes it's a decree. There is absolutely no "mitzvah" to join the IDF. A "milchemes mitzvah" and "Torah Jewish army" is one that believes and knows that HASHEM is our ultimate strength and power and that HASHEM wins all wars for us his children , and we are simply His messenger's - not one that is TOTALLY kochi viotzem yadi. All the time the IDF talks about "their power and strength" and how amazing and successful they are. All them them them "they're power". It's disgusting. NOTHING absolutely nothing is "their power" - it's ALL HASHEM. And the moment they would project that and bring that to the forefront of Israel and the IDF - there would be unity between everyone - and yes once that would be in place - than yes it would be a "milchemes mitzvah" and a proper army for all Jews to join and be apart of. This is obvious
@Sruly aka Shani
First off, Your Gedoilim never called for a fast so they are not following your gemmaras that in an "eis zara" you must fast; obviously, they don't believe it is an "eis tzara"
Second of all, those in prison are learning, so the notion that it is a "gezirah against Torah" makes absolutely no sense, as the guys in prison themselves are learning; no one is stopping them!
Third of all, I see that you are not reading my answers and just write your "shtissim & havalim" not looking to learn just looking to lecture!
You are contradicting your Gadol, Rav Landau!
During a Mayoral campaign in Beit Shemesh against a "Shomeres Torah Umitzva" the ASSkanim dragged Rav Landau from Bnei-Brak to Beit Shemesh and he said that it was a "Milchemes Mitzvah" to vote for the clueless Greenbaum,(which turned out to be a disaster) ! So YOUR Gedoilim think that fighting the Arabs on October 7 is not a "Milchemes Mitzvah" but voting in a stupid election in Beit Shemesh, is a "Milchemes Mitzvah"
See how dumb that sounds!
Open a Tanach and you will see that the Armies of the Malchie Yisrael were by in large a bunch of Oivdei Avoda Zara! Yet nowhere did any Navie state that the war wasn't a "Milchemes Mitzvah"
So when you write
" A "milchemes mitzvah" and "Torah Jewish army" is one that believes and knows that HASHEM is our ultimate strength and power and that HASHEM wins all wars for us his children ,"
That contradicts 99.9% of Tanach!
And if its all Hashem, then why are they protesting?
Why don't they just accept thats its all from Hashem!
The establishment of the State of Israel was also from Hashem!!
Your notion that the army says that
it's "TOTALLY kochi viotzem yadi" well the satmar rebbe in his book "Al Hagilah" writes that the IDF was victorious in 1967 because they "were the best army in the world" .So they are just saying what the Satmar Rebbe said, so when the Satmar Rebbe says it, then its "Toras Emes" but when the IDF says those exact words then its "kefirah"
So Shani (the male that I identified yesterday as a girl)
You know what you are all? a bunch of hypocrites and ama-ratzim to boot!
Sruli
You piece of vile scum!
" There is absolutely no "mitzvah" to join the IDF.?"
Who is going to protect over 7 million Jews??
Arabs murdered and raped your sisters and chopped off the heads off babies, so there isn't a mitzvah to bi in the IDF? You sick dog!
I;ll bet if they raped Mothers and daughters in Bnei-Brak, then you would say it a mitzva!
You probably live in Lakewood ! Why do you have Shoimrim? Why are there cameras in your shuls?
Sick animals these charedim!
Hashem kills your people too ! Remember when an arab slaughtered Jews in Har Nof? Well now there is a contingent of IDF Soldiers there 24/7 !
So its still no mitzva?
Looks like you have a good life! wait you shmuck, your life is not over yet!
Sicko
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