The fact is there are many many frum parents that only know what’s really going on from the chareidi publications so if there’s nothing in there about protection of their children ? From the Rabbonim in their shuls ? They won’t talk about it, so from where
Firsty: jeffry epstein was sociaty at large's problem, not ours
Chaim walder was our's and we elevated him by have Rabanim and the mayor of bnei barak benk him masped, the Rav Harushi came to his Shivah
THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!! this is a HUGE Chilul Hashem and an erosion of Daas Torah.
secondly: by have our pages beshmirched by elevating a rasha and deluding ourselves that they are clean by refraining to mention that Walder was a problem we actually defiled our children and destroyed hundreds, thousands neshamos by Walder, Meshi Zahav, Weberman, Leifer, Grynous and many more.
end results: 1) our community is being correctly besmirched and painted as pro rape and anti victim, 2) all other pedophiles out there are getting the message that its "business as usual" and continue to wreak horror, of course in secret so whats the problem..!!! according to Ezra..
3) in the end it will inevitably come out and already HAS come out and already blew up in or faces with more publicity and scandal than it ever would have had we taken care of it years ago.
Stupidity at its best, Dum as Chelem. prehaps you can call it Daas Torah, oh.. yeas that too, the death of Daas Torah - a self inflicted wound trough stupit desisions
The reason we don't apply the Halachos of מאבד עצמו לדעת today is based on a ברכי יוסף and we assume it wasn't done with דעת. We assume that those who commit suicide were mentally ill at the time they acted and can't be blamed.
However, we can't ignore a whole Siman (chapter) in Shulchan Aruch re the Halachos of dealing with a person who takes his life. It must be that there is a time when we don't assume the person to be mentally ill and the Halachos are applicable.
Perhaps, when a Gadol & renowned Posek**says on an individual, “What made things very clear was the suicide note. This was not a depressed person writing a note. This was narcissism at its best, this was manipulative, this was a person preparing to commit a violent crime, murder, and the victims…all of us, [he intended that] we should all feel guilty for his death. I think to any level-headed human being who has any sensitivity to human beings and a bit of nuance–it’s obvious.” then it would be in order to apply the Halachos of מאבד עצמו לדעת even if the only עבירה he was ever עובר was suicide.
1) The חכמת אדם writes there is no greater עבירה than committing suicide. It is considered like killing a whole world.
2) The חתם סופר writes he is עובר on שפיכת דמים one of the ג' עבירות In addition for every Yid even Reshaim מיתה מכפרת except for him.
3) The ערוך השלחן writes If we know for sure that he wasn't mentally ill even ר"ע would admit that we may curse and shame him. (לשון הרע)
He actually did mention his family and thanked Hashem for them and their support in his suicide letter.He may have left them a private letter. I think he has enough on his plate without adding more
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The fact is there are many many frum parents that only know what’s really going on from the chareidi publications so if there’s nothing in there about protection of their children ? From the Rabbonim in their shuls ? They won’t talk about it, so from where
Firsty:
jeffry epstein was sociaty at large's problem, not ours
Chaim walder was our's and we elevated him by have Rabanim and the mayor of bnei barak benk him masped, the Rav Harushi came to his Shivah
THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!! this is a HUGE Chilul Hashem and an erosion of Daas Torah.
secondly: by have our pages beshmirched by elevating a rasha and deluding ourselves that they are clean by refraining to mention that Walder was a problem we actually defiled our children and destroyed hundreds, thousands neshamos by Walder, Meshi Zahav, Weberman, Leifer, Grynous and many more.
end results:
1) our community is being correctly besmirched and painted as pro rape and anti victim,
2) all other pedophiles out there are getting the message that its "business as usual" and continue to wreak horror, of course in secret so whats the problem..!!! according to Ezra..
3) in the end it will inevitably come out and already HAS come out and already blew up in or faces with more publicity and scandal than it ever would have had we taken care of it years ago.
Stupidity at its best, Dum as Chelem. prehaps you can call it Daas Torah, oh.. yeas that too, the death of Daas Torah - a self inflicted wound trough stupit desisions
"Not one word for his wife and kids in his letter"...
Maybe he wrote them a separate letter ? Just asking.
Who taught him how to spell?
There?????
EVEN A צדיק WHO COMMITS SUICIDE
The reason we don't apply the Halachos of מאבד עצמו לדעת today
is based on a ברכי יוסף and we assume it wasn't done with דעת.
We assume that those who commit suicide were mentally ill at
the time they acted and can't be blamed.
However, we can't ignore a whole Siman (chapter) in Shulchan Aruch
re the Halachos of dealing with a person who takes his life. It must be that there is a time when we don't assume the person to be mentally ill and the Halachos are applicable.
Perhaps, when a Gadol & renowned Posek**says on an individual,
“What made things very clear was the suicide note. This was not a depressed person writing a note. This was narcissism at its best, this was manipulative, this was a person preparing to commit a violent crime, murder, and the victims…all of us, [he intended that] we should all feel guilty for his death. I think to any level-headed human being who has any sensitivity to human beings and a bit of nuance–it’s obvious.”
then it would be in order to apply the Halachos of מאבד עצמו לדעת even if the only עבירה he was ever עובר was suicide.
1) The חכמת אדם writes there is no greater עבירה than committing suicide. It is considered like killing a whole world.
2) The חתם סופר writes he is עובר on שפיכת דמים one of the ג' עבירות
In addition for every Yid even Reshaim מיתה מכפרת except for him.
3) The ערוך השלחן writes If we know for sure that he wasn't mentally ill even ר"ע would admit that we may curse and shame him. (לשון הרע)
He actually did mention his family and thanked Hashem for them and their support in his suicide letter.He may have left them a private letter.
I think he has enough on his plate without adding more
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