It is not shver that the accusers did not come earlier for two reasons. They could have repressed their pain out of trauma. Or they could have been part of general Hippie free sex movement in the '70s who had a hard time determining where consensual crosses into assault.
The kashya is much better however in the case of Donald Trump since all the accusers are fanatics for Hillary. The Rishonim say that we believe accusers unless they are enemies of the accused as they definitely are in Trump's case.
consensual reformed int0 assault once he was gone, and once these girlie fans who consented because old toothless hags and regretted what they consented. What do Rishonim say about that?
So what? Zalman Schachter was sent by the Rebbi but kicked out when he started promoting LSD use, before going completely off to start a non-orthodox movement. Shmuely Boteach was also a shaliach until he started embezzling money & talking like a potty mouth. And there was also an ex-shaliach in Russia who was caught on tape having sex with a goyishe zoyna. An Ohio shaliach given the boot after his arrest for soliciting same. And Rubashkin son in law Weiss thrown out for molesting a boy in the Albany mikva.
We can't judge Shlomo Carlebach. We were not in his situation. Let Hashem do that. We can see the good side he had with all his beautiful niggunim and ask Hashem to have mercy for him and klal Yisrael.
Do you believe the Lilith Magazine expose that he was a sexual predator?
ReplyDeletewho's Lilith? if true, why didn't the accusers come out when he was alive?
ReplyDeleteIt is not shver that the accusers did not come earlier for two reasons. They could have repressed their pain out of trauma. Or they could have been part of general Hippie free sex movement in the '70s who had a hard time determining where consensual crosses into assault.
ReplyDeleteThe kashya is much better however in the case of Donald Trump since all the accusers are fanatics for Hillary. The Rishonim say that we believe accusers unless they are enemies of the accused as they definitely are in Trump's case.
so once the accused is not alive, the repression comes out suddenly.
ReplyDeleteconsensual reformed int0 assault once he was gone, and once these girlie fans who consented because old toothless hags and regretted what they consented. What do Rishonim say about that?
ReplyDeleteso they had a hard time determining assault from consensual. I don't believe it and neither do you. I bet the Rishonim don't believe it either.
ReplyDeleteThe head of the female shaydim is called Lilith
ReplyDeleteYou know, Reb Carelbach was one of the first shluchim of the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt"l.
ReplyDeleteSo what? Zalman Schachter was sent by the Rebbi but kicked out when he started promoting LSD use, before going completely off to start a non-orthodox movement. Shmuely Boteach was also a shaliach until he started embezzling money & talking like a potty mouth. And there was also an ex-shaliach in Russia who was caught on tape having sex with a goyishe zoyna. An Ohio shaliach given the boot after his arrest for soliciting same. And Rubashkin son in law Weiss thrown out for molesting a boy in the Albany mikva.
ReplyDeleteIt is a special thing. And he didn't do that stuff....
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ReplyDeleteU the satmar ant-Zionist defender, right?
Rat sniffer
ReplyDelete10,25 is the pro-satmer, anti-Zionist, and anti-Lubavitch guy, so he's always bashing Lubavitch.
We can't judge Shlomo Carlebach. We were not in his situation. Let Hashem do that. We can see the good side he had with all his beautiful niggunim and ask Hashem to have mercy for him and klal Yisrael.
ReplyDeleteHe was a very special man. You know that his Rebbeim (or at least some of them) really wanted him to stay in learning because he was that good.....
ReplyDeleteOh, and 8:16, very true statement. Thank you.