The Chassidim constantly bar
"Tznias... Tznias.... ..
They yell "shiksah" "shiksah" ...Zoineh" Zoineh
But when it comes to themselves they are shameless...
Chassidim were always cautious to make sure that even if the Chasson danced with the Kalleh, it would be in a very modest way .... Even close family members wouldn't dance in a circle with men ..l
Let me tell you guys ...all bets are off ...
If they ever talk to you about Tznias ...show them these videos that are now basically the norm
The Chassidim constantly bar
"Tznias... Tznias.... ..
They yell "shiksah" "shiksah" ...Zoineh" Zoineh
But when it comes to themselves they are shameless...
Chassidim were always cautious to make sure that even if the Chasson danced with the Kalleh, it would be in a very modest way .... Even close family members wouldn't dance in a circle with men ..l
Let me tell you guys ...all bets are off ...
If they ever talk to you about Tznias ...show them these videos that are now basically the norm
35 comments:
Well i would catagorize theese hassidim as mutated hassidim not the real hassidim :)
This is not a regular Hasidic wedding.
this chosen who was kicked out from lev tohor helbrans you can't expect too much more from him. If you don't fit in the cult the way they want you to be they disconnect you from everybody and their family and you wind up being on the street and thank God the chosen is still Jewish.about the Kallah what can you expect from her if she was dating a boy from helbrans.
so dus is nies don't compare this to regular nice Jewish Wedding specially a Hasidic wedding which is so warm and special.
Next time before you run your articles find out the background why is it that way is it the regular family or it's not be more cautious thank you
Oh come on! That's not the norm.
It's weird. That's why there's a video of it.
What's so terrible? Think it's nice for a chosen to publicly show real human affection for his new kallah by dancing 'properly' with her. Much better than the wooden-like ritual kallah tanz with her holding the end of a long cord, both yards apart. May even start a new trend towards normality.
Don't see anything wrong with a CHASAN and KALAH dancing in a loving way,for heavens sake! she is his wife,what is NOT NORMAL and completely sick and deranged,is husband and wife not walking together on the street as practiced by the insane Gerrer's.
Oh my, of my. The kallah appears to be haveing a good time. The chosen appears to be enchanted by the kallah. No one appears to be salivating for a sexual encounter after watching the married lovebirds exhibiting their affection for each other. Who knows where this might lead? To full facial pictures of tzniusdike women maybe?
Sorry you got it wrong this article is an exception to the rule.......Not the norm... Please don't distort a beautiful minhag that has been done for ages thru a few rotten apples ......
Let there continue to be Simchas in the Yiddishe world with kedushah
I think this is good. It's more relaxed, and everyone isn't trying to impress everyone else with how "frum" they are. I went to a non chassidic wedding for a cousin a few years ago. They had a mechitzah that would have kept out a Soviet Tank Brigade and it extended all the way down to the choson/kallah tisch, went through the middle of the table and separated the chosson and kallah. It was more like an Iranian prison than a wedding. Everything was VERY FRUM and not fun.
The Mitzvah Tanz is meant to be a representaion of the dance that tzaddikim are destined to perform before the Shkhina, may we merit to witness that time. the kallah is in this representaion, a stand-in in for the Shkhinah, so to speak. The one poarticipating in this dance should imagine himself as standing before the Glory of Hashem. He should therefore be filled with the awe and terror of the moment. The feeling should be similar to tfilas Ne-ilah on Yom Kippur. This is why the dance had been in the past, preceded with copious tears and the donating of Tzedakkah . It was a time when tzadikim could be empowered to effect benificence for Klal Yisroel.
Sadly, very sadly, this sacred event has become so seriously profaned as to be a depraved parody of what it ought to be. In some instances it is a vulgar display of physical affection which in accordance to Jewish tradition should be conducted only in total privacy.
One wonders whether the Rabbi in the final clip presented is'nt wrong after all. Perhaps this once awe-inspiring custom ought to be abolished, in light of the perversion it has become.
cyrano 11:03 AM,
So celebrating the wedding with a dance in front of the kallah is like a holy dance in front of the Shechina? Which dance will you perform during the “the sacred event” before Hashem? The Tango, Mambo or the monkey dance? Or maybe it’s the Monster Mash?
Actually the source for the “Mitzvah Tantz” is ”kaytzad merakdim lifnei hakallah "how does one dance before the bride?" , in Talmud Ketubot.? Construing the Mitzvah Tanz as a sacred dance in front of the shechina is a screwy kabbalistic attempt to sanitize a joyous occasion into a twisted apologetic for a little fun at a wedding. Leave it to twisted minds to formulate twisted tall tales.
B"H
Abe, maybe there are different things behind it...
Abe 12:45 PM
The source for the “Mitzvah Tantz” is indeed ”kaytzad merakdim lifnei hakallah "how does one dance before the bride?", in Talmud Ketubot. However, is the Talmud referring to a terrestrial kallah, or to the celestial Kallah? On the same page in the Talmud the narrative is presented that Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitchock was rewarded for his dance with a heavenly fire surrounding his bier. Do you think the Talmud might be engaging in "screwy kabbalisitic" hypberbole?
Anonymous 3:13 PM,
A terrestrial or celestial bride? What is a celestial bride? Who knows? But the Talmud is nowhere referring to Hashem with that appellation.
Rav Shmuel’s wild dance with 3 myrtle branches was deemed an acceptable performance and not to be considered inappropriate. That’s why a heavenly flame was deposited at his funeral. No mention of dancing before the “Shechina” or other screwy kabbalistic hyperbole. Anything else you or your saintly Mekubalim want to conjure up out of thin air?
AishKodesh 2:58PM,
Like What? An insufferable itch in his gotchkes, maybe?
Abe 7:59 PM
But the Zohar, which predates the Gemorah portion of the Talmud does refer to the Shkhinah as The Bride. And the Gemorah also tells of Amoroim who created a fatted calf through implementing Sefer Hayitzirah. Further, the Talmud also mentions those who flew through the air by utlilizing incantations. Why then would it be so far-fetched to suggest that Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchock entertained lofty thoughts while engaging in a mundane activity. The Talmud does not provide any infornmation regarding Rav Shmuel's familial relationship with this particular bride. What could be the reason for this ecstatic display at this wedding?
The Talmud is relplete with allegorical Agadoth. Why must this segment be interpreted literally?
Cyrano 10:22 AM,
Your characterization of Talmud Ketubot as an allegorical dance before the shechina is as fictitious and contorted as the gospel of the Zohar.
Why would it be far fetched to suggest that Rav Yitzchok was dancing before the Shechina? Because The supernatural events described in the agadata notwithstanding, the Ketubot Talmud mentions nothing about a Shechina, dancing before the Shechina or any other rapturous promenade. Just scream “allegorical” and the Shechina interpretation must be true.
You and your dizzy mekubalim just make up stuff to make it fit with your chimerical mumbo jumbo.
B"H
I don't know, Abe. I am not any kind of Chacham...
Also, Kabbalah is not anything made up or crazy. It is just so deep that only certain people understand it. Of course I am not one of them, really...
Kol Tuv all!
AishKodesh 2:29 PM,
You’re no kind of Chatham? Who knew?
Regarding Kabbalah, I’m one of those people who understand it. You can understand it too. Just do a google search on Zohar and Moses de Leon.
"Kabbalah is not anything made up or crazy. It is just so deep that only certain people understand it."
Hahahaha!
Man, have I got a beautiful suit for you! Woven only for the highest of royalty from extremely rare threads (whose name may not be uttered)! These clothes are so refined that only the most sophisticated people can see them. Yet, they are invisible to those who are unfit for their positions, stupid fools, or incompetent.
It's said that one who wears these garments while studying the holy, mystical writings of the Zohar will become enveloped in the emanating light cast by the book's holy black ink (also invisible to fools). Wearing the garments while studying mysticism removes the 'mystical' by replacing it with full understanding. Yet, when the garments are removed (assuming you change your clothing and have proper hygiene) the knowledge is also removed. Thus allowing one to once again have a precious 'mystical' teaching that is once again out of reach, and returning them to the condition of being an acceptable ignoramus. Basically what this means is that you can have your woo-woo, and eat it too.
I've enclosed a picture of these fascinating garments below:
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Have you ever seen anything so remarkable!?
Of course not! Their beauty lays you back in your chair because you have the vision that no common learner or layman can even dream of!
How satisfying it must be to know that you are so special and have extraordinary vision, bestowed only upon those who are worthy of approaching the holy Kabbalah!
B"H
Abe, a lot of people... :)
No offense, but I don't know if you quite do understand it and certainly I don't. It is really very deep -- deeper than any Google.
AishKodesh 6:06 PM,
Simply because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean I don’t. And how do you know that one who claims to understand it, actually does? I claim to understand it. How will you prove that I don’t? As for Google, you appear mortified of the knowledge it might impart to you.
There’s only one thing really deeper than Google —— your willful ignorance. What a klutz.
B"H
Mr. C_D, I don't quite get it...
B"H
Abe, alright, I can't promise you aren't a Mekubal.
I am not mortified. I have used Google. But Torah knowledge is always much deeper and greater because it is from Hashem.
Abe 12:30 PM
You write, "Your characterization of Talmud Ketubot as an allegorical dance before the shechina is as fictitious and contorted as the gospel of the Zohar".
I'm not sure I understand. Are you suggesting that the Zohar is fictitious and contorted or are you merely challenging my characterization of this particular Talmudic Agadah as an allegory?
Aish,
It's just a satirical comment based on your Kabbalah claim and borrowing from the fairy tale "The Emperor's New Clothes."
Kabbalah today is more often a kiruv hook than some deep, enlightening study in Judaism. Chabad sells that crap hard and yet never really teaches anything deep (unless the cu$tomer interprets it that way). The Kabbalah Center cult offers the same product.
Really, the hook is that people are fascinated with "magic." And the truth is that modern scientific study of the nature of consciousness is just as fascinating, mysical, and interesting (actually more so), than some primitive magic book of dubious authorship.
It amuses me that when our local Chabad rabbis were asked why they wear beards and never shave them, that the reply is invariably "it's a Kabbalistic thing." End of explanation. "It's a Kabbalistic thing." I've witnessed it more than a couple of times, and I'm sure they have no better explanation than that. Fact is, they likely don't know anything beyond that. It's merely what they're expected to do and what they were taught. There is nothing "magical" about maintaining facial hair. The only thing mystical about it is that it conceals the criminal's faces.
Anyway, you may find the wiki entry on the Zohar interesting. Though it may challenge some of the beliefs you've accepted as truth without any proof:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar
Cyrano 12:05 PM,
Both, actually.
B"H
Mr. C_D, Kabbalah today is the same as it always was. Although perhaps more people try to study and understand it, which leads to misunderstandings. But it's still the same. And we do have real Mekubalim.
Anyway, having a beard as far as i know is basically just from the Torah... But i don't know much, so there could be things in Kabbalah about it.
Kol Tuv!
AishKodesh,
"Kabbalah today is the same as it always was."
You mean it was always a cheap kiruv hook intended to snag potential donors with "mysticism?"
"And we do have real Mekubalim."
Who serve humanity how exactly? Are good for what exactly?
Then you aint the brightest bulb in the pack, Abe.
B"H
Mr C_D, No. Kabbalah itself remains unchanged. I don't know about the interpretations...
In many ways do the Mekubalim serve humanity! Have you ever heard of the Chalban, for example? If not, you probably should check him up...
I'll do a bit of research on your Kabbalist, Chalban.
In the news today (via FrumWatch) is another:
*Kabbalist rapes girl in synagogue, sentenced to 8 years*
Yeshayahu Rizkak, a community rabbi in Bnei Brak, raped a 17 year old girl 3 times and molested her another 4 times. He told her "It's Heaven's will that we should live together". Today he was sentenced to serve 8 years: "His conduct was marked by guile and deceit."
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5115114,00.html
Needless to say, I'm not especially sold on the virtues of Kabbalah and its practitioners.
AisKodesh 11:14 AM,
Whaddya know! A Jewish Psychic. At a young age he became aware of his psychic powers. Even the great Miss Cleo was unaware of her clairvoyance until she reached age 33 and was tapped by The Psychic Network to delude the gullible. The Chalaban achieved this distinction at only age 10. Truly remarkable. You really have to question the coherence of people who fall for this crap.
https://www.vosizneias.com/44266/2009/12/03/jerusalem-the-chalban-reveals-how-he-became-a-mekubal-talks-about-iran-obama-and-shalit/
B"H
Shalom Aleichem everyone: Today I spoke to a big Posek about being on this blog, and he basically told me to stop coming here.
So I guess I'll real quickly wish everyone here fairwell, and please, please, be careful what you say and how you act. I must. We all must.
I probably will miss you guys a bit, and I would really love if you could keep in contact, either on my blog or via email at aishkodesh611@gmail.com.
Anyway, I wish you all and your families wonderful lives full of Avodas Hashem and Simcha, which go hand in hand, and a great Rosh Chodesh, Shabbos, Adar, Purim, etc.! Mi shenichnisu b'Adar marbin b'Simcha!
Kol Tuv, my dear friends!
Refoel Berel Hakatan
Abe February 14, 1:50 PM
You write "Both, actually.", meaning you consider both my characterization as well as the Zohar itself to be "fictitious and contorted".
Rabbi Yitchock Luria (the ARI"L), Rabbi Moshe Cordevori, Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzato (the RAMCHA"L, author of the classic book on Ethics, Mesilas Yeshorim), and Rabbi Eliyahu, the Gaon of Vilna, all authored commentaries on the Zohar. Is it your position that their books are "fictitious and contorted" as well?
Cyrano 1:06 PM,
So these well regarded Rabbeim authored commentaries on The Zohar. So What. The blind following the blind so to speak. The Zohar has been codified into settled Halacha. That doesn’t make it a product of RASHBI. If you want to believe that a Sefer mysteriously appeared in the 13th century and said to be authored by RASHBI, go ahead. There is no mention of Zohar before that time. Read this for compelling discussion of the Zohar’s spurious authorship.
http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2010/10/you-dont-mess-with-zohar.html?m=1
https://www.uncensoredjudaism.com/en
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