Tonight and tomorrow on Yom HaShoah, we at DIN remember the 6 million Jews who were brutally murdered during the Holocaust.
*Especially now, as antisemitism is once again rearing its ugly head, I believe that regardless of whether one agrees with designating a specific day for Holocaust remembrance, as opposed to honoring the Kedoshim every single day, we can all take a moment to pause, to reflect, and to remember the holy Neshamos who were murdered solely for being Jewish.
Say a kapitel tehillim that you otherwise wouldn’t say. Maybe refrain from that conversation during Chazaras HaShatz.
Do something L’iluy Nishmasam.*
My suggestion years ago was to declare a taanis dibbur on this day.
ReplyDeleteWe cannot openly mourn because it's Nissan.
Yom HaShoah celebrations in Golus are generally non-religious and violate Sefira by bringing in the local Hebrew school choir to sing songs. God is rarely mentioned. It's a joke.
But one of our biggest problems is our inability to interact in a civil manner with one another. A proper mourning for that would be a taanis dibbur in which each person, cut off from speech, must spend the day in introspection as to how our tongues have caused us so much distress.
The time for this is Tisha B’Uv. Tzionim don’t care that divrei hespid are assur in Choidesh Nissan
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ReplyDeleteIn front of Satmar yeshiva that used to be Margo’s Torah Temimah. She is apparently SY or married into Flatbush SY Cohens with Lakewood connections
Yoeli
ReplyDeleteThe Tzionim follow the Chareidim, I was at a Chareidie Levayeh today at Har Hamnuchot today and had to listen to 2 1/2 hours of hespidim! All the "gedoilim" that were maspid said, "The Shulchan Aruch States that it is prohibited to be maspid in Nissan .... but..... but...but! "
Bunch of hypocrites!
And who said that the time for this should be on Tisha Be'ov?????
I remember growing up where many Gedoilim were very upset that they didn't set a special day for the Holocaust!
But I happen to know the reason why!
Shhhhhhhh! Don't tell anyone! Shhhhhhhh!
The Litvishe Gedoilim like R' Aaron Kotler z"l and Rav Moshe Feinstein z'l and Rav Henkin z"l were all in the USA with their families intact during the Holocaust, so it wasn't a priority.
The Chassidishe Rebbes had very little following, most of their followers were murdered, and immediately after the war, they barely had a minyan and had no influence! The Satmar Rebbe, except for celebrating his own escape (with the help of the Zionists) could care less about anyone else!
Finally The Bobover Rebbe who lost 90% of the followers, composed a Kinna, after Rav Schwab made one. Rav Schwab escaped after Kristallnacht and didn't experience the Holocaust either!
Why don't you open Mesactas Taanis where it clearly states that they used to designate special days, including fast days for the Tzaris that they experienced! They didn't wait until Tisha Be'ov and those tragedies were minuscule compared to the Holocaust!!!!
Now because they didn't do a damn thing then, they scream, bark and yell that the Zionists established a special day!
"Oh its Nissan!" "Oh it sefira" "Oh my tuchis itches" OY!!!
The Halacha of not making Haspeidim in Nissan, which the Chareidim themselves ignore when it suits them ,was written way before the greatest tragedy in the entire Jewish History took place! In fact most of Hungarian Jews were murdered precisely in NIssan, Iyur and Sivan, and I remember as a child that survivors were making Hespidim for their wives, children and parents in Nissan that were gassed in the Holocaust all the time!
I was giving a shiur during the Siren today, and stood up and waited the 2 minutes out of respect to my two half-brothers and grandparents who were murdered!
I am sick of this crap ..."oh it Nissan!!! " Shut the Hell up!!
DIN
DeleteWhere does this "2 minutes out of respect" minhag come from ?…
From the Greeks ? From the Romans ? Or maybe from the very civilisation that murdered half of us ?
I've always been told to learn Mishnayos leiluy nishmas tzadikim ukedoshim, parents, etc.
We should remember that the original proposal for Yom HaShoah was 10 Teves but the religious community never picked it up so it was abandoned.
DeleteActually the first Likud PM also agreed Yom Hashoah wasn't really right
Delete"The Pnei Menachem once told me that he did not understand the reference to the kedoishei hashoah. The word 'shoah' in Tanach, he said, is used to refer to reshaim, not Tzadikim.
ReplyDeleteHe prefered to refer to the six million kedoshei ha'akeida !"
- Rav Ysroel Meir Lau, in remarks to a group of travelers passing through Poland en route to Eretz Ysroel.
Zako
ReplyDeleteIt comes from the same minhag of eating Shlissel Challa, someone made it up!
Vee lang until you sink all the way matta matta to say that the Toirah alein is kaviyuchel "made up" by mentchen?
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ReplyDeleteYou are saying "Actually the first Likud PM also agreed Yom Hashoah wasn't really right"
Menachem Begin was against Yom Hashoah? What a bunch of crappola!
And Luu Yetzia he was, who gives a flying crap?
What kind of human is against a day of remembering the 6 million? How sick and perverse are the Chareidim to be against a designated day?
They the Chareidim missed the boat by not making a special day, and they missed the boat by not supporting the State!
shows that they are clueless and totally disconnected!
To Minhag Yisrael
Saying that "Shlissel Challag" was made up is like saying "Torah
is made up?" Crazy stuff!
It is for this precise reasoning that these made-up minhagim should be eliminated! It should be discarded because of your reasoning, "if I deny that a challah with a key inside is Teirah, then I'm denying Torah is min hashamayim" Cooooook coo!
Simple, DIN.Not everybody is as vacuous as that.
ReplyDelete"What kind of human is against"?
Weighty people whose innards beat with the destiny of our people.That every tragedy, bar none, are a continuation of our near eternal derailment-exuded by our omnipresent Tisha B'av
Cohen
ReplyDelete"Weighty people whose innards beat with the destiny of our people," would enlist in the army to help fight those who want to kill us
?האחיכם יבוא למלחמה ואתם ישבו פה
The Kloizinberger Rebbe who lost a wife and eleven children said that the "Shoah" was the biggest tragedy to have befallen the Jewish people in its entire history! He added that it was bigger and far more tragic than the destruction of both Temples combined! If you open Mesactas Taaanis you will clearly see that Jews made special days for tragedies far far less than the Holocaust!
What the heck is wrong with you?! How dare you accuse such tzaddikim of not caring about Klal Yisroel because their relatives didn't need to be saved! Besides that you are factually upgefregt before your motzee shem ra was uttered with your shtinky breath. R' Aron Kotler was not unaffected. Even if you deny that shver R' Isser Zalman & son R' Shneur were not in danger from Rommel's Afrika Korps, kallah Rishel was captured by the Japanese & under threat from their notoriously violent & volatile Kommandant of the Shangchai ghetto, mechuton Rav Friedman was slaughtered by the Nazis. The fact that the Bobover composed a kinah - for Tisha b'Av - backs the critics of Yom Hashoah. And thanks for highlighting your ignorance & how krum your "logic" is by invoking all the dates in masechta Taanis - that are bottul!
ReplyDeletei didn't say that they didn't care, I said that they were not affected by the Holocaust...
Deleteאינו דומה שמיעה לראיה
I learned in Bobov and saw R' Shloime z"l up close, I know exactly what happened! והמבין יבון
Again R' Ahron was not affected directly at all!
"How dare you accuse such tzaddikim of not caring about Klal Yisroel "
DeleteWe unfortunately "dare to accuse such tzaddikim" because they haven't shown any empathy except for that half-assed letter you posted!
Don't put words in the Kloizinberger's mouth. Tach Vetat was a bigger percentage loss than the Holocaust. Churban Bayis was not just the cut off of the Aseres Hashvotim in perpetuity & the slaughter of much of the remainder, but the exile of the Shechina which according to all seforim hakedoishim is the ultimate tragedy - not that your buddies like Herzl & Koala Bear Gurion give a sheretz's derriere about that.
ReplyDeleteTach Vetat lasted less than ONE year, The Holocaust went on for 5 years. In T"V families were not separated, and those married to goyim were not touched! I can go on and one but no use aruing with an ignorant fool! BTW Abbas from the PA said the exact same thing as you!
DeleteHerzl's z"l dream made it possible for 8 million Jews to have a home! Thank you Ben-Gurion z"l for you unbeliavabe foresight in establishing a State!
Ben not Torah
DeleteWhat a sick comment from you!
"Tach Vetat was a bigger percentage loss than the Holocaust?"
3/4 of the Jews were murdered in the Holocaust ! I have written to DIN to stop posting your anti-Semitic comments!
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ReplyDeleteWeird when the Hepech Hatorah crowd tries to hijack spiritual affairs as if they have any right to be the arbiters, regardless of what (inappropriate) date they pick for Holocaust rememberance. Many miss the boat on this including the Tzioni WhatsApper from Lakewood who is pinging DIN 100x a day
Just who is ignorant? Tach Vetat lasted “less than 1 year”, huh? Wrong! Many Yidden were captured to be sold into slavery in Muslim lands, including one of the major Achronim, the Shaar Efraim, who managed to escape al ydei ness back to Vilna after more than a year. Many other Yidden, including the ones slaving on the same farm as him were not so fortunate
ReplyDeleteYou are no Ben Yayreh
ReplyDeleteBy comparing T"V to the Holocaust, you are making yourself into a Holocaust denier, because Abbas from the PA in his doctoral thesis says that exactly! He states that "the Holocaust was no worse than any other Jewish tragedy." he received his doctorate based on that
You are in good company !
They teach in all Litvisher yeshivos that the Holocaust did not reach the per capita rate of murders in 1648-1649 because it’s true. Many anteh-Semitt Holocaust deniers have ironically been punished by Western governments for quoting true Talmudic passages that blame “soineihem shel Yisroel” for various things. While the anteh-Semitten have the most evil of intentions to manipulate it doesn’t make the actual divrei Chazal untrue or anti-Semitic in any way
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