Journalist Yossi Elituv, who recently lost his father Rabbi Shimon Elituv, one of the prominent disciples of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, described how a letter addressed to his father by the Rebbe and sent 55 years ago had arrived at exactly the right time.
Elituv, who is the editor of the Mishpacha magazine, tweeted that “to receive a condolence letter from the Rebbe over the passing of our father during the shloshim seems like a message from heaven.
“This is how it happened. On the 5th of Av 5728 (1968), 55 years ago, the rebbe sent a letter full of comforting words about the month of Av to our father. However the letter never arrived as our father had moved to Romania and the letter, addressed to Jerusalem, was returned.
“An hour ago a person who was close to the Rebbe called with a message: I discovered by chance a condolence letter the Rebbe sent to your father which never reached him. Now is its time, I’m sending you a copy with shaking hands, or more correctly, the Rebbe is sending the family condolences.”
In the letter the Rebbe wrote that “may Hashem, the merciful father, comfort his people Yisrael with a double comfort, double strength. This double does not mean two times as much but rather a number which is priceless, and soon these days will become joyous and festive.
Elituv concluded, stating that “My father got 130 letters from the Rebbe in his lifetime and only one with words of comfort arrived tonight, when we most needed comforting.”
לקבל מכתב ניחומים מהרבי זי״ע על הסתלקותו של אבינו הכ״מ בתוך השלושים לפטירתו, זה גובל באות משמים.
— יוסי אליטוב Yossi Elituv (@yoelituv) February 14, 2023
ומעשה שהיה כך היה: בה׳ מנחם אב תשכ״ח, לפני 55 שנים, שיגר הרבי אגרת מלאה בדברי ניחומים על חודש אב לאבינו. אלא שהמכתב לעולם לא הגיע ליעדו. באותם ימים אבא העתיק את מגוריו לרומניה.
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If you look at the letter you see that it is talking about mourning over the Churban, like the nine days of Av, not mourning over the death of an individual person.
ReplyDeleteBut to the Chabad Lubavitch trying promote their late leader, the false messiah of Crown Heights, they still seize upon it to promote their long dead messianic pretender.
DIN, a smart guy like you shouldn't fall for it.
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ReplyDeleteRe-read the article, it does mention that.
Personally, I believe that the Rebbe was a great tzaddik who had tremendous אהבת ישראל was a brilliant תלמיד חכם and built a following that does great things for their fellow brothers and sisters. The fact that some followers believe he is משיח is irrelevant. Most talmidim of the Tanaim and Amoraim believed that their rebbis were משיח. The fact that some believe that after death he is still משיח hurts no one.
1) See the actual letter - click on the Twitter link in your post - and you will see, as written previously, that is speaking about nechama for Klal Yisrael for the churban, not for an individual for private aveilus after a petirah.
ReplyDelete2) "Most talmidim of the Tanaim and Amoraim believed that their rebbis were משיח."
The way I was taught, the statements that you refer to (which actually are rare in Shas, not frequent) meant that they were candidates to be Moshiach, but not משיח וודאי like Lubavitchers belief re their Rebbe. The talmidim of the tannaim and amoraim didn't go around like Chabad putting up posters, stickers, banners everywhere, making declarations and petitions promoting their leader as in a political campaign.
3) This belief they have is dangerous. If someone is insane or is an apikorus, it affects not just one area of his life, but infects it overall.
To "another" as well as to Dusiznies
ReplyDeleteI am not a lubavitcher and I am in fact anti their false messianism.
I would vehemently disagree with the statement "The fact that some believe that after death he is still משיח hurts no one". It hurts Torah true Jews the world over, it definitely hurts non messianic Lubavitchers (if they in fact exist) and it hurts the meshichistim themselves.
That said, The Rebbe Z'L was a huge tzadik with endless ahavas yisroel etc.
The gadlus of the storyto me is not the divrai nechama (even if on their face they were referencing Jerusalem as you point out). Its the fact that you can make the case that he had some siyata dishmaya 50 years ago when he wrote those words to know that they would be dilivered when the family was sitting shiva for their father. Its the fact that the Yad Hashem and Hashgocha Protis that runs every aspect of the world delivered this message of hope and nechama at a time that it was most needed.
So too may we all experience such a "hug" from above to let us know that Hashem loves us and is only doing what is for our best good.
And re the moshiach question, may he come speedily in our days that we be zoche to see first hand the answers to these questions.
Ari D
ReplyDeleteIt's been 29 years since the petirah of this great tzaddik, and I repeat "The fact that some believe that after death he is still משיח hurts no one"
So far 29 years later all the Mashicistim put on tefillan every day are shoimrei Torah Umitzvois, keep R"H Y"K Succos Shevuois Tisha Ba'ov etc etc. it hurt no one not even the mashechistim.
To Response:
1) That is actually what Yossi Elituv states ...so I can't figure out why you keep repeating your false statement
2)Your premise that my statement that "Most talmidim of the Tanaim and Amoraim believed that their rebbis were משיח."is rare in Shas and not frequent, means absolutely nothing, the Satmar Rebbe wrote an entire sefer on the Shalosh Shevuois mentioned only once in Shas in Kesubois 111, and not mentioned in the entire shulchan aruch and Rambam. The most famous Statement in Shas made by Rebi Chananyeh ben Akashyeh is mentioned only once in shas.
We don't know if "The talmidim of the tannaim and amoraim didn't go around like Chabad putting up posters, stickers, banners everywhere, making declarations and petitions promoting their leader as in a political campaign." Maybe they did and maybe they didn't but it was important enough for R' Ashi to put it into Shas for posterity.
3) After 29 years we now know that this belief is in fact NOT dangerous as no one was hurt and they are all committed Yeedin just like you and me.
Your bizarre statement that :
"If someone is insane or is an apikorus, it affects not just one area of his life, but infects it overall," is irrelevant in the context that we are discussing.
Satmar, Belz, Kloizenburg, Ger, Lakewood, Ponivetz all have insane people, and believe me that there are Litvishe Gedoilim that still believe that chassidim worshiping their rebbes like the ones I just mentioned are apikorsim.I would add those who worshipped R' Chaim Kanievsky and made up stories about his moifsim are all apikorsim.
Mr. DIN - have you been to 770 Eastern Parkway?
ReplyDeleteIf you would go there you might change your tune.
Anonymous Insanity is dangerous
ReplyDeleteTo you I will say in reference to your handle כשמו כן הוא
I was in 770 and I don't see any problems that hurt anyone, so a couple of people say "Lechyim" to an empty chair? Who cares? Didn't hurt anyone! Satmar is far more dangerous with their anti-Israel agenda. Far more!