Monday, January 4, 2021

FLASHBACK: Democrats object to counting Electoral College votes in 2000 and 2004

The last three times a Republican has been elected President of the United States, Democrats in the House of Representatives have brought objections to the electoral votes the Republican nominee won.

Democrats in the House objected to both of former President George W. Bush's victories in 2000 and 2004 and President Trump's win in 2016.

Last week, Senator Josh Hawley (R- MO) announced he will object to Electoral College certification, which brought swift condemnation from Democrats who praised their own party’s objections to GOP victories in 2000,2004 and 2016.
Millions of voters concerned about election integrity deserve to be heard. I will object on January 6 on their behalf 

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called the Republican’s objections to the 2020 election "conspiracy and fantasy."
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Schumer said, "The effort by the sitting president of the United States to overturn the results is patently undemocratic. The effort by others to amplify and burnish his ludicrous claims of fraud is equally revolting."

"This is America. We have elections. We have results. We make arguments based on the fact and reason—not conspiracy and fantasy," he added. However, Democrats have been challenging the electoral vote for every GOP victory for the last two decades.

In 2005, Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA), along with Representative Stephanie Tubbs (D-OH), objected to Bush's 2004 electoral votes in Ohio.

Democrats praised Boxer's move at the time, including Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL). Yet last week, Durbin described Republican objections as "the political equivalent of barking at the moon."

The political equivalent of barking at the moon. This won’t be taken seriously, nor should it be. The American people made a decision on November 3rd and that decision must and will be honored and protected by the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives. https://t.co/eTGjg3C7NL
— Senator Dick Durbin (@SenatorDurbin) December 30, 2020

In 2005, Durbin said on the Senate floor following Boxer's objection that "Some may criticize our colleague from California for bringing us here for this brief debate. I thank her for doing that because it gives members an opportunity once again on a bipartisan basis to look at a challenge that we face not just in the last election in one State but in many States."

Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), also praised Boxer in 2005. In a press release, Van Hollen said at the time, "I believe that Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH) have performed a very valuable public service in bringing this debate before the Congress. As Americans, we should all be troubled by reports of voting problems in many parts of the country. I have been particularly concerned about the lack of a verifiable paper record in connection with electronic voting systems. I am proud to be a co-sponsor of legislation to solve that problem."

Van Hollen added that he accepted the result of the presidential election that Bush won but said, "It would have been irresponsible to use the certification process to attempt to change that result. Doing so would establish a terrible precedent."

However, on Wednesday Van Hollen said, "Sen. Hawley’s actions are grossly irresponsible. He’s attempting to undermine our democratic process, fuel Trump’s lies about voter fraud, and delay the certification of Biden’s win," Van Hollen said in a tweet. "In the end, this reckless stunt will fail, and Joe Biden will become President on Jan. 20, 2021."

Then Representative Ed Markey (D-MA), who is now a Senator, was one of 31 House members in 2005, to vote in favor of rejecting Ohio's electoral vote.

Wednesday on MSNBC, Markey said Hawley's challenge "...is just an extension of what Donald Trump is trying to perpetrate as a fraud on the American people" and that "there is no basis for any questioning of Joe Biden as our next president."

At a press conference Wednesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said, "I have no doubt that on next Wednesday, a week from today, that Joe Biden will be confirmed by the acceptance of the vote of the Electoral College as the 46th president of the United States."

Yet, in 2005 Pelosi praised Boxer's challenge. "Today we are witnessing Democracy at work. This isn't as some of our Republican colleagues have referred to it, sadly, as frivolous. This debate is fundamental to our democracy," she said at the time. "The representatives of the American people in this house are standing up for three fundamental American beliefs: The right to vote is sacred; that a representative has a duty to represent his or her constituents; and that the rule of law is the hallmark of our nation."

In 2001 and 2017, House Democrats also objected to the certification of the results in favor of Bush and Trump, without support from any senators.

During the 2017 tallying of the Electoral College votes for President Trump’s victory, then-Vice President Biden repeatedly needed to remind Democratic House members who objected to Trump electors that there was no debate allowed in the joint session. After repeatedly banging his gavel as Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), objected to the results, Biden declared, "It is over."

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), said regarding the 2016 election: "I object because people are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our election." She added, "Even with the malfunction of 87 voting machines...," before Biden gaveled her down and her microphone was cut. "The objection cannot be entertained," said Biden.

In 2001, then-Vice President Al Gore shut down Democrats' challenges to Bush's victory. "The objection is in writing and I do not care that it is not signed by a member of the Senate," Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., said in the joint session. "The chair will advise that the rules do care," Gore responded.

No Republicans objected to the former President Barack Obama electors in 2008 or 2012. In 2008 Obama received a standing ovation from both sides of the aisle.

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8 comments:

  1. Flashback. Ted Cruze on Trump 5/3/16. I guess subverting an election means Texas Ted dosent care about defending the Kavod of his wife and his father anymore. What a patriot. Cruz:
    “This man is a pathological liar. He doesn’t know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth, and in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology text book, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying,” Cruz told reporters on May 3. “The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist—a narcissist at a level I don’t think this country’s ever seen.
    “The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him,” Cruz added. “Donald is a bully. … Bullies come from a deep, yawning cavern of insecurity.”

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  2. You must be really depressed if you cannot even muster tepid praise for the orange genuis second 'perfect phone call'. "Gadol Kovod Hasheni Yoser meharishon. Its coming up in Nach Yomi.

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  3. Dear AnalMouse @1:34 & 3;49 …..

    Notice readers ; That undermedicated TDS'ers NEVER EVER can make the case for Biden.. It's always an attack Trump..!! Crazy, no?

    Ted Cruz is an exemplary human being who let bygones be bygones.
    You , on the other hand, are a depressed obsessed Trump hating constipationist who hasn't gotten off the toilet seat since 2016, and read Russian novels, and watch propagandists Der Sturmer liars like CNN, WAPO and the rest of that filth.

    You sound like one of the modern types who sends his little pipsqueak tooter up to squeal Ein Keilokeinu in a huge Tallit to complete the Shabbos service.
    Wow..! Scribbling about Nach & Kovod Hasheinu ….blah, blah.
    So you, a supporter of the Sodomite Devilrat criminals who stole this election, don't even give flatulance if Con Biden and 2-stepping giggling Kurvah get sworn in.
    You , who presumbably wears tfillin , eats kosher , and daffs daily , Nachs Yomi isn't bothered by theft, lies, smears and attempts to remove by coup, a great president.

    So be it..

    You and the rest of the Yiddle Shtinks who, barring a miracle from Hashem , helped demolish our country ; a future of non-genderism, hostility to religion, hostility to Israel , hostility to American Jews, hatred for the USA , will pay a price..
    Yes, the Electoral College will be erased, thanks to an amendment passed by democrat states whom you Yiddle Dee-Rek enthusiastically supported.

    You frummies in the NY area;
    Thousands are exiting from NY and yes, even NEW JERSEY , as we speak.
    You shleppers to Lakewood, Toms River and environs are being abandoned by exiters who are carrying the economy with them. You'll have nothing.
    Yuz Can't outrun Almighty G-D.
    Your fellow DemocRAT avodah zara Bal Peor'im made sure of that.

    Big DemonRat corp donors and staff are scampering to sunny Florida where they'll turn the state BLUE... Hahhhaaa….. Ya think ya'll parade on the boardwalk with the bathing suit/gatches chevra and retire in Gan Eden ?
    Think again...

    Your chevra aided and abetted this Dark Age.

    See above AnalMouse, par exemple..!!

    Derby & Yenk


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  4. Hey Anonymous :
    You gotta point. Didja hear about this rabbi who wants to establish a yeshivish community in Mexico City complete with kosher dining stores, mikvahs, shuls , yeshivas and esrogim centers ? I'm considering hightailing it down there from Dodge City Chicago , Wild West NY etc.
    Know why ?
    Cuz Jewish APFAHLL/MIST like you , helped make it possible. Traitors like you. But where will you run ?? Take your Artscroll along.

    Cha Cha de Chazente

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  5. You're a 2- bit punk , Anonymous.
    His call was legit.. He and 80 million of us were robbed. Georgia is his...
    Trump had Iran on the run , the PLO and BDS on life support , China was going to pay heavy, and Arab countries rushing to deal with Israel. Peace for Israeli Jews a great possibility.
    But you shameless , Nach Yomi punk don't give a rat's putrid ass.
    You and too many like you , don't give a damn . Trump , Trump , Trump is all your rage.A president who's in the pocket of not a single group or lobby. The only honest outsider . You don't care about Jews, Mr. Nach Yomi.. just like your Democrats.

    Millions of Christians support and love Israel, and I respect that. You Nach Yomi Puppick are either indifferent or dislike it outright.
    What does Nach say about Koresh ?
    Sorry ... I got to throw up...
    Later...
    BIM-BAM-GONIE

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  6. 3:49
    So now the "Nach Yoimi" guys (LOL) hate Trump. I see you learned nothing from Nach. I suggest you switch to "siddur yoimi"

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  7. Wow. I havent seen that much frothing at the mouth since old yeller got bit by that rabid 'coon. Maybe all of you can get together at Trump University and figure out how to spell ad hominem.

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  8. 12:45
    You arrogant little "Camela Mamele" Lover .... Was it good for you, too?

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