You & Ner Yishmuel bum Dov Lipman hear what you want to hear. Rabbi Fischman said it might happen again in America. Not it will happen. Unless the Zionist rabbi bringing mekoir there no guarantee of safety in Israel either biz Moshiach tzidkeinee. Linker Lipman denounced by his own Rosh yeshiva Rav Aron Feldman by the way
Nothing like some resume padding to abet DIN’s Zionist agenda. Fischman was never more than the gabbai of Sfardishe Shul. Rabbi of implies he was the Ruv.
Ziggy Rav Aron Feldman is an anti-Israel hater! He is obsessed with the Zionists ! Also the fact that he denounced a Talmid shows he is lacking in Middos as well!
Yehoshua was also a "gabbai" and yet he became a leader of Klall Yisrael, the only leader that was never opposed while alive! The Sfardishe Shul had the Israeli Flag prominently displayed! His prediction BTW is coming true ! I wonder where you will run to when they round you up?
Currently the only one rounding up jews is the State Of Israel illegally rounding up yeshiva boys and forcing them into the army like the Czar did to the Cantonists
10:37 Hey sicko! The State of Israel is not "illegally rounding up yeshiva boys" Yeshiva boys should get off their fat tuchis' and fight to protect their families! This is our country, this isn't the Czar this isn't Russia, this is our home given to us by the RBSH"O They take benefits, they need to enlist! Otherwise, they should move to Ramallah! Ramallah is also Eretz Yisrael! Dati Leumi learn just as much Torah as the Chareidie "leidegeiers" they need to get off their lazy asses and enlist! This is a Milchemes Mitzvah and even a Chassan fights, even a Levi fights! Tell your "cantonists" that the party is over, the people are fed up with the parasites, and they will enlist or lose their driving privileges and won't be able to leave the country!
Forget all the Hock I grew up davening in the Sefardishe Shul Reb Yossel was a survivor and a Taiyere Yid as well as a big Talmud Chochom his father was the Gabei By Reb Shayele Kersetir who was supposed to be Reb Yossel sandak but was away when he returned he then promised Reb Yossels father that the boy would have arichas yomim, wealth and to become a Talmid Chochom Reb Yossel used to say that it was Reb Shayala bracha that got him thru the Holocaust
He did? He didn't even believe that the first one would ever come? In fact he told his community that Hitler will never come to Hungary, Esther Farbstein documents this in her book!..You are confusing the Satmar Ruv with Binyamin Zev Jabatibski who went from town to town in Hungary and Romania, warning that Hitler was going to murder all Jews!
DIN, apparently you are not familiar with the history of your own country. That is your problem, not mine.
Conscripting yeshiva boys is illegal under Israel's own law. And here's why:
When the state was being formed Ben Gurion needed Agudah’s cooperation in ratifying his new state. This was because the ultra-Orthodox had the power to derail the whole thing, and although they had little appetite for such a fight they geared up to do so nevertheless; there was too much at stake.
So Ben Gurion and Agudah hammered out an agreement called the Status Quo, an agreement built on trust, which would exempt the ultra-Orthodox from army service (as well as recognizing Shabbos and some other religious demands) without being explicitly written into law, and Agudah signed the founding documents (Itche M. Levin was the representative). So basically the military exemption for yeshiva boys is enshrined in the very constitution of the state.
The state is now violating that trust.
As for the rest of your drivel, this is as much a Milchemes Mitzvah as the Mexican-American War. The secular political state of Israel is not the religiously sanctioned country mandated by the Torah.
(It's also quite cynical of Israel which always trampled on mitzvos to suddenly invoke mitzvos when it serves their purposes).
Dov Lipman is a very sick man by any measure . EVEN IF he was right in his opinions (he is not, but even if) it takes a very sick Judas to betray his former friends and community by going over to the other side and working against them. Such behavior is reminiscent of the kapos and Judenraats .
I know that if I would go off the derech I would not become an open foe of my family and friends.
This is why the attention seeker Dov Lipman lasted for about five minutes in Israeli politics before being lampooned off stage by his secular buddies.
Rewriting history never ends well, because the facts don't lie! Ben Gurion needed the Aguda like we all need another hole in the head. It was the Aguda headed by R' Itche Meir Levine z"l that wanted to make sure that the government wasn't totally secular and the Gerer Rebbe wanted to have an influence! Ben-Gurion didn't have to be influenced in any way because the deal, which is well documented, was for 500 Yeshiva bochrim not 65,000! There was no "hammering out agreements" All the documents are now public and you can see that just like I can see! Even if it is illegal according to Israeli Law, the Charediem are not "goyris" Israeli Law! So, whether its "legal" or "illegal" is irrelevant because al pi Torah A Guy learning Torah has to shut his gemarrah when it is a "milchemes Mitzvah" just like Rav Dov Landau ruled that one must shut his gemarrah to vote in a local election in Bais Shemesh because it is a "milchemes mitzvah" They need to get off their fat asses and enlist!
This post isn't about Dov its about RABBI Fischman z"l, Dov is not in the Knesset for very different reasons, he wasn't "lampooned off stage by his secular buddies." My mother a"h would say "its better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, then to speak up and remove all doubt" Its a good lesson for you!
Sorry dear DIN it's you again who is basically revising.
BenGurion deeply understood that unless he managed to incorporate formal representation from the overtly pious traditional leadership within his embryonic commonwealth his emerging format/state would never go anywhere.He went over the heads of zionist Mizrachi who for all their ardor & masses of supporters, when push came to shove, just wouldn't count enough for something so cosmic even possibly for their own card carrying membership, interestingly. Since unless he could show off a concordat, the nascent state would never & could never receive full throated acceptance he needed for it to culturally predominate amongst the amcha or even for it to survive. BenGurion grasped that the diasporic zionist support he wished for was embedded on a bedrock of semi-mystical &/or subrosa religious attachment for Jewish myriads, even while/if those myriads were personally mechallei shabbos
Iirc Much of the Agudah [Itchie Meir & coterie aside] weren't very satisfied accepting what amounted to a sort of faustian deal
You’ve got it backward. Because he’s such a Huge Loser the Only place Rav Elyashev could recommend is the Zionist Rabbanut! Even Failed Shmatta admitted this which he of course then used to bash Charedim regardless
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You & Ner Yishmuel bum Dov Lipman hear what you want to hear. Rabbi Fischman said it might happen again in America. Not it will happen. Unless the Zionist rabbi bringing mekoir there no guarantee of safety in Israel either biz Moshiach tzidkeinee. Linker Lipman denounced by his own Rosh yeshiva Rav Aron Feldman by the way
Nothing like some resume padding to abet DIN’s Zionist agenda. Fischman was never more than the gabbai of Sfardishe Shul. Rabbi of implies he was the Ruv.
Ziggy
Rav Aron Feldman is an anti-Israel hater! He is obsessed with the Zionists ! Also the fact that he denounced a Talmid shows he is lacking in Middos as well!
Yehoshua was also a "gabbai" and yet he became a leader of Klall Yisrael, the only leader that was never opposed while alive!
The Sfardishe Shul had the Israeli Flag prominently displayed!
His prediction BTW is coming true !
I wonder where you will run to when they round you up?
Currently the only one rounding up jews is the State Of Israel illegally rounding up yeshiva boys and forcing them into the army like the Czar did to the
Cantonists
10:37
Hey sicko!
The State of Israel is not "illegally rounding up yeshiva boys" Yeshiva boys should get off their fat tuchis' and fight to protect their families! This is our country, this isn't the Czar this isn't Russia, this is our home given to us by the RBSH"O
They take benefits, they need to enlist! Otherwise, they should move to Ramallah! Ramallah is also Eretz Yisrael!
Dati Leumi learn just as much Torah as the Chareidie "leidegeiers" they need to get off their lazy asses and enlist!
This is a Milchemes Mitzvah and even a Chassan fights, even a Levi fights!
Tell your "cantonists" that the party is over, the people are fed up with the parasites, and they will enlist or lose their driving privileges and won't be able to leave the country!
Derveil, DIN still refusing to give any credit to Satmar Ruv zya who also said Holocaust will happen again
Forget all the Hock I grew up davening in the Sefardishe Shul Reb Yossel was a survivor and a Taiyere Yid as well as a big Talmud Chochom his father was the Gabei By Reb Shayele Kersetir who was supposed to be Reb Yossel sandak but was away when he returned he then promised Reb Yossels father that the boy would have arichas yomim, wealth and to become a Talmid Chochom Reb Yossel used to say that it was Reb Shayala bracha that got him thru the Holocaust
He did? He didn't even believe that the first one would ever come? In fact he told his community that Hitler will never come to Hungary, Esther Farbstein documents this in her book!..You are confusing the Satmar Ruv with Binyamin Zev Jabatibski who went from town to town in Hungary and Romania, warning that Hitler was going to murder all Jews!
The fact is that it doesn't really matter whether R' Yoisef was a "Rabbi" or not, he was a Holocaust survivor and his prediction is spot on!
Rav Feldman have responsibility to criticize talmid behaving bad. Only in DIN rule book a Zionist like Lipman get free pass no matter what he do
Who cares if Sfardishe Shul flies the Zionist flag? It's part of the Young Israel movement
Reply to DIN 10:37
DIN, apparently you are not familiar with the history of your own country. That is your problem, not mine.
Conscripting yeshiva boys is illegal under Israel's own law. And here's why:
When the state was being formed Ben Gurion needed Agudah’s cooperation in ratifying his new state. This was because the ultra-Orthodox had the power to derail the whole thing, and although they had little appetite for such a fight they geared up to do so nevertheless; there was too much at stake.
So Ben Gurion and Agudah hammered out an agreement called the Status Quo, an agreement built on trust, which would exempt the ultra-Orthodox from army service (as well as recognizing Shabbos and some other religious demands) without being explicitly written into law, and Agudah signed the founding documents (Itche M. Levin was the representative). So basically the military exemption for yeshiva boys is enshrined in the very constitution of the state.
The state is now violating that trust.
As for the rest of your drivel, this is as much a Milchemes Mitzvah as the Mexican-American War. The secular political state of Israel is not the religiously sanctioned country mandated by the Torah.
(It's also quite cynical of Israel which always trampled on mitzvos to suddenly invoke mitzvos when it serves their purposes).
Dov Lipman is a very sick man by any measure . EVEN IF he was right in his opinions (he is not, but even if) it takes a very sick Judas to betray his former friends and community by going over to the other side and working against them. Such behavior is reminiscent of the kapos and Judenraats .
I know that if I would go off the derech I would not become an open foe of my family and friends.
This is why the attention seeker Dov Lipman lasted for about five minutes in Israeli politics before being lampooned off stage by his secular buddies.
Rewriting history never ends well, because the facts don't lie!
Ben Gurion needed the Aguda like we all need another hole in the head. It was the Aguda headed by R' Itche Meir Levine z"l that wanted to make sure that the government wasn't totally secular and the Gerer Rebbe wanted to have an influence!
Ben-Gurion didn't have to be influenced in any way because the deal, which is well documented, was for 500 Yeshiva bochrim not 65,000! There was no "hammering out agreements" All the documents are now public and you can see that just like I can see!
Even if it is illegal according to Israeli Law, the Charediem are not "goyris" Israeli Law! So, whether its "legal" or "illegal" is irrelevant because al pi Torah A Guy learning Torah has to shut his gemarrah when it is a "milchemes Mitzvah" just like Rav Dov Landau ruled that one must shut his gemarrah to vote in a local election in Bais Shemesh because it is a "milchemes mitzvah"
They need to get off their fat asses and enlist!
This post isn't about Dov its about RABBI Fischman z"l, Dov is not in the Knesset for very different reasons, he wasn't "lampooned off stage by his secular buddies."
My mother a"h would say
"its better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, then to speak up and remove all doubt"
Its a good lesson for you!
Sorry dear DIN it's you again who is basically revising.
BenGurion deeply understood that unless he managed to incorporate formal representation from the overtly pious traditional leadership within his embryonic commonwealth his emerging format/state would never go anywhere.He went over the heads of zionist Mizrachi who for all their ardor & masses of supporters, when push came to shove, just wouldn't count enough for something so cosmic even possibly for their own card carrying membership, interestingly.
Since unless he could show off a concordat, the nascent state would never & could never receive full throated acceptance he needed for it to culturally predominate amongst the amcha or even for it to survive.
BenGurion grasped that the diasporic zionist support he wished for was embedded on a bedrock of semi-mystical &/or subrosa religious attachment for Jewish myriads, even while/if those myriads were personally mechallei shabbos
Iirc Much of the Agudah [Itchie Meir & coterie aside] weren't very satisfied accepting what amounted to a sort of faustian deal
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h15ptxzqje
DIN is sure proud of rabbis who are in favor of waving the Zionist flag
Mizracheeeest
Turns out that this crook was a good friend of Rav Eliyashiv z"l who
encouraged him to run!
Y Cohen 6:39
The deal was for 500 Bochrim that's it!
You’ve got it backward. Because he’s such a Huge Loser the Only place Rav Elyashev could recommend is the Zionist Rabbanut! Even Failed Shmatta admitted this which he of course then used to bash Charedim regardless
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