Listen to the Yokeh Rav z"l tell the Liska Rebbe (2:32 mark) that he advised R'Yoel Teitelbaum not to print his book V'yoel Moshe, because the book will play into the hands of Ben Gurion....
R' Yoel Teitelbaum, founder of the Satmar anti-Zionist cult, wrote a book in which he tells frum Jews not to make Aliyah (defying the Ramban that wrote that Yishuv Eretz Yisroel is a Mitzvah bizman hazeh) ...
The Yoka Rav suggested that Ben Gurion will love that idea!
of course R' Yoel didn't take his advice kdarko be'koidesh. R' Yoel never took advice from anyone .....
R' Yoel Teitelbaum, founder of the Satmar anti-Zionist cult, wrote a book in which he tells frum Jews not to make Aliyah (defying the Ramban that wrote that Yishuv Eretz Yisroel is a Mitzvah bizman hazeh) ...
The Yoka Rav suggested that Ben Gurion will love that idea!
of course R' Yoel didn't take his advice kdarko be'koidesh. R' Yoel never took advice from anyone .....
4:36 his answer was edited I would live to hear what the Yoke Ruv said.
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ReplyDeleteYour comment is a typical Satmar response
"R' Teichtal went crazy"
"Kaszner didn't save the Rebbe, the Rebbe saved Kastner"
"the Rebbe never told anyone to stay in Europe before WW2"
"the Rebbe had a great relationship with his brother the Azai Chayim"
"Rav Henkin went crazy"
etc etc etcThis will not work anymore ....
the video is very clear ....
Gevaldig, can you get more stupider than you are already? When the sefer VaYoel Moshe was written your Gadol and Posek hador the Joker Rav was a young ravela in his 30's and the Satmar Ruv who could of been his grandfather being about 40 years older had no one to get advice from only from some tzutzik when we still had REAL rabbanim twice senior his age? And from all the Rabbonim you couldn't find any other daas Torah only from the great giant the HERR RABINER FROM JOKA? NEBECH NEBECH WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS, AND BTW CV I KNEW HIM PERSONALLY WE USED TO EAT BREAKFAST MANY YEARS TOGETHER IN ONE OF THE SHOPS HE SUPPOSEDLY GAVE THE HASHGACHA.....
ReplyDeleteIsn't the Lisker the father of Ezra the Kapo?
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ReplyDeleteThe answer is yes!
7:55
Didn't the The Satmar Rebbe ask the "tzutzik" what his opinion was about his then just released "sefer"?
It seems that R' Yoilish valued the opinion of the "tzutzik"
And didn't R' Yoilish when he himself was a young "tzutzik" curse Gedoilei hador that didn't agree with?
The fact of the matter is that The Satmar Rov always sought Halachic advice from The Yoker Rov out of respect for his keen knowledge in Talmudic jurisprudence & exegesis ...
ReplyDeleteWhen the Ungvarer Rov Reb Menashe Klein was asked about his opinion about the Vayoel Moshe ... his answer was ... "Nit amohl far Pirem Toireh is ez git" ... i.e. it is not even fitting for Purim Torah ...
ReplyDeleteMegaleh ponim baTorah shelo KaHalacha ...
Siman 75 in Even HaEzer does not exist according to the Vayoel Moshe ...
Siman 75 in Even Haezer recapitulated by the Pitchei Teshuva clearly says that there is a Mitzvah of Yishuv HaAretz bizman hazeh & clearly the husband or the wife may force each other to go up to Eretz Yisrael ... she may lose the Ketubah & the wife may force a get on the husband ...
In the SEFER "KRAINA D'UGRASA from the Steipler z"L,there is letter from him concerning Satmar rav's PSAK ,that sitting in the Knesset and participating in the elections is "BYEHEROG VAL YAAVOR" says the STEIPLER whoever said this is a MEGALE PANIM BETORAH SHELO KEHALOCHA".
ReplyDeleteunfortunately these two books (will not dignify it calling them sefarim) the VYOEL MOSHE and AL HAGULAH are not only PURIM TORAHS,but they managed to poison the minds of tens of thousands of young Jews with a pathological and abnormal hatred to our God given holy ERETZ YISROEL,we can see the vicious poisonous snakes Satmar has spawned in the form of the Neturei Karta crazies as they demonstrate together with the Arabs and Iranians and openly call for the destruction of Eretz Yisroel and it's seven million Jews'
CH.S
to that carachter who said he ate together with him brakefast in the store he supposedly gave a hagacha, that mean you ate without a hechsher... you put your fat sakmere foot in your mouth.
ReplyDeleteSome true grobeh yingen and ameratzim are operating (and commenting on) this blog
ReplyDeleteThe holy Rebbe zt'l NEVER paskened on whether these days there is or isn't the mitzvah of Yishuv EY. NEVER.
Look up in the sefer Vayoel MOshe and only THEN comment.
To make it easier for you ignoramuses (or ignorami) start learning (Maamar Yishuv Eretz YIsroel) from chapter 133 (page 344 in the original edition) where he summarises the Mitzvah and the 13 conditions required - according to those who do call it a Mitzvah.
After having studied this summary of the entire maamar - then tell us again what the rebbe's views truly were.
Dear Levesh Bacsi ...
ReplyDeleteThe Magnum Opus of Rabeini HaKudesh VaHatuher namely Vayoel Moshe is based on Rabeinu Chaim in Tosafos in Kesubos 110b which says that today is no Mitzvah of Yishuv HaAretz since it is hard to fulfill the mitzvos Hatluyos BaAretz ... it is a Shitas Yachid ... many meforshim say that some of his talmidim misquoted Rabeinu Chaim ... nevertheless no one paskens like him except the ubiquitous & pristine Rabeini HaKudesh ...
Sam Kay (strange you picked that nom-de-plum, I know a Sam Kay who others call Meshugener)
ReplyDeleteI repeat:
The holy Rebbe zt'l NEVER paskened on whether these days there is or isn't the mitzvah of Yishuv EY. NEVER.
...start learning (Maamar Yishuv Eretz YIsroel) from chapter 133 (page 344 in the original edition) where he summarises the Mitzvah and the 13 conditions required - according to those who do call it a Mitzvah.
After you have done this, maybe you should apologise for publicly lying about the Rebbe's views
Bob
ReplyDeleteYou are trying to mislead ... I don't give two bits on what Reb Yoel wrote in his comic book
Let's see what he actually said
He said that it is prohibited to live in Eretz Yisroel until Moshach comes
This craziness was not made up by him he is just quoting his grandfather the Iheler Rebbe the Yismaxh Moshe that paskened legal aches that one is prohibited to make Aliyah
And the Yismach Moshe paskened like that way before Zionism
It's a family of מרגלים and ערב רב
When the Lev HaIvri Harav Akiva Yosef Schlesinger Rabbi of Pressburg, Hungary now Bratislava, Slovakia made Aliyah to Jerusalem ... The Yismach Moshe told him to stay in Hungary & promised him a position as a Rabbi in a city in Hungary ... The Lev Haivri retorted ... "I don't need a Shtelle i.e. job I want to go Eretz Yisroel" ... Yismach Moshe was very angry at him & he told his people not to support Rabbi Schlesinger monetarily ... All this is way before Herzl & Zionism ...
ReplyDeleteYou see the vindictive obstinacy of the Transylvanian Dynasty to Eretz Yisroel dating back over 200 years ...