In Feb 2016, I reported to you about this fake Bais Din, that will issue a fraudulent "Heter Meah Rabbanim" for any husband who wants to extort money from their spouse.
They issue a "get" which is basically an "extortion letter" and they tell the wife ..."the get is ready" but when the wife shows up she is asked to pay a considerable "ransom" in order for her to "get" it! When the wife finally is able to muster the required funds, the swindler Bais Din then raises the stakes...
This rogue fraudulent Bais Din is run by a shady guy who calls himself Gestetner!....
Multiple"seruvim" have been issued against fake Bais Din. Many poiskim have called this kangaroo court a farce, including Rav Belsky z"l, Rav Landesman, Rav Willig, Rav Fuerst and Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky.
Well, last night, Lonna Kin, an aguna for 17 years, showed up at the Bais Din to ask for her get.... but the liars, of course wouldn't pay her any attention since she is only the wife...
Hundreds of people showed up at the Monsey Bais Din Home of these swindlers who call themselves rabbis, to protest this injustice.. New York State Troopers were there to keep the peace..and protect the Gestetner Swindlers Inc.
Meir Kin, who is the maniacal sadist husband of Lonna, obtained his fraudulent "Heter Meah Rabbanim" from these swindlers and he was able to openly practice bigamy; subsequently married some unknown South American, who had no clue to what she got herself into.....
According to psychologists who looked into this particular case, they found Meir to be a narcissistic sociopath, someone who derives pleasure from the pain of others.
Meir Kin and his criminal family rented a truck with posters to specifically defame women who got married with the permission of Gedoiei Yisrael after their husbands refused to give them a get.. these posters are trying to question their status and are calling their children "safeik mamzeirim" ... if they were so concerned about these "mamzeirim" why don't they just give them a get!
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Just trying to be factual. For reasons unrelated to Lonna, the "poskim" Belsky, Landesman, Willig, Fuerst & Shmuel Kamenetsky have all proven themselves to be frauds.
ReplyDeleteOnce upon a time, Dayan Gestetner was an admirable rabbi who wasn't afraid to fight the feminist fakers who always side with the woman & even manufacture mamzerim.
That stated, Dayan Gestetner became senile at some point. I don't know if it was before or after Kin came to him. Recently the Dayan was approached by rabbonim & askonim who are trying to help a giyoress who is being stolen from. After being initially receptive, the Dayan yelled at them "who told you there is a beis din here?" When they cited dinei Torah he presided over, he screams "Lahada"m, show me the tzettlach!"
In all seriousness, which upstanding rabbi has sided with Lonna? I'm on the fence because I haven't seen a single bonafide name with her. Corrupt Union in LA doesn't count, nor do other feminists like Schechter. And Lonna's cousin Dovid Lau obviously has a conflict of interest.
https://www.lohud.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2021/04/21/ramapo-backs-mottys-scofflaw-fight-over-railroad-land/7090849002/
ReplyDeleteNow that DIN is poking around Monsey, what about Motty Klein from Satmar teaming up with Modern Orthodox shysterette Mona Montal to steal karka from Metro North? She's married to to the caterer Mickey who likes to hire fishy rabbonei machshir. And she's one of the last remaining nasty ones in Ramapo Town Hall who somehow hasn't been arrested, YET.
Motty's brother Peiretz was grada the enabler of ripping off the Federal internet program that prompted the FBI to raid 100s of yeshivos a few years ago. Peiretz has now been convicted along with his wife, kids, nephews, etc. Peiretz is famous for driving around Monsey blind with his 3/4 rekel wrapped around his face like an Arab keffiyeh so that reporters can't capture a picture of his fraudster hadras punim.
"which upstanding rabbi has sided with Lonna?"
ReplyDeleteWell, certainly not my old pal Gimpel "zelche makkos" Wolmark, who in one of the videos DIN posted makes his grand entrance at Lonna's screamfest.
Does Wolmark's parole officer know about this? I would think that going after someone withholding a get is a violation of his release terms!
When Mona M. acts nasty at the Ramapo clerk counter, she really 'shines' as even more BUTT UGLY than usual!
ReplyDeleteShe sure is one proud machsheifa considering her humble origins. Her shver was a long time schnorrer of pocket change rotating around Boro Park-Flatbush shuls.
To Toishav Monsey & Mendel Epstein
ReplyDeleteLonna Kin is an aguna for the last 17 years ... she doesn't need any rabbanim on her side ...she needs a get!
The gemarrah in Sanhedrin already discussed Rabbanim in the times of Moshiach ..
the gemarrah compares them to dogs פני הדור כפני כלב, והאמת נעדרת
Reb Elchanan Wasserman quotes R' Yisrael Salanter explaining this gemarrah....
when one observes a person walking a dog, you will see the dog run ahead... it looks like the dog is leading the person ... but watch what happens when the dog reaches a fork in the road or a corner, the dog will wait and see what the person will do...when he notices that the person makes a turn the dog will then run ahead again ..so who is really leading? ...
R' Yisrael Salanter explains that in the end of days, the leaders will be bunch of cowards and wait to see what the people want....they are like dogs that wait and see where the person is going...
That's why its so important to back these women, to let the cowards, the rabbanim, "the dogs", know that we will no longer tolerate the likes of these rashaim like Meir Kin & Dovid Wasserman !
Rabbis Belsky, Landesman, Willig, Fuerst & Shmuel Kamenetsi may very well be "frauds" as you call them ..but they are on the right side of the issue here and should be commended ...
Lonna Kin needs the people that are leading "the dogs"
I am truly "farklemt" on this issue. On the one hand, Meyer Kin does not come across as credible when he claims that he has given a "get" and Lonna Kin is just being vindictive. If that were the case, why would he not agree to write another "get" under the direction of whatever Beis Din Lonna chooses and have the entire ceremony broadcast live by Zoom? That would put the nail in the coffin once and for all. If Meyer Kin claims that he does not want to foot the expense of writing another "get", I'm willing to underwrite the entire cost. It can be done for under $4,000.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, although Mrs. Kin comes across as more credible and appears to be a more sympathetic person, I don't see how her association with the mob protest helps her case. To me it seems that these protests are just a shade less volatile then those of BLM, with the threat of violence just lurking underneath. It is difficult to see how a "get" given under such circumstances can be considered to be not coerced, and therefore such a "get" would be null and void.
There are some who believe that a "get" may be coerced and still be valid, but they make this claim out of ignorance of Halacha, They argue, "Isn't it it stated כופין אותו עד שיאמר רוצה אני , that even if coerced, once a statement of consent is articulated it is considered as if it were given of free will?"
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing for this point of view is false, as any true Torah scholar will confirm. The concept of כופין אותו עד שיאמר רוצה אני is applicable in only a very limited set of circumstances. In nearly all "gitten" given today this notion is irrelevant. It is unfortunate that Rabbi Epstein and other unscrupulous individuals engaged in violence in obtaining "gitten", because those "gitten were "posul", invalid, L'chol hadayos.
Mrs. Kin may have turned to certain feminist organizations out of desperation, but I fear that this were not avail her in her attempt to receive a valid "get".
I would appreciate if someone would point out to me where my reasoning is faulty.
Cyrano
ReplyDeleteYou are learning the wrong pshat in
כופין אותו עד שיאמר רוצה אני
What Epsatein did by actually using violence that is definitely not a get given by free will
But shaming the family and having protests is not in any way kneged Halacha .....
With your logic... how can a Bais Din ever issue a siruv? How can Bais Din ever put anyone in Cheirim..?
The protests is a way to get that rasha to Bais Din ... issuing a siruv is no way a problem in the get process,it is not forcing him to give a get... it is forcing him to come to Bais Din ....and there is no problem forcing anyone to come to Bais Din
The Torah in Parshas Ki-Teizei .......כ"ה
כי יהיה ריב בין אנשים ונגשו אל-המשפט ושפטום
When there will a dispute between people, and they will be brought to the court, the court will judge them
see Rashi:
סופם להיות נגשים אל המשפט
the result will be that they will be forced to be judged
see Sifri
אין לי אלא אנשים, נשים מניין, אשה עם איש מניין, ת"ל ונגשו אל המשפט
This rule applies even in a dispute between a man and a woman ...
This is what the Halacha of כופין אותו עד שיאמר רוצה אני actually means..
We are forcing him by shaming him, by protesting him and his family ...and there is nothing halachaclly wrong with that ...this menuval is holding back a get for 17 years .... he is being over on a deoriisa of
לא תעמוד על דם רעיך .....
The problem today is that the rabbanim are bunch of cowards as I explained on a comment above ...
The Gemmarrah in Sanhedrin predicted this 2,000 years ago ...
they compared todays rabbis to dogs! That not me DIN saying this, if the gemarrah didn't say it, I wouldn't be allowed to say something like this... but this is in Mesachtas Sanhedrin for all to see!
I wrote above and its worth repeating:
"the gemarrah compares them to dogs פני הדור כפני כלב, והאמת נעדרת
Reb Elchanan Wasserman quotes R' Yisrael Salanter explaining this gemarrah....
when one observes a person walking a dog, you will see the dog run ahead... it looks like the dog is leading the person ... but watch what happens when the dog reaches a fork in the road or a corner, the dog will wait and see what the person will do...when he notices that the person makes a turn the dog will then run ahead again ..so who is really leading? ...
R' Yisrael Salanter explains that in the end of days, the leaders will be bunch of cowards and wait to see what the people want....they are like dogs that wait and see where the person is going..."
Meir kin has a few bucks so he’s able to buy himself PR and rabbi’s. He also has a large and valuable antique Judaica collection he displays around the world. Meir Kin’s family is lubavitch but not super hard core. The entire family is a cringe fest.
ReplyDeletekin is a very sick person and unfortunately I don’t see him giving a get.
He allowed his mother’s dead body to lay in a freezer for days until he bribed the chevra kadisha in israel to let him bury her. He gave a fake promise he’d give a get if they buried his mother.
Him and his family are sickos. They keep to themselves so community pressure won’t work. Protest in front of his business and rental units and hurt his pocket.
DIN, thank you for reply. I understand that there is a distinction between shaming a person and actually committing violence in order to obtain a "get". My point however, is where there is merely a threat of violence without actually inflicting injury. Just the threat of violence should be sufficient to render the "get" coercive.
ReplyDeleteThe judge in the George Floyd case agreed that the statements made by Representative Maxine Waters are sufficiently inflammatory as to be grounds for an appeal of the guilty verdict, because the jury may have been intimidated by her threats.
I'm afraid that the mob-like nature of the protests may have crossed the line from shaming into the realm of intimidation, which runs the risk of invalidating any future "get" by Mr. Kin. This is why one should be very, very careful as to how one goes about obtaining consent for a "get".
What do you think?
Cyrano
ReplyDeleteMy own niece was there at that particular protest on my request, and she said that the protest was very peaceful and respectful .... l watched it on real time on zoom.... I heard no one threaten anyone ...
and BTW ..this protest wasn't directly against the menuval... this protest was against the corrupt Bais Din..
Whether a "threat" is considered a problem by a get... is questionable, and could be a legitimate way to get the husband to agree ... it may be illegal in the secular court but may not be an issue in Jewish halachic Bais Din.....in fact threats were used in "gets" in previous generations see teshuvois Noda BeYuda...and Tziz Eliezer
A case against a "threat" in halachic cases can only be used in a case where violence actually occurred, in order to ascertain whether the assailant's intention was to really harm the victim then if that assailant previously threatened the victim then the "threat" would be a case against him ..
here in Israel a person who withholds a get goes to Jail until he gives his wife a get... all Israeli Gedoilim have no problem with this. In fact there is a Gerer chused in jail for years..the rebbe has never said that the get would be invalid.
Meir Kin the "rasha" has stated many times that the "get" is being held by this rogue Bais Din,
so basically according to Kin ..the "get is waiting" ... so he already willingly wrote a get, so what is wrong with threating and forcing the Bais Din to release it?
Unless Kin is a liar.....and never wrote the get...but the Bais Din claims that they do have it ...