It reads "Milchama" WAR!
Do they mean, chas veshalom, the war that Gaza perpetrated against Israel, when Arab murderers rained over 4,000 missiles against innocent Jews?
Naa!
For that they could only find a little corner on the bottom of the page.
So, what "War" are they talking about?
They are talking about the "war"... the article posted in Yiddish by The New York Times!
An article that took Chassidishe Yeshivos to task for taking money from the "medina" the government but refusing to teach basic secular subjects like English, Math, which they promised to do.
I wrote previously that I am against government intervention in private schools, but having said that, I have to point out that their "war story" is an outright lie!
All "Yeshivishe" chadarim teach these basic secular subjects in all their moisdois. Even in Chassidishe schools, they used to teach these subjects, see the Bobover ad below. They teach it in Stolin, Chasan Sofer and Ger.
The Bobover Rebbe, R' Shlomo z"l used to hire English teachers to teach his son, R' Ben Zion, the Rebbe of the entire 48th Street!
I had friends that used to teach English and Math in Satmar! Yes, you read that right...in Satmar. But that went out the window years ago, because it was hard to find English teachers that would put up with the sheer chutzpa, disrespect and no basic derech eretz from these Satmar children.
They do teach these secular subjects in their girl's schools today and teach it to Satmar children that are challenged.
So to teach girls that will be the עקרת הבית, and will ultimately be responsible for the רוחניות of their families, that is ok, but to teach basic English to the ones who are responsible for the פרנסה that is chazir treif!
In addition, their fictious lie that this was their "mesorah" not to teach secular subjects is laughable.
Practically all Satmar Chassidim speak and write Hungarian fluently, the barbaric language, to this day.
When their ancestors lived in Romania which turned into Hungary, they were required to learn the language, and this was taught in their moisdois. The girls had to go to public school where they sat with goyim and shiksas to learn Hungarian. After the war, they brought this ugly language to the USA; a lot of them could not speak Yiddish.
They had no such mesorah!
In fact, it was the Jews living in Poland and the Litvaks that, didn't learn the language, though the women did go to "gymnasium" a Public High School. In fact, after the war, most Jewish Polish survivors that I knew couldn't speak Polish, while all the Hungarians spoke Hungarian!
In the Lita, where they didn't teach secular subjects, the students of the top yeshivois like Volozin were drawn to the Haskala and most of them were lost to yiddishkeit, except of course when Hitler ym"s reminded their children and grandchildren that they were indeed, Jews!
In fact, the Litvaks keep repeating the lie that the Netziv closed the Yeshiva because the Russians required the Yeshiva to introduce Russian. This lie has been repeated so many times, that it is now a fact, though, it's actually a lie. The Yeshiva was closed because of family infighting shhhhhhhh! (והמבין יבין)
All the politicians that the Chassidishe Moisdois "tuchis lekked" like Nadler, Goldman and their lovely girlfriend Hochul stabbed them in the back and front and backed openly the decision from the Regents to oversee Yeshivois. (though Hochol Pokas remained silent).
The bottom line is, that Satmar may have to take their own advice they freely give to the moisdos of Israel, not to take any money from the "medina."
This may actually be a "war" but until they stop taking money, like the Amish in Pennsylvania, they lost it!
When extremist elements of the charedi community tell you they are protecting a way of life that is 2000 years old, they are lying. @yaffedorg https://t.co/p009oEhbxs
— YehudisFletcher (@YehudisFletcher) September 18, 2022
"Practically all Satmar Chassidim speak and write Hungarian fluently, the barbaric language, to this day."
ReplyDeleteNo, they have not been keeping up that mesorah. Older ones from Europe remember it, but younger ones typically don't know much, if any.
Maybe you can make a fundraiser to pay for Hungarian teachers for Satmar to be מחזיר עטרה ליושנה?
Your Liska buddy Friedlander needs work, maybe he can become Hungarian principal of Satmar and get $ from his politician buddies for it.
"The Yeshiva was closed because of family infighting"
ReplyDeleteSorry DIN, you are off the mark.
Fact Check
ReplyDeleteThe official version of the closing of Volozin was that Netziv didn't want to go along with the Russian decree to teach Russian, but the Yeshiva would have closed anyway because of family infighting, the "Russian thingy" was the straw that broke the camel's back, but it would have closed anyway, it was just a matter of time.
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ReplyDeleteDIN is absolutely correct about the Volozin Yeshiva, I just sent him info about that awful episode. I told him to write a separate post on what really happened. The Netziv's son R'Meir Berlin wrote letters about this extensively. His nephew, R' Baruch Epstein, the Torah Temima also discussed this this at length.
Also what people may not know that the Netziv actually did introduce Russian subjects in Yeshiva years before the school closed. Yes he had pressure from the Maskilim to have licensed Russian teachers, but that wasn't the reason why the yeshiva closed. He also had massive debt and he was still trying to pay them off after the school closed.
So, what exactly changed that the Yeshivas mentioned here stopped teaching English and Math--when you show the once did.
ReplyDeleteAlso, if you have details about why Volozhin closed, could you post it. Most of us know about the Russian secular subject story.
DIN and Epstein:
ReplyDeleteI based my retort to DIN on what the great authority Prof. Shaul Stampfer writes in his classic authoritative work on Volozhin yeshiva (newer edition with info from Russian archives gained after fall of communism there).
Stampfer is the expert.