tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post7762742710958472590..comments2024-03-29T03:23:34.415+03:00Comments on DUS IZ NIES !! Rare View...: Der Yid, Satmar Newspaper accuses IDF of murdering Hadar Goldin, soldier that was murdered by Hamas and kidnappedDusiznieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-83347522507433734932014-08-21T16:34:28.976+03:002014-08-21T16:34:28.976+03:00You're dumb and a liar. Very few Jews were Zio...You're dumb and a liar. Very few Jews were Zionists, the sinah to Yidden extend from Har Sinai, and just keep ignoring thousands of pogroms and millions of murders before Zionists. What your dumb brain doesn't get is that we're hated because we're Jews and have a relationship with G-D, not because of Zionism which is an excuse. Before that it was not accepting Jesus, or racial or something else. Idiot, the Nazis accused Jews of being in control of the system, economy and governments in the European countries. What the Zionists wanted, you idiot, is just the opposite. To get away from there because of these lies.<br /> This Israeli malchus was ordained by G-D and if you don't accept it you're a koifer and apikoirus. Had the frummies immigrated there they would have been the majority but still hated by the Arabs. Sinah against Jews will exist till Moshiach.<br />6 million Jews were murdered before the state, those who made Aliyah were saved, those that opposed it died. Millions more were murdered and chased out of countries before the Zionists. You lost your argument because Israel is a lifesaver.Millions have made aliyah and more are coming. You'r a rasha to rebel against G-D's will.The majority of Jews reject your insane lies and lashan hora.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-52105439917042678512014-08-21T16:03:49.731+03:002014-08-21T16:03:49.731+03:00And rightfuly so, the zionists instigated sinas yi...And rightfuly so, the zionists instigated sinas yisroel all over the world, claiming that Jews are not loyal to the countries they live in, and are a danger to the lands, thereby by and large bringing out the inherent natrual sinas yisroel thats imbedded in most gentiles, so yes there you have it, the zionists have a major part in the inahalation of more than 6 million Jews, dam shel millionim bnei yisroel is what it cost to establish the malchus harishaa, and is still costing nafshos yisroel rachmanalutzlon kimat on a daily basis, sinas yisroel is rampant and growing, and much more open these days on an alarming scale as never before since ww2,, all on account of national zionism, and this is happening all over the world, including the malchus shel chesed the USA, hashem yerachem Al amo veal artzo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-5213506784649622182014-08-21T14:32:02.873+03:002014-08-21T14:32:02.873+03:00Zionist Flag says____________
You guys are in the ...Zionist Flag says____________<br />You guys are in the minority but make all the noise. Ur all over orthodox blogs even though it's assur for u hypocrates to be on the computer Internet, spreading ur vicious lashon hara and slander.. Most of us orthodox don't believe anything you say and ur constant reference to rabbis who were opposed to Zionism means nothing in face of the reality. U hate Eretz Yisroel just like the Spies.<br /> From Judaism 101 ***************<br /><br /><br />************Most Jews today support the existence of the state of Israel, though not necessarily all of the policies of its government (as one would expect in any democracy). There are a small number of secular Jews who are anti-Zionist. There is also a very small group of right-wing Orthodox Jews who object to the existence of the state of Israel, maintaining that it is a sin for us to create a Jewish state when the messiah has not yet come. However, this viewpoint does not reflect the mainstream opinion of Orthodoxy. Most Orthodox Jews support the existence of the state of Israel as a homeland, even though it is not the theological state of Israel that will be brought about by the messiah.************* Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-86860426087296447802014-08-21T14:06:54.447+03:002014-08-21T14:06:54.447+03:00What do u mean with your remark about Rav Henkin? ...What do u mean with your remark about Rav Henkin? he vigorously opposed Rabbi Joel with harsh words. There's more what he said about him than what's posted here. Don't touch Rav Henkin, ur too small .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-57236974707555181382014-08-21T14:04:12.061+03:002014-08-21T14:04:12.061+03:00You're playing dumb. You see all the rabbonim ...You're playing dumb. You see all the rabbonim who disagree with you and u pretend they don't count as part of mesorah. Their Torah is as nitzvhius as the opposition. The Torah hakdosha allows for halacha to be interpreted as needed if it's based on Torah hakdosha. Otherwise you wouldn't see so many machlokeses in halacha. Ur way is old and stale. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-1815831740734950172014-08-21T12:45:02.605+03:002014-08-21T12:45:02.605+03:00The Torah hakdoshe doesnt change one iota, just be...The Torah hakdoshe doesnt change one iota, just because things change, Torah is nitzchios, kevodo shel hrav henkin bumkomo minuchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-52236095040121816192014-08-21T12:36:09.326+03:002014-08-21T12:36:09.326+03:00the ones you call gedolim who were against Zionist...the ones you call gedolim who were against Zionists were not only wrong but caused Jews to be killed . Wake up to the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-23648105667263802402014-08-21T12:34:00.975+03:002014-08-21T12:34:00.975+03:00You're naïve because your rabbis were wrong in...You're naïve because your rabbis were wrong in their interpretation and it doesn't matter how mnay were there. Look at the other proofs shown on top that disagree with your rabbis. These were just as holy as your rabbis and we follow their holy mesorah as wish to follow your blind path. U could follow whoever you want but you're saying they were nothing, so you're holier than them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-39431428337518041122014-08-21T12:31:50.381+03:002014-08-21T12:31:50.381+03:00all the gedolim that were against the zionists, sa...all the gedolim that were against the zionists, said what they said, was because of their love to eretz yisroel, the kedusha of eretz yisroel, thereby fighting to preserve kedushas haaretz, the zionists dogma has nothing to do whith Torah umitzvos, kedusha vetaharaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-57258560391027480692014-08-21T12:22:01.749+03:002014-08-21T12:22:01.749+03:00The sholosh shevuos are all about 'shelo yaalu...The sholosh shevuos are all about 'shelo yaalu bechoma', meaning an organized Aliyah, therefore its totally irrelevant talking about many tzaddikim going to eretz yisroel to live their lives in eretz hakodesh mitoch evodas hakodesh. Nobody but nobody, lubavitsher rebbe included can be mechadesh new interpertations on mamrei chazal that were understood otherwise all thru the doros,(including the prior lubavitsh rebbe, see sefer tikkun olam). Changing yesodos that were holy all thru the ages, just to accomodate the 'enlighted' way of thinking, is what guided the 'maskilim' of all ages, & continues today by the Reform & coservative movements, just look at where they are today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-23941625955041283172014-08-20T14:43:24.145+03:002014-08-20T14:43:24.145+03:00Moran Harav Henkin ZT"L
Rav Henkin wrote...Moran Harav Henkin ZT"L<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Rav Henkin wrote the following in 1959 in response to the anti-Zionist position of the Satmar Rebbe and the Neturei Karta:<br /><br /><br />"I was shocked to read in Chomoteinu of Cheshvan 5719 the slanderous notion that we are required to give our lives (limsor nefesh) to frustrate and resist the efforts of the State of Israel in its struggle against those who would rise up against them. This was stated as a p'sak din based on what we learn that Israel is restricted from rebelling against the nations (Ketubot 111a). This opinion is clearly not in keeping with halacha [and which can result] in imminent dangers for millions of Jews....<br /><br /><br />"Now all the rabbis who were opposed to Zionism and the establishment of a state took up that position until the time that it was officially founded. Once the state was declared, anyone who plays into the hands of the nations of the world even where there is no imminent danger, is clearly a moseir and rodeif. ...to proclaim that anyone who aids the state is a rodeif, well such talk is the severest form of redifa.<br /><br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-73341463381838774892014-08-20T14:29:15.996+03:002014-08-20T14:29:15.996+03:00those who came to Eretz Yisrael and "violated...those who came to Eretz Yisrael and "violated" the Three Oaths (according to the Satmar Rebbe's opinion) were saved, and those who did not make Aliyah were the ones who were murdered! <br />___ Torat Harav AvinerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-18874970768265717542014-08-20T04:37:14.354+03:002014-08-20T04:37:14.354+03:00The "three oaths" is a bogus and phony ...<br /><br /><br /><br />The "three oaths" is a bogus and phony position against the establishment of the State. This is aggadata with no halachic rules whatsover. Rambam make no mention of these oaths and thus they are not relevant. He specifically writes that they are an allegory, or mashal in the epistle to Teiman. It's illogical to say that he meant it as halacha then omit it in Mishne Torah. The return to Eretz Yisrael is proof against it.<br /><br />YERUSHALMI<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-92126016296116957542014-08-20T04:20:04.869+03:002014-08-20T04:20:04.869+03:00Rashi explains the psukim of Shir Hashirim in conn...Rashi explains the psukim of Shir Hashirim in connection with the 3 oaths 1:5; 2:7; 3:5; 8:4 as being Israel speaking to the nations of the world (his opinion is supported by Sforno and Metzudas David)<br /> Nothing to do with oaths on Jewish people.Rashi doesn't mention it.<br />'O daughters of Jerusalem' might be also translated as, 'You nations in whose midst I dwell.' (Rashi)<br /> 'If you will wake or rouse the love until it pleases', <br /><br />Rashi understood it as to say: <br /><br />'If you will try to sway my Beloved's love for me by persuasion and incitement to abandon Him, while His love is still desirous of me',<br /> <br /> There are lots of interpretations<br /> therefore the ones who 'swear' by the oaths must understand that it's not an absolute. Creation of Israel proves that the oaths are no longer binding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-3782526596076834072014-08-20T04:04:41.660+03:002014-08-20T04:04:41.660+03:00The Three Oaths________________
The 16th Century ...The Three Oaths________________<br /><br />The 16th Century Kabbalist, Rabbi Chaim Vital expressed the view that the Three Oaths were only binding for the first thousand years of Exile.<br /><br />Maimonides’ Epistle to Yemen, he explicitly interprets the oaths metaphorically, and not literally. As it states there “Therefore he admonished and adjured them in metaphorical language (דרך המשל, lit. by way of metaphor) to desist.” Therefore, they maintain, that Maimonides did not consider them to be Halachically binding.[20]<br /><br />A member of the Haredi community, Rabbi Chaim Walkin points out in his book, Da'at Chaim, that Maimonides discussed the Three Oaths only in the Epistle to Yemen, but not in his Halachic work, the Mishne Torah. R. Walkin postulates that this is due to the fact that while Maimonides saw these oaths as important, he did not consider them to be legally binding as Halacha, only that they serve as “warnings that these actions would be unsuccessful.”[21]<br />The Three Oaths are an Aggadic Midrash, and therefore they are not Halakhically obligatory (Aggadic Midrashim, as opposed to Halachic Midrashim are not traditionally understood as a valid source for Halacha). Accordingly, Maimonides' Mishne Torah, the Arba'ah Turim, the Shulchan Aruch, and other halachic sources do not cite the Three Oaths or rule accordingly. They are not found there at all.<br /><br />the Balfour Declaration, San Remo conference, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181, and the League of Nations-issued Mandate for Palestine plan of July 24, 1922 is understood as representing permission and approval from the nations of the world. Accordingly, the Jewish people cannot be considered to have rebelled against the nations. This was the opinion of Rabbi Meir Simcha of Dvinsk regarding the Balfour Declaration.<br />The Three Oaths are an Aggadic Midrash, and therefore they are not Halakhically obligatory (Aggadic Midrashim, as opposed to Halachic Midrashim are not traditionally understood as a valid source for Halacha). <br /><br />The author of the "Hafla'ah" maintains that the oaths only apply to those who are in the exile of Bavel, and not in other lands.<br /><br />The Gra writes that the oath applies only to building the Beit Hamikdash, not to entering Eretz Yisrael.<br /><br /> Elsewhere in the Gemara there are other, conflicting, sources. Furthermore, the Gemara regarding the "Three Oaths" is aggada, and we do not decide halacha based on aggada.<br /><br />The Gemara in Sanhedrin (98a) says that when Eretz Yisrael gives forth fruit abundantly, it is a sure sign that the redemption is coming. Eretz Yisrael, in the time of the Zionist movement, began blooming and giving forth fruits unlike any previous time since the destruction of the land. This sign of redemption showed that the oath was no longer in effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-33178243512940901102014-08-19T23:17:06.134+03:002014-08-19T23:17:06.134+03:003:52 written by Derby. Must be the Malaga that I&#...3:52 written by Derby. Must be the Malaga that I'm being forced to taste so I'm forgetful sometimes. Cheers...<br /><br />Why the back and forth? <br />1... Bnai Efraim was explained above and the Malaga groupies keep regurgitating and maale geyru'ing it ad nauseum.<br /><br />2.... Enough of the shvuos please... They d-0 n-o-t a-p-p-l-y . Do NOT...Which part of that don't you guys understand? Another maaleh gey recycled agaddeteh... Put on your glasses.... Israel is here.. !!!!! Shvuos, even if they once did, do not apply.... Hashem worked through the modern day Koreshes to grant Jews a legal piece of land as their homeland... Hello ??!!<br /><br /> Stop rebelling against the will of the Almighty using Toirelech shelo lishmuh.This is the beginning of the geulah.. By the way, the Vilna Gaon's son Avrohom , writes in Tehillim 121... That first there will be a kibbutz in EY before Moshiach. Moshiach will then be appointed the head but that Hashem Himself will do the geulah.. D'Yez hear..??? Hashem bichvodo uvatzmoh will slowly begin the geulah and kibbutz galios, not Moshiach...... No shvuos here, boyz.... Check it out yourselves.... That agrees with the Radak and Ramban to name a few... No shvuos..... Your cd is cracked... Keeps playing the word "shvuos" over and over again. Move the needle already or whatever it is...<br /> You DO NOT have a monopoly on the truth...History is being played out far different than what you think, or what I once though as a bochur years ago.<br />No more Malaga... No more robot shuckling...<br /><br />Derby, must... must... go on an errand.. Can't sit here and argue with the nonbelieving kofrim... Too-de-loo.!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-91392320487540457912014-08-19T22:52:38.456+03:002014-08-19T22:52:38.456+03:00Bnai Efraim left Egypt before a specific exact ti...Bnai Efraim left Egypt before a specific exact time for geulah.They were not successful.<br /> Our galus on the other hand has no timeline for its end and Medinat Yisrael WAS successful. Apples and oranges as usual.<br /> Te gemarah bases the oaths on psukim from Shir Hashirim and most commentators on the spot ( u can look it up) ignore the mention of the oaths. There's no proof whatsoever that it happened in Shlomo's or any other time in some kind of mass gathering or through any navi.You're making it up as u go along. You mention midrashim and you can NOT derive actual happenings from them. Mesichte Sofrim mention how many animals were eaten by Avrohom, Elazar's unbelievable height, other places say how tall Moshe was and these are not to be taken literally, says the Maharal.Even the heilige Art Scroll writes about sensational events recorded by Chazal that they are not meant literal.Check Mesichte Sanhedrin at the end for some examples.<br /> Another example is the midrash that Lavon was Bilaam who would have been 400 years old and the Torah says that he was killed in his 30s. No commentator takes that literally.<br />Midrashim are rarely to be taken literally, they're lessons disguised as stories as was the custom of the time. Another disturbing fact is that very few midrashim have a provenance of authorship, nobody is sure who wrote many and maybe most them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-17435243707802470902014-08-19T22:22:42.109+03:002014-08-19T22:22:42.109+03:002:59
You are the one that is doing the insulting.....2:59<br />You are the one that is doing the insulting....<br />insulting the Gedoilei Hador that say that the Sholosh Shevuois is irrelevant!<br />In Shir Hashirim? Where?<br />Didn't the Chazal want to throw out the whole sefer until R' Akivah said that Shir Hashirim is the holiest? And nowhere is it mentioned that Shir Hashirim is Neveeois... The whole Shir Hashirim is an allegory ... that's why Chazal had problems with the sefer.. because it reads as a book between lovers. <br />R' Akiva had to come along and say that it is a poem describing the relationship between Hashem and Bnei Yisroel...<br />You cannot pasken anything from Shir Hashirim!<br />Show another place in all of Shas that the Sholosh Sevuois is mentioned, I am waiting with bated breath.<br />I just did a search with Bar Ilan software, and nothing came up!<br />I wrote back a while ago about the Bnei Efraim ....<br />Bnei Efraim left Mitrayim .... so are you saying that the Sholosh Shevuois was still in Mitzrayim? Didn't you say that it was said to Shlomo?<br />The Mirdrash Rabba Anfd Tanchuma talk about the Bnei Efraim that left Egypt before Moshe Rabeinu was on the scene..<br />I have no clue to what you are blabbering about!<br />Dusiznieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-87868110299555561132014-08-19T21:59:27.112+03:002014-08-19T21:59:27.112+03:00To Dus iz nieas (BTW i have not insulted you once ...To Dus iz nieas (BTW i have not insulted you once there seams to be a pretty constant theme with you of insulting anyone you are arguing with. That is a little sad that you have to sink to such a level but whatever when you on the wrong side of an argument you might just have to insult the other side)<br />I guess by responding it make me one of the "Ama Ratzim " but anyway:<br />1) When did G-D make that oath?<br />In the time of Shlomo Hamelech<br />2) To Whom?<br />To shlomo to teach to Bnei Yisroel<br />3) Which Navie?<br />shlomo<br />4) Where was this oath made?<br />(These seem a little repetative) Yerushalaim<br />5) If it was made to a Navie, why isn't mentioned in the entire Tanach?<br />It is. Shir Hashirim<br />6) If this was a Halacha L'Moshe M'sinai, why doesn't it say so.<br />I didnt say its halacha lmoshe misinai. <br />7) why isn't this oath mentioned in the Yerushalmie, Midrash rabba, Midrash Tanchumah, Sifri, Safru, Mechiltah?<br /><br />It is. Read medrash rabba on shir hashirim and medrash rabba and tanchuma and there mefarshin on the pshat on Bnei Efraim getting killed. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-73607462922992016292014-08-19T20:48:45.422+03:002014-08-19T20:48:45.422+03:00To Srulic
I will post it tomorrow
To 3:08
I'll...To Srulic<br />I will post it tomorrow<br />To 3:08<br />I'll admit that I'm not familiar with the Agerres Teiman<br />But I'm very familiar with the Ramban, that paskens l"halacha that Yishuv Eretz Yisroel is a Mitzva B'zman Hazeh! And he questions whether Mitzvos done in Chutz L'eretz is even valid!<br />So now let's hear from the guys saying that the Ramban was a shaygetz since he didn't hold from the irrelevant Satmar Shitah!Dusiznieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-57430241713257249272014-08-19T20:01:20.370+03:002014-08-19T20:01:20.370+03:00The Paskudnyak said;
As everybody knows , an rav&...The Paskudnyak said;<br /><br />As everybody knows , an rav's psak for an individual or even specific group cannot be used to necessarily pasken for anybody else especially when it's hundreds of years old. The Igeres Tayman is such a case. An honest posek doesn't use , of all things, a letter psak centuries old to pasken for a tzibbur hundreds of years later in totally different situations. In every which way, the Rambam didn't pasken there at all. Read the letter and you'll see why. They are grasping for straws and it's not kosher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-35569117135599021712014-08-19T19:42:51.305+03:002014-08-19T19:42:51.305+03:00I'm waiting for the story with the lubavitcher...I'm waiting for the story with the lubavitcher rebbe, please don't forget to post.<br />Thankssrulychttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02768161091393385008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-63527660978680860452014-08-19T19:38:05.645+03:002014-08-19T19:38:05.645+03:00Anon 10:35,
No major posek brings the 3 oaths as ...Anon 10:35,<br /> No major posek brings the 3 oaths as halacha. Not the Rambam, Tur, Mordechai, Chinuch, Rosh, Ramban or any other prominent one.<br /> This is the first time that a letter to a community is considered halacha by you and your ilk. This is not the mesorah way for paskening anything. Even if you bring proof of some who consideres the letter to teiman halacha, it certainly doesn't apply to all situations, least of all to contemporary times. It's such a stretch as not to be considered serious. The responses above already well explained the oaths but to add one more,no prohibition of any oath was violated the way they were written. No fair minded talmid chacham today thinks that they apply anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-40968035749304961162014-08-19T18:52:01.053+03:002014-08-19T18:52:01.053+03:00Comment 11:49 posted by the Derby...I sign what I ...Comment 11:49 posted by the Derby...I sign what I write but missed this one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-84176169451551503472014-08-19T18:49:05.928+03:002014-08-19T18:49:05.928+03:00As a an older gentleman in my shul, a big talmid c...As a an older gentleman in my shul, a big talmid chahham one told me:<br /> The shvuos never happened in real time. No Am Yisroel was assembled at any mountain at any time to accept shvuos. That's why it's an aggadeteh, like a midrash to be understood on a deeper level.<br />As I posted earlier, Holocaust negates every single shvuah in any case. You guys... have some heart and be happy for your brothers and sisters who finally found a home in Eretz Yisroel. Have you no hearts??? Obsessing over shvuos?????/ You're all insane... as Joan Rivers said... Insane..... <br /> Don't you know that Yerusahalayim was destroyed because batei dinin paskened and ruled without mercy? So even on an improbable scenario that you're right... don't you think it's time to pasken with heart????/ What's wrong with you?????/ Iggeret Teiman from almost 1,000 yers ago they want to make into a halcha... You're insane...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com