Sunday, April 26, 2020

Chutz Le'Aaretz Jews are flying loved ones to Israel for burial ....$650,000.00 a pop

 
Guys .... I don't get it ....
You open any of the Fummie News Blogs like Yeshivaworld, Vosisnies , Matzav, etc.... and what do you see?
Ads to help the recent widows, widowers, who have each  left 5- 15 orphans..
My heart goes out because there is no doubt that these families are suddenly thrust into impossible situations.. families have lost their bread winners ..Children have lost their parents ...Husbands have suddenly been left without a wife and means and understanding how they will manage to work and yet take care of babies, toddlers. and teenagers.... It's heartbreaking...Who will help them cope? ..... yes they absolutely need all the help they can get...
Yes please open your hearts and wallets to help these desperate families ...
So how is it that there are people out there chartering private planes to transport their dead loved ones .. spending over $200,000.00 ...  the Jerusalem post said the costs are $650,000.00 ?
They are now trying to hold the dead for a couple of days so they can accumulate more bodies and charter a larger plane to take the costs down ... (I am not kidding)
The usual fee in "normal times is about  $3,000.00 ....I'm told
Yes I know that these people give lots of tzedaakeh and help all those in need ...
I have a cousin that died last week in the US and suddenly I get a text that I can watch the funeral taking place in Yerushalyim on zoom.... 
I naively asked "didn't he die in Florida?"
"oh yes, but he is coming home now"
HE IS COMING HOME??? HOME???
This is crazy and must be stopped ...now!
Multiply that $500,000.00 to about 60, that took place just last week ...
Wouldn't it have been a bigger mitzvah to give that money to the families, so they wouldn't have to humiliate themselves, begging like a bunch of schnorrers on the internet? There are elderly people living by themselves who cannot get out, and who are embarrassed to ask for help ... couldn't that money go to them?
Do you know that Cuomo because of his bungling response in New York sent the sick to nursing homes that killed thousands .....yes you heard that right..over 3,500 thousand people died in nursing homes because Cuomo who was endorsed by all the Heimishe rebbes sent sick Corona Virus people to nursing homes infecting the people already there..
Do you think that some of that money would have been better spent taking out at least the frum residents and to put them up in safe hotels? Like they are doing in Israel?
Is saving a life now on the bottom of the list? I know that the number one mitzvah is to daven with a minyan ... though no Rishon ever  counted davening with minyan as a mitzvah .... not amongst the Biblical and not amongst the Rabbinic mitzvos ..
So now transporting someone who while he was alive could care less about Israel , and would criticise the Zionist State for Chillul Shabbos Gius and Gay Parades, is now a mitzvah worth spending more than $500,000.00??
Is that what Hashem wants? or is that what the dead guy wanted ....?
I have a question for the dead guy.... Now that you are dead, you don't care about Chillul Shabbos and Gay Parades and the IDF Giyus? So now that you cannot breathe the holy air of Eretz Yisrael..... now it's ok to be here? 
I don't get it? 
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On March 25, London resident Leon Simons, 88, started feeling unwell. He was unable to get up from his chair, so he and his wife Deborah were taken to the hospital. Neither was showing any symptoms of the coronavirus, but as a matter of standard practice they were tested for the disease and found to have contracted it.
After two days in the hospital, Leon was feeling better. But as they were about to be released, he suddenly had trouble breathing and was taken to intensive care, where he passed away a few hours later.
Simons wanted to be buried in Israel. Some 20 years ago, he had bought a burial plot at the Eretz Hachaim Cemetery near Beit Shemesh, through the United Synagogue, a union of British Orthodox communities that owns a section there.
“He had made arrangements with them. They knew what was to be done,” his son Michael, a Jerusalem resident who has lived in Israel since 1988, recalled this week. “The whole thing should have been very smooth — except that it happened during this particular time.”
The UK requires a special death certificate before a body can be flown out of the country. But there are also many additional restrictions on transporting someone who died from an infectious disease. For its part, the Israeli Health Ministry requires that people who died from COVID-19 be buried in special body bags, which weren’t available to the chevra kadisha (Jewish burial society) in London at the time, Simons said.
To make things worse, all commercial airlines had stopped flying from the UK to Israel, as a consequence of the unprecedented global turmoil caused by the coronavirus pandemic.
“At first it wasn’t clear at all that it could be done,” Michael Simons said. “No one said it wasn’t a good idea to try and do it. But the rabbi said it might not be possible.”
But eventually, it all worked out. The United Synagogue professional dealing with burials — who happens to be a travel agent — helped deal with the required paperwork and booked a spot for Simons’s body on a cargo flight to Ben Gurion Airport.
Four days after he had succumbed to COVID-19, his final wish was fulfilled. His son Michael and some cousins and friends, all wearing face masks, watched on from several meters away as local chevra kadisha staff lowered his body into the grave and covered it with soil from the Land of Israel.
“It took days of intensive activity from many different people,” Michael said. “A lot of people went out of their way to make this possible.”

Why do it?

The Simonses are not the only ones who faced difficulties in the unique situation caused by the coronavirus pandemic when trying arrange a Holy Land burial for loved ones who passed away abroad. Indeed, many had to freeze their plans to bring their relatives to Israel for burial, instead arranging a temporary burial; some may abandon them altogether.
From the start of February 2020 until late April, 353 bodies (100 Israeli citizens and 253 foreigners) were brought to Israel from abroad for burial, many of them on specially arranged flights, and some making several stopovers on the way when no direct flights to Tel Aviv were available. (Last year, approximately 1,500 Jews were flown to Israel for burial.)
Of those 353 people whose bodies were flown to Israel since the beginning of the pandemic, 55 (10 Israelis and 45 foreigners) had COVID-19, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lior Haiat told The Times of Israel on Thursday. Most of the burials were of Jews from the US, Canada, France, Britain and elsewhere who were not Israeli citizens but whose last wish was to be laid to rest in the Holy Land.
As opposed to Turkey, the Palestinian Authority and others, Israel does not collect data about expats who died from the coronavirus abroad.
There are many reasons why Diaspora Jews want to be buried in Israel: Some believe that the dead will rise at the end of days and want to be closer to the Holy Temple in Jerusalem when it is rebuilt in the Messianic age. Others simply want their graves to be near family members who have moved to Israel.
And even though burial plots in Israel are not cheap (between $10,000-30,000, depending on the location, plus fees), there can be financial reasons. In France, for example, family members have to renew the lease of their loved ones’ burial plots every 30 years or risk them being exhumed and moved to a less desirable location.
These motives have not changed in the face of the current public health crisis. But since global air traffic has almost completed halted since the pandemic broke out, it has become more difficult, and in some cases almost impossible, to transport coffins to Israel.
“People are still doing it. But the number of people doing it has dramatically dropped, strictly because of transportation complications,” said Los Angeles-based Rabbi Benjy Spiro of Chesed Shel Emes, an Orthodox organization assisting Jews with burying their relatives. Most airlines have stopped flying to Israel, and those that still do are hesitant to carry bodies due to the coronavirus, he said. Israel’s national carrier, El Al, on Friday announced that it was willing to carry the bodies of COVID-19 victims from New York to Tel Aviv.)

Temporary solutions

Chesed Shel Emes, which has been operating for 40 years, owns a large cemetery in Woodridge, New York, where it usually lays to rest Jews who have no family members to take care of them or don’t have the financial means to pay for a funeral.
Amid the pandemic outbreak, the organization has temporarily buried some 70 people whose relatives want to bring them to Israel but are currently unable to. Jewish religious law recognizes a concept of burying someone al tnai, which allows them to be exhumed and relocated at a later stage.
“I don’t believe in reality that all 70 will end up going, because there’s a cost and some people might just want to settle and be done with it,” Spiro said. Jewish law requires certain mourning rituals to be repeated if a body is exhumed and moved after an initial burial, even if it was done al tnai.

Private service

Meanwhile, a small number of very wealthy or prominent families are chartering private jets to bring their deceased to a final resting place in Israel.
Earlier this month, Chesed Shel Emes organized a private flight from Westchester County Airport, north of New York City, to Ben Gurion carrying the bodies of four people who died from COVID-19. They included Rabbi Yosef Kalish, who was known as the Amshinover Rebbe; Rabbi David Olewski, who headed the Talmud academy of the Gerer, or Gur, Hasidic sect and who, while on a respirator, said his last wish was to be buried in Israel; and a 62-year-old well-known member of Jerusalem’s Ultra-Orthodox community who had traveled to the US to raise funds.
In ordinary times, bringing a coffin on an El Al flight from North America to Ben Gurion Airport costs about $3,000 (about NIS 10,000). To arrange a private jet from New York to Israel, mourners have to spend more than $200,000 (about NIS 710,000), Spiro said, which is why his organization is currently trying to charter a large plane that can carry many bodies, hoping to make it more affordable for relatives to send their loved ones to Israel. According to reliable reports in the Jerusalem Post the cost is $650,000.00 

Amid the coronavirus pandemic, members of the Chesed Shel Emes organizations are transporting the body of a Jewish person onto a privately chartered plane on its way to Israel for burial, April 2020 (courtesy Chesed Shel Emes)
The enormous cost involved in transporting dead bodies to Israel has led some to deride organizations dealing with this as a money-making “industry.”
But Simons, who paid about NIS 20,000 for the various bureaucratic and logistic efforts made to bring his father from London to Beit Shemesh, didn’t feel he was exploited. “The feeling I got was that the people involved were doing this for the sake of doing a good deed as much as anything else,” he said.

11 comments:

  1. @din ur stupid and a moron...that's why u don't get it. Yes for some people - that actually give a flip and respect Judaism - unlike u - their biggest dream is to be buried in Israel - the chosen land. So yes they will go outta their way and do whatever they can to get buried there.

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  2. @anonymous totally agree to you. Screw u din.

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  3. To Anonymous 2:44
    Yea maybe it's their biggest dream, but at some point Rabonim should decide what the real halocho is, knowing that the Zoihar states that one should not be buried in Eretz Isroel unless he actually lived there.

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  4. anonymous. Check sources that write against bringing dead there from diasporah lands.. It's bringing tumah into the land. It's eretz hachayim and if people don't want to live there then theyre hypocrites.

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  5. https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/angry-rabbi-says-he-had-to-lock-dangerous-worshippers-out-of-shul-1.498362

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  6. https://matzav.com/watch-nyc-nurse-says-our-new-york-hospitals-are-killing-their-patients/

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  7. @zako @anonymous7:15 U guys are both fools and really unintelligent. Ur comments have nothing to do with this conversation. U guys are bringing random sources that we don't pasken like.

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  8. The "random" sources are in chazal and in midrashim by amaroum, and you call it random.
    At least you're consistent because amost every rishon says it's a mitzvah to LIVE in Israel.
    So it comes out you don't pasken like anybody.So why is it impirtant to you to buried there and not live there?
    Qe know your answer. It's hypocritical.

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  9. @din u were right with ur first evaluation. I checked into it...its $1,000,000 to charter in a flight from ny to Israel now. And usually theres five bodies aboard...so u split it five way its $200,000 a person.

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  10. Burial in Eretz Yisroel should be only for residents not for anyone from abroad; there aren't enough plots for citizens

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  11. @chaim shutup and go shtup urself. Its for ALL yiden........

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