Didn't get a chance to listen yet, but I will. Since my yiddish is weak and so I will need to concentrate and pay close attention to grasp what's said. However although I'm sure this perhaps may be an issue, my impression has been that this blogger you're linking to is not the most reliable. Am I correct?
I understand some Yiddish and listened to this fellow castigating not just some whacko Chareidi sect but the entire Chareidi society for its sexual licentiousness and indecency regarding abuse of babysitters ( or perhaps it was the babysitter who was culpable, it wasn’t clear). He mentions not only babysitter shandas but also many known incidents of brother/sister/father/mother incest prevalent in Chareidi society. He complains that these horrors which he labels as ruination and devastation of Chareidi social order are well known in Chareidi circles and to esteemed Chareidi Rabbeim but refuse to do anything about these horrors. He even suggests that it might be preferable to ban babysitters! Who is this fellow? How many of these incidents have occurred and when? Who were the perpetrators and who the victims? Who are the Rabbeim that have refused to investigate these abominations? Is Chareidi society as corrupt as this fellow makes it out?
This is Rabbi Shaulson, the editor of Bechadrei Chareidim, a kind of tabloid blog. Rabbi Shaulson is anti - , well sort of anti-everything. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, no matter who commenced it, he's against it. (This notwithstanding, most of the time he's right.)
In this podcast, Shaulson contends that perversion is pervasive in the Chareidai community, but no one knows what to do about it. Just how pervasive is this odious behavior? He doesn't say, only that "ess passirt ah sach", it happens a lot. How much is "a lot"? Ten thousand offenders? One thousand offenders? A hundred? Ten? In relative terms, although Chareidim may number over a million members, because given the high opinion they have of themselves, ten miscreants would indeed be considered "a lot".
Of course, there are many times that number of predators in the Chareidi community, and indeed it is a very serious problem. I believe that one can state without fear of contradiction that although not every Chareidi is directly affected by this problem, every Chareidi is personally aware of a specific molester. It is this fact that makes the prevalence of perversion seem to loom so large, perhaps even larger than it actually is.
When one considers how often abuse is reported in the non=Charedi world, when the roster of abusers includes Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Governors, financeers, Hollywood celebrities etc., then perhaps the phenomena of sexual abuse is more a function of society at large rather than being caused by a subset of society.
This does not in any way diminish the serious attention we must give to this problem, but it may perhaps suggest a more nuanced approach to it.
If there was ever a Chabadsker who Satmar hates his guts, Shaulson takes 1st place prize. They sometimes refer to Shaulson as Humun Harushe.
They almost killed someone in the 90s who they confused for Shaulson.
But all that didn't stop alter Satmar shvantz Margo from taking Shaulson's kids into YTT as he could pay full tuition from farkoifing his rags known as Punim Chalashos & Yiddishe Vochenshmutz.
He's a old time nut case. No credibility. No sincerity in anything he says or does. Not worth wasting time to listen to whatever he speaks or writes. Chaim Shaulson never changed.
Yaakov Shulman Definition of with bated breath : in a nervous and excited state anticipating what will happen They waited for the answer on their application with bated breath.
Shaulson stories either have a kernel of truth or none at all. This story has a tiny sliver of truth:A frum broadcaster has been accused of abusing women including a young lady who was babysitting.The rest of the story is Shaulsons rich imagination. Shaulson published a "newspaper" full of made up stories and would take money to publish or quash gossip on various groups and people.Finally a Satmar chosid, paid him to shut the rag
Shea Not exactly, he was right on the money when he published the Panim Chadushois, and told Satmar inside stories. The Satmars went bonkers and tried to kidnap and kill him, but they kidnapped the wrong guy and stabbed the guy almost to death. If the stories werent true they wouldn't have bothered with him. Most of his stores are 100% accurate and spot on. The establishment hates his guts but only because he is exposing them. Goof for him.
I'm reading the comments about Shaulson with disbelief. Shaulson is far more accurate than all Chareidie Newspapers combined. The Yated, Hamodia, Hamevasser, Hapeles are accurate? Der Yid, Der Blatt, are accurate? They all write their side only. Well from Shaulson we get the other side. Shaulson may not be get it right all the time, but which Chareidie media is right? The New york Times is accurate? Every single media outlet pushes their agenda, and so does Shaulson. He chooses stories that he agrees with, and I've also seen him post stories which he doesn't agree.
I post stories that pushes my agenda. Of course I don't hide that and those thousands following my blog read my posts precisely because of that. They want tp hear my take. Am I wrong? Yes! Many times.
In the above video, he is not 80% accurate but 100% accurate. What wasn't accurate about what he said? That there are Chareidie families that have incest? This is not a secret. I know for a fact that it is very prevalent in too many Chareidie families, and not only in Israel but in New Square. I don't know Shaulson, I have never met him but he is smart, funny and he has the stories of people who are being taken advantage of. He is for the those on the bottom and he hates and despises bullies, and I admire him for that. I find his posts real. Again, in the video above every single word is true.
Din Shaulson does not "write the other side", he writes the side that pays him. He has been accused of blackmailing people not to punlish things about them. These accusations have even been published by the Israeli secular media.Small example:He published non stop dirt on the Gerer chasidus and then suddenly stopped... He has defended Berland etc He has been a pariah for 40 years and neede to leave Israel on the run And yes, he will publish things that are true, but a frum newspaper cannot publish. Do you want frum newspapers that are read by youngsters to publish adult content? Rapes, accusations of molestation??
Shea You scribble: "Do you want frum newspapers that are read by youngsters to publish adult content? Rapes, accusations of molestation??" Actually yes! You keep scribbling: "You "know for a fact" Oh, and how would you know something so personal?"
Yes I know something that personal for a fact, and not only I, but many many people in Skver know. And the fact that Shoulson is getting paid not to write, doesn't ,make the stories of Ger not true, in fact it gives it more credibility. Everyone in the media makes money from their stories, albeit in different ways. Yated, Hamodia etc thru advertising and Shoulson by not posting stories, good for him. All this R' Shea does not prove that his stories are false. The Sadigere stories weren't true? The Ger stories weren't true? They were all true! Ok you have some Bs about him "blackmailing" but the stories are true. The Yeshivaworld blog refused to print Walder stories until this week.. everyone does what's good for them. I believe that Shaulson's blog is making people in power think twice before they talk. good for him all the power to him Kol Hakovod
To Shia Piah You are linking to articles to besmirch Shaulson's reputation from where? From Bechadrei Chadorim the quintessential loshon hara blog.A blog that has been banned by all Gedoilei Hador. So it's interesting that you are complaining about Shaulson's Loshon Hara with linking to Loshon Hara. But with all that, you still have not brought one story that Shaulson published that is not true. Yes, you wrote about what and why he did not publish. Another thing that I got out of your comments is that you yourself maybe a pervert and are afraid that Shaulson may get on your sorry ass. So start saving $$$$ becuase he may have info on you.
Shea, 5:54 you write: "Shaulson stories either have a kernel of truth or none at all. This story has a tiny sliver of truth" "Shaulson published a "newspaper" full of made up stories"
Then 7:36 your write: "And yes, he will publish things that are true, but a frum newspaper cannot publish"
1) Which one is correct, is it only a kernel of truth or "yes, he will publish things that are true, but a frum newspaper cannot publish"
2) Also frum newspapers can not publish that chazyrim (perverts) can not touch your private parts but it's ok for chazyrim (perverts) to actually touch your private parts or mishkev zucher (rape of boys and girls) then cover it up?
3) Shouldn't boys and girls know what is really holy and what is Berland holy? This can be done the easy way. Or it will be done the hard way.
Shaulson the shady Lubav IS a liar who invents sensationalist garbage to profit from. He might have had some true stuff about Satmar, but so what? He is a reverse discrimination meister against Litvisher. He especially despises Rav Schach & lehavdil bcl"c R' Malkiel, and has made up more vile slander against the two than you can count. He once even insinuated R' Malkiel had the homo hots for a Londoner gvir with a big blonde tchup. Satmar didn't just stab the wrong guy but also broke every bone in his body. Many in all parts of the spectrum wished Satmar hadn't missed the target.
Technically he is the rav of some alter kacker shul in Sheepshead Bay in the vicinity of Knapp St & Ave Y. That's the same neighborhood that Heshy Tischler's crooked parents were nailed for multiple types of fraud at the nursing home they owned. Mendel Epstein also found an alter shul with senile membership that couldn't protest him (under the tracks on McDonald near Ave C), to give himself credibility.
Shaulson also gives hashgocho on food, not that I would eat from the shyster.
The guy hiding behind a facade, too gutless to put his name to any of his posts calls me a pervert.Your blog obsesses about molestation and helps anti semites, who need no help, by claiming that "incest is common amongst charedim" and "he knows it for a fact". Your site is probably a fvourite with the Nazi USA party, you make their job easy.Truly disgusting. At least Shoulson does not hide
Shea I did not post your link, because I'm not going to allow you to run with your narrative about Shaulson. This is not what our discussion was. According to her book, the DA said that there wasn't anything to her charges against Shaulson, and that is in her book. But either way that doesn't negate the fact that his stories are true. His stories about Rav Shach's battles with Chabad z"l were all true, the Satmar and Bobov,and Ger Civil wars are all true, these were not reported anywhere. His blog is very informative and necessary. His own personal bias and behavior is irrelevant. The fact that he publishes stories because he is getting paid to push that narrative doesn't negate the fact that the story is true.. The fact that he doesn't publish certain negative stories because he is getting paid is neither here nor there. The Yated, Hapeles and other Chareidie media outlets also do not publish stories because of personal reasons. So he doesn't publish them because he gets paid and they don't publish them because it would be bad for business. The bottom line for all is the almighty dollar. Shaulson's stories are by inlarge 100% accurate and he makes mistakes like the other Chareidie news outlets. Bechadrei Chadarim blog that you praise is loaded with inaccurate stories and also does whats good for them. It's up to the reader to be informed and look into the stories published and reach their own conclusions.
Shia 2 Shaulson just like me is running a blog. A blog means that it is his narrative. For example I won't publish any article that is against Zionism even if its true, because I am pushing my agenda.
I have a secret that I will let you into. All Charedie outlets will not report on any news that makes Zionism look good, and that's I why have a blog to give a picture of the other side. Am I being fair? No!!!! Absolutely not! But the entire Chareidie media is not fair. The fact that Shaulson is nitpicking what he will report, makes him just like the others. But you, Shia, are probably a closet sexual pervert and you are afraid that you are his next victim. So My advice to you is to get some money together to pay him off, because from what you say, you will need a lot of it.
Oh please! Don't insinuate that everything Shaulson said on Rav Schach is true. While some of the stories were true, Shaulson is a venemous animal who called the rosh yeshiva "the Satan" & wove fantastical sheker about him.
Come on, you owe it to us to translate, or at least give us a few takeaway points.
ReplyDeleteSo he just found out, this crap has been going on for years and years but Rabbonim didn’t want to hear, sadly nothing new
ReplyDeleteThis is an old story. Finally its starting to come out!
ReplyDeleteWhat is this rabbi's name?
ReplyDeleteDidn't get a chance to listen yet, but I will. Since my yiddish is weak and so I will need to concentrate and pay close attention to grasp what's said.
ReplyDeleteHowever although I'm sure this perhaps may be an issue, my impression has been that this blogger you're linking to is not the most reliable. Am I correct?
I understand some Yiddish and listened to this fellow castigating not just some whacko Chareidi sect but the entire Chareidi society for its sexual licentiousness and indecency regarding abuse of babysitters ( or perhaps it was the babysitter who was culpable, it wasn’t clear). He mentions not only babysitter shandas but also many known incidents of brother/sister/father/mother incest prevalent in Chareidi society. He complains that these horrors which he labels as ruination and devastation of Chareidi social order are well known in Chareidi circles and to esteemed Chareidi Rabbeim but refuse to do anything about these horrors. He even suggests that it might be preferable to ban babysitters!
ReplyDeleteWho is this fellow? How many of these incidents have occurred and when? Who were the perpetrators and who the victims? Who are the Rabbeim that have refused to investigate these abominations?
Is Chareidi society as corrupt as this fellow makes it out?
This is Rabbi Shaulson, the editor of Bechadrei Chareidim, a kind of tabloid blog. Rabbi Shaulson is anti - , well sort of anti-everything. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, no matter who commenced it, he's against it. (This notwithstanding, most of the time he's right.)
ReplyDeleteIn this podcast, Shaulson contends that perversion is pervasive in the Chareidai community, but no one knows what to do about it. Just how pervasive is this odious behavior? He doesn't say, only that "ess passirt ah sach", it happens a lot. How much is "a lot"? Ten thousand offenders? One thousand offenders? A hundred? Ten? In relative terms, although Chareidim may number over a million members, because given the high opinion they have of themselves, ten miscreants would indeed be considered "a lot".
Of course, there are many times that number of predators in the Chareidi community, and indeed it is a very serious problem. I believe that one can state without fear of contradiction that although not every Chareidi is directly affected by this problem, every Chareidi is personally aware of a specific molester. It is this fact that makes the prevalence of perversion seem to loom so large, perhaps even larger than it actually is.
When one considers how often abuse is reported in the non=Charedi world, when the roster of abusers includes Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Governors, financeers, Hollywood celebrities etc., then perhaps the phenomena of sexual abuse is more a function of society at large rather than being caused by a subset of society.
This does not in any way diminish the serious attention we must give to this problem, but it may perhaps suggest a more nuanced approach to it.
Hey, cyrano.
ReplyDeleteWhere does this guy blog? Does he have a web site?
If there was ever a Chabadsker who Satmar hates his guts, Shaulson takes 1st place prize. They sometimes refer to Shaulson as Humun Harushe.
ReplyDeleteThey almost killed someone in the 90s who they confused for Shaulson.
But all that didn't stop alter Satmar shvantz Margo from taking Shaulson's kids into YTT as he could pay full tuition from farkoifing his rags known as Punim Chalashos & Yiddishe Vochenshmutz.
Cyarano,
ReplyDeleteShoulson is NOT the editor of Bechadrei Chareidim, who gave you that idea?
He is not a rabbi either
He's a old time nut case. No credibility. No sincerity in anything he says or does. Not worth wasting time to listen to whatever he speaks or writes. Chaim Shaulson never changed.
ReplyDelete11:09
ReplyDeleteShow us all where he was wrong. We are all waiting with baited breath.
"Bated breath." "Bated" as in "abated," holding back. Not "baited," as in baiting fish.
ReplyDeleteYaakov Shulman
ReplyDeleteDefinition of with bated breath
: in a nervous and excited state anticipating what will happen They waited for the answer on their application with bated breath.
he literally is a waste of space
ReplyDeletedont trust a word he says
entertaining though he may be.
Shaulson stories either have a kernel of truth or none at all. This story has a tiny sliver of truth:A frum broadcaster has been accused of abusing women including a young lady who was babysitting.The rest of the story is Shaulsons rich imagination.
ReplyDeleteShaulson published a "newspaper" full of made up stories and would take money to publish or quash gossip on various groups and people.Finally a Satmar chosid, paid him to shut the rag
Shea
ReplyDeleteNot exactly, he was right on the money when he published the Panim Chadushois, and told Satmar inside stories. The Satmars went bonkers and tried to kidnap and kill him, but they kidnapped the wrong guy and stabbed the guy almost to death. If the stories werent true they wouldn't have bothered with him. Most of his stores are 100% accurate and spot on. The establishment hates his guts but only because he is exposing them. Goof for him.
I'm reading the comments about Shaulson with disbelief. Shaulson is far more accurate than all Chareidie Newspapers combined. The Yated, Hamodia, Hamevasser, Hapeles are accurate? Der Yid, Der Blatt, are accurate? They all write their side only. Well from Shaulson we get the other side. Shaulson may not be get it right all the time, but which Chareidie media is right? The New york Times is accurate? Every single media outlet pushes their agenda, and so does Shaulson. He chooses stories that he agrees with, and I've also seen him post stories which he doesn't agree.
ReplyDeleteI post stories that pushes my agenda. Of course I don't hide that and those thousands following my blog read my posts precisely because of that. They want tp hear my take.
Am I wrong? Yes! Many times.
In the above video, he is not 80% accurate but 100% accurate. What wasn't accurate about what he said? That there are Chareidie families that have incest? This is not a secret. I know for a fact that it is very prevalent in too many Chareidie families, and not only in Israel but in New Square.
I don't know Shaulson, I have never met him but he is smart, funny and he has the stories of people who are being taken advantage of. He is for the those on the bottom and he hates and despises bullies, and I admire him for that. I find his posts real.
Again, in the video above every single word is true.
Din
ReplyDeleteShaulson does not "write the other side", he writes the side that pays him.
He has been accused of blackmailing people not to punlish things about them. These accusations have even been published by the Israeli secular media.Small example:He published non stop dirt on the Gerer chasidus and then suddenly stopped...
He has defended Berland etc He has been a pariah for 40 years and neede to leave Israel on the run
And yes, he will publish things that are true, but a frum newspaper cannot publish.
Do you want frum newspapers that are read by youngsters to publish adult content? Rapes, accusations of molestation??
." I know for a fact that it is very prevalent in too many Chareidie families, and not only in Israel but in New Square."
ReplyDeleteWhoa, we dont need anti semites any more, we have our own.
You "know for a fact"
Oh, and how would you know something so personal?
Shea
ReplyDeleteYou scribble:
"Do you want frum newspapers that are read by youngsters to publish adult content? Rapes, accusations of molestation??"
Actually yes!
You keep scribbling:
"You "know for a fact"
Oh, and how would you know something so personal?"
Yes I know something that personal for a fact, and not only I, but many many people in Skver know.
And the fact that Shoulson is getting paid not to write, doesn't ,make the stories of Ger not true, in fact it gives it more credibility.
Everyone in the media makes money from their stories, albeit in different ways. Yated, Hamodia etc thru advertising and Shoulson by not posting stories, good for him.
All this R' Shea does not prove that his stories are false.
The Sadigere stories weren't true? The Ger stories weren't true? They were all true!
Ok you have some Bs about him "blackmailing" but the stories are true.
The Yeshivaworld blog refused to print Walder stories until this week.. everyone does what's good for them. I believe that Shaulson's blog is making people in power think twice before they talk. good for him all the power to him Kol Hakovod
To Shia Piah
ReplyDeleteYou are linking to articles to besmirch Shaulson's reputation from where? From Bechadrei Chadorim the quintessential loshon hara blog.A blog that has been banned by all Gedoilei Hador. So it's interesting that you are complaining about Shaulson's Loshon Hara with linking to Loshon Hara. But with all that, you still have not brought one story that Shaulson published that is not true. Yes, you wrote about what and why he did not publish.
Another thing that I got out of your comments is that you yourself maybe a pervert and are afraid that Shaulson may get on your sorry ass. So start saving $$$$ becuase he may have info on you.
Shea, 5:54 you write: "Shaulson stories either have a kernel of truth or none at all. This story has a tiny sliver of truth"
ReplyDelete"Shaulson published a "newspaper" full of made up stories"
Then 7:36 your write: "And yes, he will publish things that are true, but a frum newspaper cannot publish"
1) Which one is correct, is it only a kernel of truth or "yes, he will publish things that are true, but a frum newspaper cannot publish"
2) Also frum newspapers can not publish that chazyrim (perverts) can not touch your private parts but it's ok for chazyrim (perverts) to actually touch your private parts or mishkev zucher (rape of boys and girls) then cover it up?
3) Shouldn't boys and girls know what is really holy and what is Berland holy? This can be done the easy way. Or it will be done the hard way.
Shaulson the shady Lubav IS a liar who invents sensationalist garbage to profit from. He might have had some true stuff about Satmar, but so what? He is a reverse discrimination meister against Litvisher. He especially despises Rav Schach & lehavdil bcl"c R' Malkiel, and has made up more vile slander against the two than you can count. He once even insinuated R' Malkiel had the homo hots for a Londoner gvir with a big blonde tchup. Satmar didn't just stab the wrong guy but also broke every bone in his body. Many in all parts of the spectrum wished Satmar hadn't missed the target.
ReplyDeleteTechnically he is the rav of some alter kacker shul in Sheepshead Bay in the vicinity of Knapp St & Ave Y. That's the same neighborhood that Heshy Tischler's crooked parents were nailed for multiple types of fraud at the nursing home they owned. Mendel Epstein also found an alter shul with senile membership that couldn't protest him (under the tracks on McDonald near Ave C), to give himself credibility.
Shaulson also gives hashgocho on food, not that I would eat from the shyster.
The guy hiding behind a facade, too gutless to put his name to any of his posts calls me a pervert.Your blog obsesses about molestation and helps anti semites, who need no help, by claiming that "incest is common amongst charedim" and "he knows it for a fact". Your site is probably a fvourite with the Nazi USA party, you make their job easy.Truly disgusting.
ReplyDeleteAt least Shoulson does not hide
Shea
ReplyDeleteI did not post your link, because I'm not going to allow you to run with your narrative about Shaulson. This is not what our discussion was. According to her book, the DA said that there wasn't anything to her charges against Shaulson, and that is in her book. But either way that doesn't negate the fact that his stories are true. His stories about Rav Shach's battles with Chabad z"l were all true, the Satmar and Bobov,and Ger Civil wars are all true, these were not reported anywhere.
His blog is very informative and necessary. His own personal bias and behavior is irrelevant. The fact that he publishes stories because he is getting paid to push that narrative doesn't negate the fact that the story is true.. The fact that he doesn't publish certain negative stories because he is getting paid is neither here nor there. The Yated, Hapeles and other Chareidie media outlets also do not publish stories because of personal reasons. So he doesn't publish them because he gets paid and they don't publish them because it would be bad for business. The bottom line for all is the almighty dollar.
Shaulson's stories are by inlarge 100% accurate and he makes mistakes like the other Chareidie news outlets. Bechadrei Chadarim blog that you praise is loaded with inaccurate stories and also does whats good for them. It's up to the reader to be informed and look into the stories published and reach their own conclusions.
Shia 2
ReplyDeleteShaulson just like me is running a blog. A blog means that it is his narrative. For example I won't publish any article that is against Zionism even if its true, because I am pushing my agenda.
I have a secret that I will let you into. All Charedie outlets will not report on any news that makes Zionism look good, and that's I why have a blog to give a picture of the other side.
Am I being fair? No!!!!
Absolutely not!
But the entire Chareidie media is not fair. The fact that Shaulson is nitpicking what he will report, makes him just like the others. But you, Shia, are probably a closet sexual pervert and you are afraid that you are his next victim.
So My advice to you is to get some money together to pay him off, because from what you say, you will need a lot of it.
Oh please! Don't insinuate that everything Shaulson said on Rav Schach is true. While some of the stories were true, Shaulson is a venemous animal who called the rosh yeshiva "the Satan" & wove fantastical sheker about him.
ReplyDeleteYou wrote: It's up to the reader to be informed and look into the stories published and reach their own conclusions.
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect, this is not what the law says. Case in point -- why why the blogger at Lost Messiah was outed from anonymity and sued for LIBEL.