I don't get it?
Didn't we all stand at Har Sinai when Hashem gave us the Torah?
What Happened??
According to Rav Tuvia Weiss and Rav Moshe Sternbuch it's an "Issur Do'oriiseh" to vote in the upcoming Zionist elections.....and whoever does vote is condemned to hell..
According to Rav Chaim Kanieveski, Ger, Viznitz, Biala, Mozhzitz, Alexander, and the Agudah ... it's a "Mitzvas Aseh".....to vote and whoever doesn't vote is condemned to hell ...
Now this is amongst the Chareidim themselves....
Is it any wonder that no one person takes whatever they say seriously?
Is it any wonder that thousands are leaving the fold?
Is it any wonder that we who want the truth are totally confused??
I would understand that the Gedoilim would say that ... voting or not voting is only their opinion....
But one side says that voting is equivalent to Avodeh Zarah, Meenis and outright Apikorsas, while the other side says that it is a Mitzvah???
Which is it??
These are not "bal batim" voicing this ... these are our Gedoilei Yisrael ...
They say "don't vote" ...then they are upset that there is Chillul Shabbos!
Then you have a group of Chassidishe leaders in the US .... Chareidim, mind you... that say that it is prohibited to live in Israel and they actually bring support from Gemmarrah and Rishonim ....unbelievable!!
There is a Rabbi who is the leading spokesman for the Anti Zionists, a guy who has been accused of sexually molesting women who publishes a book called "The Empty Wagon" that spews hate against his brothers and sisters who support Zionists, with such hatred, that would put Adolf Eichmann to shame ...and his book is a best seller!!
He brings support to his bizarre theories from previous Gedoilim....
these theories all proved to be nothing but theories ...they are now totally irrelevant and actually laughable!
And the facts on the holy ground of Israel is obvious, a country that has the majority of the Jews living there, more Torah learning in Israel than anywhere in the entire world ....and people continue to read this trash
The book is sold openly in Eichlers, Judaica Plus and other "holy" book stores!
You have Gedoilim who live and take and enjoy benefits of Israeli Society ....who then turn around and stab their own governments in the back .... No hakoras ha'toiv...
We stood at Sinai together????
I'm beginning to doubt that!
Is it any wonder that we are still in Galus?
ה' יעזור
DIN, with all due respect, I don't understand what you are saying.
ReplyDeleteIs this the first time you heard of a machlokes in halacha? The gemara is full of them.
With all due respect, dus is himself chareidi, he just probably doesnt like being called that.
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ReplyDeleteYou are 100% correct the "gemarrah is full of them" absolutely!
But no one calls the other side "meenis and apikorsas"
This started with Satmar actually ...
the other side and those who support the opposing view are apikorsim!
In the Talmud (Jewish New Testament) the debate is about halacha (Jewish Law). They all had sources of income outside of religion.
ReplyDeleteThese are people who use religion for money, power and ... That's why you have all the propaganda, intimidation and Daas Torah (religious rulings) are sold to the highest bidders.
Its a no brainer that the chassidim mostly the satmerers are frauds fakes they do say one thing and the exact opposite
ReplyDeleteMeant to write they say one thing and do the exact opposite
ReplyDeleteJancsibacsi,
ReplyDeleteyou MARMAROSHER HUNGARIAN FERD,you have no idea what this discussion is all about,so please don't mix in,when grown ups are talking little foolish children should not mix in
Dear DIN,
ReplyDeleteYou just don't get it. The content of what gedoilim say is completely irrelevant; what is important is that A GODOL SAID IT. WHO not WHAT. Did you know that HaGaon HaGadol HaAdir Hatzadik Kanedelborshtmamaligagorshinovski says that all petakim in the ballot boxes with the letter GIMEL have to be put into genizah (after they are counted of course). [He's the same guy who said that all toothpicks have to be inspected with a magnifying glass for bugs before you put them in your mouth because as is well-known tree trunks are full of bugs.]
Anonymous--, 2019 at 11:41 PM
ReplyDeleteLooks like i touched a nerve everytime i write here you cant resist to attack me like a tziwildevete haye as i wrote before anyone who pretends to be rightous and lies in your face or says one thing and does the exact opposite is a fraud and the satmerers and other chassidim match that descripton especially in matters of halacha
DIN
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect. Why do you give the commentator of September 11, 2019 at 10:12 AM a forum to spread his apikorsus?
What realy is an AVAIRA an unforgivable SIN,is when hundreds of thousands frum Jews live in their homeland that God promised them,and that land is sorounded by tens of millions blood thirsty murderous enemies who declare openly their aim is to murder every Jewish man woman and child,and the only thing preventing another holocaust are the brave young men of ZAHAL who are ready to give their lives to protect their families and brothers and sisters and their land,
ReplyDeleteAnd hundreds of thousands so called chareidis and their REBBES RABBONIM ROSHEY YESHIVAS will not lift a finger and help defend themselves and their own families ,and tell the rest of the population you go and send your children to shed their blood ,but us ,no we are much better than that we will sit at home and pray,
What a CHILLUL HASHEM ,you guys are nothing but TRAITOROUS COWARDS this has nothing to do with relgion,it is the anthesises of religion ,there is absolutely no excuse for this criminal and treasonous behavior
11:41, what happened? Jancsibacsi sounded like an average person speaking up? You feel threatened by it that they are not fools anymore?
ReplyDeleteIt's a no brainer who the ferd (fool/jerk) is.
Tom Dick and Harry, Talmud just writes simple and well known facts. You label that apikorsus (blasphemy)?
ReplyDeleteBut people who "use religion for money, power and ... Then sell their Avoida Zora (idol worship) with propaganda, intimidation. And sell Daas Torah (religious rulings) to the highest bidders" that is not apikorsus (blasphemy)?
"B'ikvasa D'mashicha Chutzpa Yasga" ("In the footsteps of the Messiah the hypocrisy will be mind blowing")
Gam dus is der groisser chutzpanyanker.
ReplyDeleteBecause hes a Frum guy, basically a good guy, has a little bit, I dont know what to call it, perhaps some sort of anger, whether it's from his lot in life or hes just that kind of guy.
It makes 0 sense why a frum shomer torah umitzvos yid has a website dedicated to lashon hara.
That is the chutzpa, it's such a gross, blatant stirah.
11:06 Zeeeeeeee (i may have missed an "e")
ReplyDelete#1..... According to the CC it's not Loshon Harah because all this has already been printed in the Israeli Chareidie and blogs ....all I'm doing is adding my 2 cents which is if you can believe it very tame and civil compared what is written by Hapeles, Yated and the new newspaper "Chadash"
#2 According to the CC .. you Mr Zeeeeeeee is as guilty as me since you are reading it .........
the "listener" is as guilty as the "talker"
#3 Even if you should say that it is in fact Loshon Harah.... I'm allowed according to the CC, to post this since it's a "toeeles" .......
How so?
The "hamoin am" should get their own "daas Torah "" "aseh le'cha rav"
there is no point in listening to the "gedoilim" that you aren't even hearing , it's the "askanim" ...they are telling you that the "gedoilim" are saying this and that .......
And living here in Israel ... the regulare Joe Shmo can't decipher what is correct ....
according to the opinions of the "gedoilim" you "go to hell" if you vote and you go "to hell" if you don't ...
if you listen to the wisdom of DIN .... you will see thru this crap ...and you will rum to your own rav ...
I know a "gadol" when I see him ... I've learned by "gedoilim" and I saw how they behave .....
Is rav chaim a gadol
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