Why is it, that regular "chilonim" who hate frumkeit, would never even think of doing something like this?
Why is it only "Chareidim' who go OTD, that would burn their Tefillin??
Just a few years ago a Satmar OTD girl posed naked wearing tefillin???
Where does this utter contempt of whats sacred come from???
I believe that the hypocrisy of our Gedoilim and leaders are responsible for this.... and I suggest we start working on this pronto!
Most people who go OTD don’t burn their tefillin. Most just abandon their religion because they become disabused of the distortion and lies measured out to them by their rabbeim. Some raise their voice and protest the craziness imposed on them by an unschooled and hidebound “gedolim. Some want a secular education , some want to disencumber their minds from the crazy regimentation imposed on them. Most don’t burn their tefillin.
ReplyDeleteThose that do must have suffered terribly under religiously oppressive regimes.
DIN why is that your so dumb?
ReplyDeleteYou have a one track mind, and see things full of hate.
Your a typical OTD klux Klan wizard
"Why is it only Chareidim"?
ReplyDeleteIt isn't. I thought you said you were Chareidi?
Liar... People should stop reading your shtus.
Chilonim would not burn tefillin but the reason for their hatred of chareidim, as you put it, is not what chareidim believe, it’s what they do. They’re trying to transform a democratic Israel into a theocratic state.
ReplyDeleteChilonim feel that a Chareidi theocratic state will be an existential threat to Israel’s existence. If you can’t convince Chilonim by intellectual persuasion to submit to the yoke of halacha, rather than through coercion,then there’s something very wrong with your religion. How’s that working out for the chiloni citizens of Iran?
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5081244,00.html
If a nazi or kkk did that the world would go crazy
ReplyDeleteInteresting, Abe...
ReplyDeleteall we could do is cry
ReplyDeletethis vedio is so sad
is there anyone that knows who he is so we could help him.he needs a lot of help and love.
he is in pain he definitely did not do this with bad attention.
I am sure the rabba of chabad and hrav Steinman ztl would say he is a Jewish boy let's give him love that he did not get till now.
let's all pray that all boys and girl that are in pain should feel close to us and not feel rejected.
with love to klal yisroel
The main reason why Chilonim don't burn their Tefillin is that they generally don't have Tefillin to burn! They are also less likely to have had negative experiences with religion as they haven't been brought up with it. This unfortunate ex-Charedi (who is by the way only one person out of many ex-Charedim; I wouldn't build a whole theory on an isolated incident), no doubt he has a lot of resentment and bitterness towards the values he was brought up with; without knowing his personal history we can think of all sorts of reasons as to why he is so bitter towards his past, but we won't know anything for sure. I wish him to get past his pain and move on to a better, more constructive life.
ReplyDeleteThese weren't real teffilin, kid still loves Hashem with all of his heart
ReplyDeleteThis kid needs meds & love
ReplyDeleteB"H
ReplyDeleteIt is so nice to see all these commenters actually dan this kid l'kaf zchus and talk about things in a good light.
Please keep it up, my dear brethren, and may Hashem help him and everyone else going through struggles in life.
Kol Tuv!
I know many who have gone off the derech. none who burned their tefillen. Why would they? what does their tefillen have to do with anything? this is a clearly crazy act by a vilde chaya
ReplyDeleteBetter just to sell them and recover the money ($400 and up) if they're just useless objects to him.
ReplyDeleteWe'd be smarter to ask why he did it rather than to be shocked by his action.
Somewhere the guy was hurt badly. Left untreated, it becomes anger.
And he either took out his anger at something that represents God to him, or by doing something that would hurt those who hurt him.
Publicizing it could have also been a call for help (as hard as that is to believe).
Clearly his religion was/is no path to happiness. I hope he gets out of whatever cult he's in and finds peace in his life (with or without tefillin).
B"H
ReplyDeleteMr. C_D, Yes, it would be a good idea to find out the reason why. Perhaps he did have a bad experience. And it is important to pay attention to that. But that does not reflect on anything as a whole -- merely some individuals.
His religion -- no matter what sect -- is the same as ours. Yiddishkeit. I hope he finds the true light of Yiddishkeit and find peace in his life, WITH Tefillin. Without, C"V, he won't. It sounds like a generalization, but being non-religious, C"V will never bring you joy or peace in your life. Maybe for a few moments; months, or whatever. But certainly not lasting. You must have the Torah as the Centerpiece for your life. That is joy. As one of my great Rebbeim shlit"a once said; "If we want Simcha in life, Simcha is in Torah."
May Hashem help him and everyone else struggling to come back on the proper path of Judaism for them, whether that be in Chassidus, Mussar, Zionism, etc. But certainly in Torah.
Kol Tuv all!
Aish,
ReplyDelete"But that does not reflect on anything as a whole -- merely some individuals."
Perhaps the whole of Bnei Brak extremist brand Judaism doesn't serve him.
"His religion -- no matter what sect -- is the same as ours. Yiddishkeit."
Nonsense. Judaism is not a monolithic and homogeneous religion... despite the repeated lie that it is. Some people think Lev Tahor is Judaism, but it's really just a dangerous cult. And there are enough differences between Satmar and MO to make one think they are different (or diverging) religions. And let's not forget Chabad who hides their own Christian-like beliefs from the naive masses they call "fellow Jews" (who are really just funding pawns).
There is no universal religion called "Yiddishkeit" beyond the fantasy in your head. Much of it has been concocted and distorted by the rabbis that people worship as if they were God. And the same applies to your delusion that there is no joy without Torah. As if a non-Jew was incapable of having joy in life.
If this guy's version of a "life of Torah" is painful for him, then he should dump it for a version that works for him. Even if that means none at all.
You're just like practitioners of other religions who insist theirs is the only way. You only give the appearance of flexibility with inserts like "Chassidus, Mussar, Zionism, etc."
God is really, really, really big. It can handle this young man trading his tefillin for a life he loves and peace of mind.
It's just the puny religionist that feels a need to manipulate this young man into conformity.
If some form of religion works for this guy, great. If not, he should seek meaning through other means.
DIN, vus da...?
ReplyDelete"I think we need to work on this, pronto", you say?! I think u need to work on yourself pronto. This is almost the height of hypocrisy. I dont know how most people on here don't deem you a rasha and leave.
Seriously.
B"H
ReplyDeleteMr. C_D: To see your comments drifting the way they are is very hard... Things must be very much harder for you...
No matter what kind of Judaism people practice, it is still Judaism. There are, yes, some twisted ways, R"L, but there is still Eilu Vi'Eilu. There are many different good ways. But they ALL must be within the realm of Torah (see Chiddushei Rav Yosef Nechemya, I believe, on Parshas Terumah). Hashem is very, very big. And He still loves this guy dearly! But He is severly pained by anyone leaving religion. Leaving religion doesn't mean becoming Modernishe from Chareidishe. It means not keeping the Torah anymore, C"V and R"L.
I do not pretend to be flexible. I try not to have a "my way or the highway" attitude...
This young man should not dump Torah, Chas V'Shalom. But he needs to find the Light of Yiddishkeit. Clearly he had some experiences that covered the Light up. But it's still there. And it is from Hashem and His Torah.
Non-Jews have joy. Just often not true joy. Not lasting joy. That is only from connecting to and serving Hashem. Of course some do. Some serve Hashem!
But is drinking and sleeping with women true joy? No! (Forgive the example, but it goes for any type of non-Torah joy). It might last a few minutes, or whatever, but the person will end up in unhappiness. If not in this World then in the Next.
And you can believe me. I had struggles with this when I was around 14 years of age, I think...
I hope you too find the true Light of Yiddishkeit.
Aish,
ReplyDelete"To see your comments drifting the way they are is very hard... Things must be very much harder for you..."
The less I become a slave to theological nonsense, the easier things are and happier I am.
I don't need my life mapped out for me by some rabbi or so-called "gadol" to connect with God.
We celebrate our freedom from slavery every year. But oddly the most "religious" "authorities" in Judaism see individuals who shed parts of religion they find oppressive, and those individuals are labeled with a very interesting pejorative term. "Frei" (free). How odd is that? The Torah tells us to commemorate our freedom from slavery, and our religious "authorities" detest those who exercise their free will to escape religious oppression and coercion, essentially religious slavery. If I wanted a life of oppression and religious slavery, I'd convert to extremist Islam.
"Hashem is very, very big. And He still loves this guy dearly! But He is severly pained by anyone leaving religion. Leaving religion doesn't mean becoming Modernishe from Chareidishe. It means not keeping the Torah anymore, C"V and R"L. "
You feel God's pain? You feel God's joy? You are qualified to speak for God?
And if so, how?
"God want this, and God wants that..."
Regardless of what religion says, you have no idea of what "God wants" or what God "feels," and it's arrogant for you to believe that you do.
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"Non-Jews have joy. Just often not true joy. Not lasting joy. That is only from connecting to and serving Hashem. Of course some do. Some serve Hashem!
But is drinking and sleeping with women true joy? No! (Forgive the example, but it goes for any type of non-Torah joy). It might last a few minutes, or whatever, but the person will end up in unhappiness. If not in this World then in the Next."
So the vodka saturated Chabad rabbi experiences true joy while the vodka saturated non-Jew has a cheaper, unreal version of joy? Again, nonsense. They're both alcoholics. And "joy" is not "happiness." They are different things.
Also, you use alcohol and sex as examples of cheap "goyish" pleasures. It reveals what you think of non-Jews. But I know many non-Jews who have FAR greater levels of chesed, FAR greater levels of compassion for ALL people, and exercise FAR greater service to humanity than most of the self-righteous black-hatted jerks who delude themselves thinking they are serving God with tefillin and shachrit lip-service. I know non-Jews who value modesty and don't feel a need to blot out women's faces in publications.
When religious ritual or extremism becomes more important than helping a human being (of any culture) then the religion is screwed up.
As a side note, thanks to a haredi rabbi's hateful speech in my son's school, my son has decided he no longer wants to be a part of the bearded, black-hatted Judaism that rebbi represents. He'll likely leave his tefillin at home when going off to college. They won't be burned, nor sold. They'll just gather dust. It's far better that my kid wants to put on tefillin once out of expression of love for God than to put them on thousands of times daily because some hate-filled so-called "religious authority" tells him he has to or else he'll 'anger' God. And I'd say the same for the young man in the thread topic. When a religion becomes loathsome it becomes useless and worthless; a liability, not a benefit. A person forced to 'serve God' is not serving God.
B"H
ReplyDeleteMr. C_D, I have one line and it answers most of your comment -- if you look closely. And we have this as a fact: 'Ein licha ben chorin elah mi she'oseik baTorah'.
Aside from that, It is indeed no different a Chabad Rebbe alcoholic than a Goyish alcoholic. What could be the difference unless the Chabadnik is using it for some kind of Torah-Simcha, and TRULY LiShmah?... I don't drink alcohol. For Kiddush we use an alternative...
I don't have a low opinion of Goyim. Actually, I know a lot of very friendly and good ones! Please don't get me wrong...
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Tefillin are a Commandment, and putting them on is part of serving Hashem.
I truly think that if you looked into the Mussar Movement, you might see that you would like it... If you don't see why, I can explain...
Kol Tuv, my friend, and I wish you and your family much Beracha V'Hatzlacha!
P.S. I don't know what Hashem thinks, but we know what He wants with regards to Mitzvah observance...
The boy has no sensitivity towards others' religious beliefs. Even if he accepts nothing at all of Jewish ritual, culture, faith, etc he doesn't have to destroy what others find so dear to their heart and soul. There is no word or justification on earth to explain or describe such cruelty.
ReplyDelete8:08 AM,
ReplyDelete"There is no word or justification on earth to explain or describe such cruelty."
If it's his personal property, he can do what he wants with them.
Yes he can (in private maybe) but to do it so blatantly, and in public, to protest or to show his contempt, can surely not be right.
ReplyDelete11:07 AM,
ReplyDelete"blatantly, and in public, to protest or to show his contempt"
Which is precisely the reason he did it. Look, I think it's wasteful (when he can cash out and someone else can benefit from using them). Selling them would be ideal. But it was more than that to him. It was a statement he felt very strongly about making. So I think that asking why he feels as he does is far more important than any offense we may feel watching ritual objects destroyed.
If it leads to an answer, and a solution (even better) that helps this young man, then his actions can ultimately be considered good. It could save others from going through the difficulty that he's facing.
Look, I also think 'gay parades' are stupid. Just like I would feel 'hetero parades' are stupid. After all, who needs to parade their sexuality? It's silly... EXCEPT in the case of fighting for rights.
It would be nice to be in a world where we don't need sexual topic parades, and don't feel a need to make statements by burning objects like tefillin. But until we have a world where such people have a level of peace of mind and a means of solving their problems to their satisfaction, we may see more of both.
B"H
ReplyDeletePowerful last paragraph, my friend. Gut Voch. How was Shabbos?
Thank you, Aish.
ReplyDeleteA good week to you too. Shabbos was great. I hope you had a great one too.
B"H
ReplyDeleteBaruch Hashem it was good! Always good family time, B"H, and I continued in Gemara Taanis L'lui Nishmas a man from Kew Gardens Hill who died very young.