tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post6320160421978294100..comments2024-03-29T00:44:58.220+02:00Comments on DUS IZ NIES !! Rare View...: Satmar Perfidy (Part 2)Dusiznieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-63940215081809128492018-01-22T23:30:31.050+02:002018-01-22T23:30:31.050+02:00I don't believe the Satmar Rebbe was guilt rid...I don't believe the Satmar Rebbe was guilt ridden at all. I think he stayed consistent with his beliefs throughout his life and I commend and respect him for having the guts to stand up staunchly and proudly for his unpopular beliefs.We should all take a lesson from that whether or not we agree with him. If you are foolish enough to believe that the US government, or large US industries are incapable of pulling off massive hoaxes with projects that hundreds of thousands of people are working on than you are just plain gullible. Just remember the term "conspiracy theory" was invented by the CIA in the 1960s in order to knock away and deflect people questioning the official Warren commission report into the assassination of JFK. It is just such a naivete of the evil that a government could be capable of that lulled European Jewry into complacency in the face of the Nazi onslaught.Eli Wiesel has written about how people who escaped and came back to warn about the gas chambers were not believed. Sometimes it is wise to be a "conspiracy theorist". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-6403270018667167542018-01-22T17:18:01.730+02:002018-01-22T17:18:01.730+02:009:12
Anyone that really believes that the Zionists...9:12<br />Anyone that really believes that the Zionists caused the Holocaust is a heretic, and that's not my opinion, it was the opinion of the Kloizenberger Rebbe the nephew of the Satmar Rebbe, who the Satmar Rebbe despised .... The Kloizenberger said many times that "no one knows why the Ribbono Shel Oilim brought this Gezirah, and anyone who says that they know, are "koifrim" and liars"<br /><br />Why did the Satmar despise his own nephew ... for many reasons amongst them because after the war the Kloizenberger supported the Zionist State.<br /><br />As far as your contention about the "Midrash which states that 2/3 of the Jews in Egypt were killed during the plague of darkness" <br />I'm glad you brought that up .... they died because they refused to make "Aliyah" and therefore they are dead in this world as well as the next and will never wake up even for Techyas Hameisim....as opposed to Shevet Efraim that were killed because they left Egypt early, they will wake up for Techiyas Hameiseim because ... yes, they made a mistake with their calculation of the Geulah but nevertheless they at least wanted to go and make "Aliyah" <br /><br />As far as your silly comment that <br />"as the Moon landing being a hoax, the Satmer Rebbe was not alone in that contention. There are many highly intelligent people around today who believe it was a hoax."<br /><br />I know very "intelligent" people that deny that there was a Holocaust and I know a lot of "intelligent" that believe that the Twin Towers were never destroyed and I know other "intelligent" people that say the Zionist did that! <br />And I knew an "intelligent" person who believed foolishly that the Zionists caused the destruction of the 6 million innocent women and children.<br />You can visit any Barnes & Noble Store and see shelves of conspiracy theories.<br /><br />Do you know how many people worked on the Moon Landing????<br />400,000 ....so are you telling me that from those 400,000 people and if you count their wives and children that would be about 3 million .... that everyone of those kept that secret that they "never landed on the moon?" <br />Don't you think that at least one person of those 3 million would say ...."hey that never happened"?<br /><br />The Rebbe was fed his information from Yossel Ashkanazi, who couldn't speak a word English and who got his info from WEVD ....the Rebbe also got his information from a bunch of political ignoramuses ...<br /><br />The Rebbe was a very naive guy who in his own admission in a 1967 drosho said that he is not a "baal ruach ha'kodesh" and I'll take his word on that ... he was also guilt ridden about his very bad advise to his chassidim to stay in Europe, just to get slaughtered like sheep .... and was guilt ridden for negotiating with Zionists for a seat on the Kastner Train .....<br /><br />Dusiznieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-3825486478905260152018-01-22T16:12:58.112+02:002018-01-22T16:12:58.112+02:00The only common denominator I see between the Nazi...The only common denominator I see between the Nazis,the Crusades,and the Russian Pogroms is that Gentiles often despise Jews to the extant that they are motivated to murder them. That does not weaken the Satmer Rebbes argument that Zionism caused the Holocaust and as I explained above there is evidence for this argument from the writings of the Nazis Yimoch Shemom. As far as the Theological problem of Theodicy, that is another issue entirely but I would direct your attention to the Midrash which states that 2/3 of the Jews in Egypt were killed during the plague of darkness. So the concept of large portions of our people hood being wiped out by G-d is something that is part of our history since the beginning.<br />As far as the Moon landing being a hoax, the Satmer Rebbe was not alone in that contention. There are many highly intelligent people around today who believe it was a hoax. In fact there was a movie back in the 1970s called Capricorn one which centered around just such a hoax about a fictional trip to Mars. Personally I do not believe it was a hoax because I do not think the engineering required to pull it off was so outlandish. However at the same time I would not put it past a very powerful government to be able to pull off such a hoax.Bringing it back to the Holocaust, we see the elaborate methods of trickery that the Nazis used to deceive their victims till the last moment such as installing shower heads in the gas chambers to trick people into thinking they were going into a shower.Or having victims write letters back to their relatives telling them they were fine before being gassed. Bringing it back to our times,We have an entire fake news propaganda industry that would have made Goebbels jealous.To determine the true interpretation of reality requires a great deal of critical thinking, questioning, and ultimately divine assistance. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-69782015484870053132018-01-19T16:59:57.405+02:002018-01-19T16:59:57.405+02:009:30
Lots of meaningless "word salad"
So...9:30<br />Lots of meaningless "word salad"<br />So what would would be the Satmar Rebbe's position about the Jews murdered and raped during the Russian pogroms?<br /><br />What would be the Satmar Rebbe's position about the Jews murdered during the Crusades?<br /><br />If Im not mistaken that was before the Zionists were around ....<br /><br />The Satmar Rebbe's position was a necessary therapeutic exercise for his guilt of<br /><br />#1 Wrongly advising his Chassidim not to emigrate to the then Palestine and to the USA, thereby causing the deaths of thousands of needless deaths<br /><br />#2 Not negotiating with the Zionists in Romania to save over 500 children but then decided to negotiate with the Zionists when it came to save himself and get his seat on the Zionist Kastner Train ...<br /><br />The Satmar Rebbe's view was not as you put it "his world view based on the the real world facts on the ground "<br />His View was totally distorted ...and I'll give you some prime examples<br />"The Rebbe always said that the "Ribbono Shel Oilom" was behind the murder of the 6 million Jews ....for whatever reason ....<br />but in June 1967 he said in a Shaolosh Seudois Toirelel in reference to the 6 day war .... that the victorious war by the Israelis and the miracles were all from Satan ... or as he put it the "Samch Mem"<br /><br />So according to this bizarre reasoning ... when it comes to murdering Jews, G-D himself does that<br />but when it comes to saving Jewish lives ... then G-d sends Satan the "samach Mem"<br /><br />Makes a load of sense...!!!<br /><br />The Rebbe also predicted in 1957 and then reiterated this twisted prediction in 1967 that there would be no frum Torah institutions in the State of Israel in 20 years ...<br />The Satmar Rebbe also insisted that the Americans never reached the moon and it was all a Hollywood production ...!!!Dusiznieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-25360093454632009892018-01-19T16:30:46.055+02:002018-01-19T16:30:46.055+02:00Insulting me by calling me names does not change t...Insulting me by calling me names does not change the facts. My contention is that hitler and the nazis were motivated in their hatred for the Jews due to their belief that Jewish German political leaders in the Weimar Republic had capitulated in WW1 and that this was due to machinations of leading powerful international Jewish business leaders like the Rothchilds and that it was all related to the Balfour declaration. The Satmer Rebbe blamed the Holocaust on Zionism. I believe his reasoning was mostly spiritual based on his interpretation of Maamarei Chazal regarding the 3 Oaths.However I suspect he also developed his world view based on the the real world facts on the ground and in this respect he had a valid point. Just because you are happy with the present situation of having a thriving reborn Jewish state of Israel does not make the Satmer rebbes allegations go away. Perhaps the question should be phrased differently. If you could reverse the past by trading the creation of the state of Israel in order that the 6 million Kedoshim could be spared,would you? Or would you say it was a neccasary sacrifice? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-33404051751089572052018-01-17T23:24:08.193+02:002018-01-17T23:24:08.193+02:00You're writing a whole megillah about what a m...You're writing a whole megillah about what a mentally twisted maniac who believed in racial superiority and other utter nonsense wrote.<br /> You might as well write about other educated meshugoim in mental wards.<br /> You're a sick dude. You really think you convince anybody except for mentally unstable Jews like yourself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-54028451024426317462018-01-17T23:16:48.044+02:002018-01-17T23:16:48.044+02:00So let's get this straight.
Nazi and anti-Sem...So let's get this straight.<br /> Nazi and anti-Semitic hate and murder have nothing to do because we're an AMM Hashem, or that we have the Torah or Aysov Soneh liyakov or Talmud study , but because of Zionism. They murder us for 22000 years and now in WWII it's only because of Zionsism.<br /> You may a be a psycho but you can't be that stupid to believe that yourself , no matter how many sentences you vomit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-46358475271516280512018-01-17T23:09:21.892+02:002018-01-17T23:09:21.892+02:00**He accused German Zionists of having betrayed Ge...**He accused German Zionists of having betrayed Germany during the war by supporting Britain’s Balfour Declaration and pro-Zionist policies and charged that they had actively worked for a German defeat and the Versailles settlement to obtain a Jewish National Home in Palestine. He went on to assert that the interests of Zionism were first and foremost those of world Jewry,**<br /><br />and this guy wants people to believe it, Zionists in Germany numbered maybe 5,000, so how in the world can they undermine Germany you mindless ass hole ? German Jews were the most loyal to Germany and NEVER wanted to leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-23324375576595949582018-01-17T23:03:47.204+02:002018-01-17T23:03:47.204+02:00******Therefore the Satmer Rebbe had a valid point...******Therefore the Satmer Rebbe had a valid point in blaming the Holocaust on Zionism. He did not make up this claim ****<br /><br /> Of course not. He believed our murderers just like you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-72092526671519007202018-01-17T23:01:45.991+02:002018-01-17T23:01:45.991+02:001,59%%%%,
You got your stuff from lying antizioni...1,59%%%%,<br /> You got your stuff from lying antizionists websites. and you also pulled stuff out of context as they all do, and there's NO record of Rosenberg saying the things you say. even though its in your "book."<br />Here's what Rosenberg actually r said_________________<br /><br />Alfred Rosenberg, the chief ideologue of the Nazi party, writing: "Zionism must be vigorously supported so that a certain number of German Jews is transported annually to Pales- tine or at least made to leave the country.".<br /><br /> The Jewish Bolshevism, and became current after the 1917 October Revolution in Russia, featuring prominently in the propaganda of the anti-communist "White" forces during the Russian Civil War.<br /><br />The theory was later propagated by the Nazi Party and their American sympathizers.[3][4][5][6]<br /><br /> In fact, Nazis hated Russia because of communism and believed jews were its head. In fact, Jewish communists were mostly against Zionism and the largest Jewish org The Bund were Yiddishists who hated Zionists.<br /> In any case, Nazis believed in MYTHS of Jews and and to repaeat those myths by rabbis is insane . and you quoting Nazis is psycopathic . <br /><br />This is from helmreich book itself______<br /><br />In order to ensure its racial, ideological, and strategic interests, the Hitler regime actively supported the status quo in Palestine and the Middle East during the interwar period. This included the perpetuation of British imperial power in Palestine, the Jewish National Home (not an independent Jewish state) promised by the Balfour Declaration, and the rejection of Arab self-determination and independence.The Third Reich and the Palestine Questionis the first comprehensive study of German Palestine policy during the 1930s.<br /><br /> It was only later that Nazis were convinced that murdering Jews woild simply their problem.<br /> in any case, Nazis are dead and Zionists are one of the most advanced countries in the world. so who cares???????????????<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-24028850628879347272018-01-17T21:53:36.353+02:002018-01-17T21:53:36.353+02:001:59
Oh ... ok ... you have me now convinced ........1:59<br />Oh ... ok ... you have me now convinced .....<br />Hitler ym"s killed 6 million Jews because of the Zionists who had no State at the time, no Army at the time..<br />Oh Im now convinced .....😂😂Dusiznieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-13616263735897783052018-01-17T20:59:26.456+02:002018-01-17T20:59:26.456+02:00It seems Nazi Alfred Rosenberg wrote about is far ...It seems Nazi Alfred Rosenberg wrote about is far back as 1922. See below from Wikipedia. The Stab in the back terminology was well known and widespread in Germany, <br />This is described similarly by William Helmreich and Francis Nicosia. Helmreich noted that: "‘’Der staatsfeindliche Zionismus’’, published in 1922, was Rosenberg’s major contribution to the National Socialist position on Zionism. It represented in part an elaboration on ideas already expressed in articles in the ‘’Volkischer Beobachter’’ and in other published works, notably ‘’Die Spur.’’ The title provides the gist of a thesis that Rosenberg sought to convey to his readers: "The Zionist organization in Germany is nothing more than an organization that pursues a legalized undermining of the German state. He accused German Zionists of having betrayed Germany during the war by supporting Britain’s Balfour Declaration and pro-Zionist policies and charged that they had actively worked for a German defeat and the Versailles settlement to obtain a Jewish National Home in Palestine. He went on to assert that the interests of Zionism were first and foremost those of world Jewry, and by implication the international Jewish conspiracy."[12] which Nicosia described as: "Rosenberg argues that the Jews had planned the Great War in order to secure a state in Palestine. In other words, he suggested that they generated violence and war among the gentiles in order to secure their own, exclusively Jewish, interests. In fact, the title of one of those works, ‘’Der Staatsfeindliche Zionismus’’ (Zionism, the Enemy of the State), published in 1922, conveys the gist of Rosenberg’s approach to the question, an approach that Hitler had been taking in some of his speeches since 1920. Rosenberg writes: “The Zionist Organization in Germany is nothing more than an Organization that perpetrates the legal subversion of the German state.” He further accuses the Zionists of betraying Germany during World War I by supporting Great Britain and its Balfour Declaration, working for a German defeat and the implementation of the Balfour Declaration, supporting the Versailles settlement, and embracing the Jewish National Home in postwar, British-controlled Palestine."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-4562816684644862902018-01-17T20:37:05.518+02:002018-01-17T20:37:05.518+02:009;30
Such twisted logic. it's not farfetched ...9;30<br /> Such twisted logic. it's not farfetched to blame m,atzoh for anti-Semitism since THEY believe we bake with gentile blood. The Balfour declar had nothing to do with anything, Nazis never mentioned it. They DID believe that jews were behind Communism and banking and commerce, and 99.99% of these were not only not Zionists but ANTI ZIONIST. so what the hell are you talking about/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-26628649851259529662018-01-15T16:30:57.807+02:002018-01-15T16:30:57.807+02:00Look, the uncomfortable truth is that the Nazis be...Look, the uncomfortable truth is that the Nazis believed that Jews in the Weimar Republic and Jews who controlled the industries responsible for supplying the German military were responsible for the surrender of Germany in WW1. They believed that it was all part of an international Jewish conspiracy to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine. They clearly believed that it was a Jewish Zionist conspiracy to help Britain defeat Germany in exchange for the Balfour declaration. Lets assume for a moment that there was no Quid Pro Quo from the British to powerful financiers like the Rothchild's. That does not take away the fact that the Nazis believed there was such a deal. Therefore the Satmer Rebbe had a valid point in blaming the Holocaust on Zionism. He did not make up this claim - the Nazis did. Therefore I do not think it is fair to vilify the Satmer Rebbe because after the fact of WW2 we now have a state of Israel which we may feel proud and happy about.Telling people to shut up and stop questioning the history does not make the history go away. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-25083841687677365952018-01-14T21:13:23.682+02:002018-01-14T21:13:23.682+02:0012:32
I'm impressed that you are a "bokie...12:32<br />I'm impressed that you are a "bokie" in the book written by the murderer of over 6 million Jews ....<br />It isn't a "great stretch" for people who are sick in the head and twist history to fit their demented view of the State of Israel ....<br />But for people who have studied the history of WW2 from reliable sources and not Satmar propaganda .. it is indeed a "great stretch."<br /><br />1:14 & 1:15<br />We don't deal here in fiction! For that you can read Der Goy, Der Bloteh or The Shturmer! Dusiznieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-83973952907259279172018-01-14T20:15:11.575+02:002018-01-14T20:15:11.575+02:00Now can you also discuss the book called Min Hamie...Now can you also discuss the book called Min HamietzerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-170356585819216002018-01-14T20:14:14.963+02:002018-01-14T20:14:14.963+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05580866872258624011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-44719570865197323122018-01-14T19:32:27.930+02:002018-01-14T19:32:27.930+02:00In his book mein kampf hitler referenced the stab ...In his book mein kampf hitler referenced the stab In the back surrender of ww1. This stab in the back appears to be a reference to jewish leaders in the ww1 german government.The Balfour declaration was given to members of the Rothchild family.It does not seem like a great stretch to conclude that the British secured the assistance of the Rothchilds in order to orchestrate a German surrender and in exchange granted the Balfour declaration.Even if this did not actually happen,it appears that hitler and many Germans believed it did happen. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-1795603627265245422018-01-14T18:04:37.148+02:002018-01-14T18:04:37.148+02:00@8:21, My dear fellow, I meant that you shouldn...@8:21, My dear fellow, I meant that you shouldn't use such bad language. No matter for what. AishKodeshhttp://achsameach.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-60048830381119117482018-01-14T15:21:46.052+02:002018-01-14T15:21:46.052+02:00Aish
What is wrong with calling a spade a spade.
I...Aish<br />What is wrong with calling a spade a spade.<br />It's all these equivocations and avoidance that allows the evil-doers to crack on with what they do.<br />CALL THEM OUT FOR WHAT THEY ARE - SHINE A LIGHT ON EVIL.<br /><br />(or you could do things the Chabad way and just lie through your teeth)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-14864351380811882822018-01-11T21:52:28.632+02:002018-01-11T21:52:28.632+02:00They don't wirship him, as a matter of fact. ...They don't wirship him, as a matter of fact. That's just a cynical view on things. You really shouldn't use such strong words, by the way, my dear Yid. It isn't good for you.AishKodeshhttp://achsameach.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-73555551384612025192018-01-11T19:24:35.579+02:002018-01-11T19:24:35.579+02:00No - he was NOT a gadol
Gedollim don't run awa...No - he was NOT a gadol<br />Gedollim don't run away leaving their own Chassidim to die. <br />He was a KATRAN...a little man. A coward. A man so inadequate that he hated those that rescued him.<br />The Teitlebaum gene pool needs a good shot of bleach.<br />As for his Shitah? Shit -ahhhh.<br />What about his voyage into comic-books? Vayoal Moshe is a hoot!! <br />Satmar has grown huge off of this parasite....who they seem to worship.<br />Why would they worship such a small-minded Kattan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-19029742380036942552018-01-11T17:35:53.513+02:002018-01-11T17:35:53.513+02:00Nevertheless, DIN, he was still a Gadol. You must...Nevertheless, DIN, he was still a Gadol. You must admit that -- no matter how much either of us disagree with his Shitah.AishKodeshhttp://achsameach.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-39004045648948463052018-01-11T16:55:45.546+02:002018-01-11T16:55:45.546+02:009,13,
The argument could be made that Aysuv hated...9,13, <br />The argument could be made that Aysuv hated Yakov because he stole the blessings. The argument could be made that Aysuv Sone leYakov, argument could be made that Romans hated Jews because of the Temple, argument could be made that Inquisition was born because Jews wrote nasty things against Christians, argument could be made that Stalin hated Jews because they were capitalists and lenin was a Jew, the argument could be made that you're a damn fool if you believe Satmir, and im analyzing unemotionally<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2633952367455665536.post-75500134915765751102018-01-11T16:53:43.241+02:002018-01-11T16:53:43.241+02:009:13
The Satmar Rebbe's posture was in fact &q...9:13<br />The Satmar Rebbe's posture was in fact "outlandish." Hitler's hatred of Jews was clearly written in his book Mein Kamph, and no where does he discuss the Balfour declaration. In fact throughout all Nazi trials be it at Nuremberg Germany, or at the Eichman Trial did the Balfour Declaration issue come up ...<br />Your statement that " was payback to powerful,wealthy,Jewish leaders for helping secure the surrender of Germany during WW1" makes absolutely no sense for many reasons .....<br />#1 The "powerful Jewish leaders were against a state ...<br />#2 Nowhere does it state anywhere in reference to the Balfour Declaration that it had anything to do with Germany ..<br />#3 Jews be they powerful or not had nothing to do with any negotiating the surrender of Germany in WW1<br />Friedrich Ebert surrendered Germany on November 11 1918. He surrendered due to the state Germany was in, what issues there were (political, social and economical issues). German soldiers refused to fight any longer<br />The Satmar blamed the Zionists because of his own guilt, because of his stubborn refusal to allow his Chassidim to emigrate to Palestine or the USA pre WW2, thereby sealing their fate ...<br />The Rebbe blamed everyone but himself .......He then managed to secure a seat on the Zionist Train to freedom ....leaving his chassidim to be murdered. When he arrived in Palestine after the war, Rumanian and Satmar survivors shunned him and he had to leave with shame to the USA. <br />In 1956 the Rebbe predicted that in 20 years there would be no Torah Institutions in Israel ...he repeated this bizarre prediction in 1967 ....... <br />Dusiznieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17159854165651441155noreply@blogger.com